The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: highhorse on May 12, 2014, 01:21:27 pm
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i would like to breed rare breed sheep or an unusual but in demand breed with a view to selling the youngsters on.
does anyone recommend a particular breed?
are they profitable?
any advice/suggestions appreciated :-)
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I would say that the Primitives are unlikely to be profitable - no one breeder sells more than a few breeding stock, the rest going for meat, and even the best don't make a fortune. Some folk have found a niche supplying meat to restaurants, some of which will pay a good meat price.
I don't keep the other rare breeds, the downland types for example, but they seem to sell well at the sales.
There is little chance that you would be selling stock at top price until you've spent a number of years establishing your reputation.
I'll leave it up to others to fill in the blanks.
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sheep are so different i think you need to choose what character suits you, and also your land, and fencing.
for example. i personally dont like handling huge sheep, or ones that jump fences like deer, and as id like to learn to spin one day, a soft fleece is a plus. if you are working with them everyday, it helps to actually like them, whether its business or hobby.
have a look at the rbst website and see what you fancy, see what they sell for, what the demand is etc
sometimes rare breeds are so rare people dont know what they are so dont bid for them, and also cant source unrelated stock to breed pure.
i always like balwens but couldnt find a ram anywhere for the 2 girls i had.
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Its going to be hard to find a highly in demand rare sheep.... rare sheep are rare because well... there went out of demand...
Profit comes from keeping inputs low and outputs as high as you can to get a decent margin, lambing outside, feeding no cake, hardy ewes, cull for problems etc all help to keep costs low
Breed depends on land, and what you have to offer, also market, I have had a butcher contact me about buying all of my lambs, purely because he doesn't want lambs that have been fed cake! but your local butcher may just want fast growth and good conformation, so look up your target market!!
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I would forget the "profitable" bit. The answers above are spot on. Go for a breed you like the look of and suits your particular set up. Keeping a few sheep for a hobby will cost you if you do it properly and care for your animals. Also think carefully about the ram and what you can do with him when he's not working. Many people are reluctant to hire their rams out because of the risk of taking something nasty back to their flock. If you keep one he will need a companion - often a wether. Good luck!
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Highhorse ..... Slimjim has backed up what I just said on your calves thread. Don't think profit.
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Highhorse, if you're sold on the idea of rare breeds, try to get along to one of the rare breed sales (there are various of these depending on where you are). When I did this, I was able to get a good look at various rare breeds and see which I liked the look of. I also received some really good tips on what to look for when buying :thumbsup: .
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The top priced Ryeland EVER sold for £1000 guineas. And that was a gimmer from one of the very top breeders. Mainly, they go for slightly more than fat prices. My tup lambs are worth more as meat than for breeding.
Breeds like texel, beltex etc sell for ridiculous amounts but these are top breeders, who are part of the top breeders club.
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Help me out then somebody - how many pounds are there to the guinea? I was trying to look up auction sale prices recently, and it's awfy confusing for the uninitiated! ::)
Breeds like texel, beltex etc sell for ridiculous amounts but these are top breeders, who are part of the top breeders club.
Yes, the farm next to us has one of the top breeding flocks for Beltex. That's the primary reason I don't want to keep an agile rare breed tup - the consequences of him jumping the fence are too awful to contemplate!!
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A guinea is 21 shillings or £1.05 for those pretending to be too young to remember pre decimalisation.
Usually breeding stock is sold in guineas - the £1 goes to the seller and the 5p to the mart as commission.
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Remember to factor in all the kit you'll need, from buckets and foot shears to pour on and wormers, not forgetting the more expensive items like hurdles, something to transport them in .....
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Great, Thanks for the info Rosemary.
Thanks also for making me feel young - it's been a while! ;D
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Highhorse, if you're sold on the idea of rare breeds, try to get along to one of the rare breed sales
good advice in theory although iv found at thainstone it is often the crap unregistered ones that are sold there, all the best ones are sold privately often with a waiting list, if they are rare. though the good ones at the mart will often get a decent price if they are the better known breeds. it does give you a shop window though to see what you like. buying from a private breeder at leisure is a better investment.
dont do what we did in our first year - buy all the cheap ones and wonder why they had no teeth or dropped dead.
i remember buying a hebridean ram for a fiver once to be told by a farmer id been ripped off! he did drop
dead too. :roflanim: :roflanim:
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How many Groats in a Shilling?
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How many Groats in a Shilling?
now that's tricky. a groat was once worth 4 pence- meaning 3 groats to a shilling but then a groat became worth 1 shilling and eight pence meaning that there was 1.67 shillings to a groat or roughly 0.6 of a groat to a shilling- I thank you :excited:
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How many Groats in a Shilling?
I used to think groats were something you made thin gruel from.........
I think mites are the tiny ones as in 'the widow's mite'?
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How many Groats in a Shilling?
now that's tricky. a groat was once worth 4 pence- meaning 3 groats to a shilling but then a groat became worth 1 shilling and eight pence meaning that there was 1.67 shillings to a groat or roughly 0.6 of a groat to a shilling- I thank you :excited:
Finally Guineas make sense.
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Highhorse, if you're sold on the idea of rare breeds, try to get along to one of the rare breed sales
good advice in theory although iv found at thainstone it is often the crap unregistered ones that are sold there, all the best ones are sold privately often with a waiting list, if they are rare. though the good ones at the mart will often get a decent price if they are the better known breeds. it does give you a shop window though to see what you like. buying from a private breeder at leisure is a better investment.
dont do what we did in our first year - buy all the cheap ones and wonder why they had no teeth or dropped dead.
i remember buying a hebridean ram for a fiver once to be told by a farmer id been ripped off! he did drop
dead too. :roflanim: :roflanim:
I think this is really good advice.
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Ah, I didn't say I'd BOUGHT any stock at the sales, just that I'd window shopped to get an idea of breeds I'd like, and what to look for ;) . For example, it was the first time somebody had really explained the basics to me like teeth, feet and udders, and what 'a leg at each corner' actually meant in practice. The sale in Stirling combines a pre-show with the sale, so if you do buy in the auction, there is at least the option of bidding on something with a rosette, knowing it is unlikely to be junk. (And, being a little bit devious, if somebody has entered a pen of really good sheep, you can always avoid overbidding by making contact privately and buying their sisters straight from the farm :innocent: ).