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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: Goldcraig on April 03, 2014, 09:00:43 am
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We have 4 dogs left from this litter, 2 x B&W and 2 x L&W
Good strong pups. Sire Springer (KC Reg), Dam working Cocker (DLA Reg), both can be seen as we own them..
Pups have been wormed and will be ready to go mid April..300 GBP each...
Cracking dogs, (even though I do say so myself)
PM for more details, thanks
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Eye tests done?
KC website Quotes
Spaniel (Cocker)
Eye Testing - Annual, DNA test - prcd-PRA , Hip scoring, Eye Testing - Gonioscopy, DNA test - FN
Spaniel (English Springer) DNA test - PRA cord , Eye Testing - Annual , Hip scoring , DNA test - PFK, Eye Testing - Gonioscopy , DNA test - fuco ,
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Are you interested in one of the Pups? This was an accidental litter (it happens sometimes)...winds blew a door open where my Springer was kept while the bitch was in season and he caught her.....I had no intention of breeding these two dogs, therefore there are no tests completed....
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Fair enough but she could have been injected to prevent conception. You'll know next time.
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Gorgeous pups :love:
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If the springer is KC reg you could check the DNA results finder via the kc web site, it would give any test results his parents may of had (fingers crossed for hereditry clear) good for prospective owners to know - nobody wants to buy a pup that could go blind. Not sure what DLA is but may have the same thing.
Little cuties :love:
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Zak, Nic&C thanks......
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Sprockers are amazing wee dogs! Have to say that none of the farmers, gamekeepers etc who breed working dogs around us in hampshire get any tests done. My OH always has ESS or sprockers, (i am a lab girl!) all his dogs are farmbred, all go onto working shooting homes, never heard of any blindness etc. Good luck with you pups.
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3 Dogs left from this litter now....will post a video soon. Vet checked, wormed and ready to go !!
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Sprockers are amazing wee dogs! Have to say that none of the farmers, gamekeepers etc who breed working dogs around us in hampshire get any tests done. My OH always has ESS or sprockers, (i am a lab girl!) all his dogs are farmbred, all go onto working shooting homes, never heard of any blindness etc. Good luck with you pups.
No, of course you won't hear of any ailments - blindness, or otherwise - unless you personally know every pup that was bred . Only registered records can be kept by the KC. To check a dog put it's name into the KC website and all tests done will show up.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx (http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx)
Type in my dog's name and you'll see what I mean - Fosscott Alaine over Aberdon
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1 Liver and White boy left.......
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Sprockers are amazing wee dogs! Have to say that none of the farmers, gamekeepers etc who breed working dogs around us in hampshire get any tests done. My OH always has ESS or sprockers, (i am a lab girl!) all his dogs are farmbred, all go onto working shooting homes, never heard of any blindness etc. Good luck with you pups.
No, of course you won't hear of any ailments - blindness, or otherwise - unless you personally know every pup that was bred . Only registered records can be kept by the KC. To check a dog put it's name into the KC website and all tests done will show up.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx (http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx)
Type in my dog's name and you'll see what I mean - Fosscott Alaine over Aberdon
Appreciate where you are coming from but to be honest, the amount of KC registered pet dogs i know which have one problem or another compared to the very healthy and long-lived farm/shoot bred spaniels which are more often than not, not kc registered. Most litters are sold within the farming community and you see them all about for years. Really not a fan of the kennel club, although both my labs are kc reg. I know of brother and sister who mated by accident and their litter were kc reg! Line breeding to keep a certain line can only weaken a breed but seems to be accepted. If you look at the change in conformation of all breeds over the years, all really down to the kennel club, the welfare of the dog is what is suffering.
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This is why I have for long advocated breeding being properly licensed sand fully policed - have you seen how many dogs are put down because they have landed in dog wardens or dogs homes simply because they can't be re-homed - quite often because there just aren't enough homes to go round.
