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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Copeson on May 04, 2014, 01:04:09 pm
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Hi we have got some Hep P for the cades and Kerry hill lambs also got some Rycoben to worm them we were just wondering about doing both together or does it make them poorly ? don't wont to lose anymore lambs :( What does everybody think ?
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I understand Hep P can be quite hard on them so, personally, I vaccinate and worm at separate times. I'm sure if you have to gather a large flock it is easier to treat in one go.
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I have never had any bother with the evil and highly damaging threat to sheep life that is Hep P. But I understand others have, I have always (and will continue to until I get problems) wormed and hep p'd at once if it was required and convenient
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Some of my lambs were noticeably under the weather after their first hep p vac, so I'd only ever give that and leave them 4 or 5 days to recover before worming.
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I had this same question last year and was advised to leave a week in between because Hep P is quite hard on lambs.
I did as was suggested and didn't have any problems.
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Great thank you for your replys think we will do them in stages :)
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How is it easier coping with a worm burden, whilst getting over the Hep P? Seems more sensible that you help them out by getting rid of their worms for them too?
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my lambs are all getting their 2nd hep p jab tomorrow and getting wormed and getting cliked!! Ewes are being shorn at the same time. Got to bring them all over from the other side of the farm and i am not doing that more than once!! I have a barren ewe ( :roflanim:) who is in lamb!! Bagged up but not looking close to lambing, obviously have no idea when she is due!! Is it safe to shear her tomorrow? She is very tame so i might get him to take off as much as possible stood up!
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How is it easier coping with a worm burden, whilst getting over the Hep P? Seems more sensible that you help them out by getting rid of their worms for them too?
By that logic (sane) wouldn't it be better to worm a week before vax? Indeed if memory serves (not as well as it used to:-() then levamisole and thiabendazole both have weak immunostimulant effects?
Worm burdens will relate to stocking density so that may well be why experiences vary?
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If the sheep are actually wormy (or flukey) then hopefully folks would worm (and/or fluke) first and then Heptavac a few days later. We did this this last time as a few were showing symptoms of fluke and we didn't think they'd manage a good response to the Heptavac if they were weakened by the fluke. Plus if there is a lot of fluke, then the flukicide itself can make them feel more poorly for a day or two while it does its work.
But if the regime is for routine worming and fluking, then I don't suppose it would matter which order it was done in. Or whether they were done together, come to that, in healthy worm- and fluke-free animals.
Normally we do do everything together, because it's better than risking that something intervenes and we don't get to do the second treatment as soon as we'd like. Plus on our farm, there is inevitable stress involved (on the sheep and us too!) in moving all the batches along the roads and to the farmstead, and back again, so it's usually better to do that once only.
But if, as did happen with a couple of batches last year, we feel they are under the weather, then we deal with that first and vaccinate when they are back to full health.
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By that logic (sane) wouldn't it be better to worm a week before vax?
that makes a lot of sense :thumbsup:
I do both together, because of the issue of gathering them. My wild and smart little Shetlands will no way come in again, only a week after having been given a nasty drench - the memory has to fade first :D
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I think most are underestimating the stress of gathering and handling and over estimating the stress of Hep P
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Heptavac p / wormed / vit drench / clik all done at the same time never noticed a problem afterwards .