If you have a toffee hammer, even if it is the only tool in the toolbox, surely it is sensible to use it if you need to break something? You wouldn't use your head or your hands would you?
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Can you please advocate it on another post??
I placed this post with the view to selling Pups, not to determine the rights and wrongs of breeding....nor did I feel the need to explain how the litter occurred.
I am well aware of your ideas on breeding dogs and I must say I admire your tenacity on the subject.
I also appreciate that when I post on a public forum, I am open to all types of replies.
However, I must say, your comment telling me I could have jagged the dog I found pretty offensive, but you'll know the next time !!!
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However, I must say, your comment telling me I could have jagged the dog I found pretty offensive, but you'll know the next time !!!
Why? Any responsible dog owner should be aware that it is available. I'm glad you've sold your pups, but then you will know next time too won't you? :wave:
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However, I must say, your comment telling me I could have jagged the dog I found pretty offensive, but you'll know the next time !!!
Why? Any responsible dog owner should be aware that it is available. I'm glad you've sold your pups, but then you will know next time too won't you? :wave:
Have to agree with doganjo, lots of people don't realise you can get the mismate jab after an unplanned/ unwanted matting - better than potentially adding to the already dia rescue situation.
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I am / was, fully aware of the option to jag the bitch, however, it is my choice whether I do or not... I just felt it a little condescending that assumption was made that I did not know...In any case, the last pup went away to it's forever home this afternoon :excited:
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Fab, seen your adverts on Facebook selling them, well done.
Lots of people don't know about the jab, the more people made aware the better :)
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I didn't know you could jab animals until we got our cattle.
welldone with the pups. I grew up dog-sitting a springerxcocker bitch and we adored her.
:thumbsup:
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You said - "This was an accidental litter (it happens sometimes)...winds blew a door open where my Springer was kept while the bitch was in season and he caught her.....I had no intention of breeding these two dogs, therefore there are no tests completed...."
I assumed from that you didn't know of the Misalliance treatment that all vets will provide, since you had no intention of breeding. I was apparently mistaken, for which i apologise, but there is nothing above to convince me that you knew. Fair enough as I said, but I'd still have done health tests, at least on the sire. But that's just me, too principled for my own good sometimes. :eyelashes:
Glad your pups are apparently sound and healthy and that you've got good forever homes for them. Something we all strive for. :thumbsup:
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Firstly, these aren't sprockers.... They are SPROLLIES. This is important because they are the very very best breed in the world.
I wish I had a home for another sprollie now. They are just wonderful.
Dogango, I know you have strong views but other than my pedigree working cocker (who was a gift) I have always had long lived, farm bred cross breeds (or as they were called then.... mongrels)
I view them as genetically less risky as pedigrees that are bred from a more limited gene pool. The advantage of free and rampant promiscuity seems to be healthy pups.
If I bought a pedigree, I would worry about genetic abnormalities. If I bought a cross breed from a back yard breeder that was a result of two poor pedigrees mating, I would worry about genetic abnormalities.... If I bought a farm bred puppy off two healthy dogs I wouldn't give it a second thought.
It would go against my personal experience to say mongrels has as great a risk of genetic abnormality as pedigrees.... and I hardly ask the kennel club for a response on the issue as they monitor pedigrees.
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This is such silly reasoning I'm not even going to add much to this thread. I'm glad these crossbreeds or mongrels have found good homes and I hope none of them will develop eye or hip problems.
Just think of this -
Labradors have inherent hip dysplasia
Poodles have inherent hip dysplasia
Pick the wrong two to mate with that behind both of them - without knowing because you didn't test - and you have a crippled litter.
End of this as far as I am concerned - I have better things to do than give sound and knowledgeable information to those whose ears are closed.
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i thought a Sprollie was a springer x collie? and a Sprocker is a springer x cocker?
we have had experience of both long before those terms came about :roflanim: :roflanim:
did you get your new sprollie dog KC?