The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: ZaktheLad on March 25, 2014, 11:44:37 am
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I expect you are all aware, but just in case...
ANIMAL REPORTING AND MOVEMENTS SERVICE (ARAMS)
IMPORTANT CHANGES TO SHEEP & GOAT MOVEMENT REPORTING FROM APRIL 2014
? From April 2014 you will be able to access a free electronic
movement reporting service (ARAMS)
? New ARAMS 1 Movement Forms will replace the AML 1 Forms
? These new forms will go to South Western’s Milton Keynes office (address is on the new form) rather than your Local Authority
For more information please contact the ARAMS Farmers
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Oh wow this is all new to me ??? ??? ??? ???
Im going to have to look this up!!
Thankyou Emily!
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Me too.
Thank you.
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Note: it also applies to goats....
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Excludes Wales (for now). Not sure about Scotland?
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Paper reporting is still an option.
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Paper reporting is still an option but you will need the new forms. I have emailed the new office for some to be sent to me, but as yet have had no response. I think the new forms should be available at your local livestock market though.
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I hope it goes more smoothly than the eAML2 online pig movement forms. Everyone I know ended up having to phone the Helpline the first time they used it, mainly because they put in the correct information but the system didn't want to play. I'm taking a bunch into market tomorrow in the hope that by the time I next need to do it they'll have sorted out the problems.
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We had the new forms with an invoice and market report from our local livestock market.
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I had heard about it coming in soone, but when I asked my local abattoir, they had no idea about it.
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I've not had anything in about this so may not be Scotland.
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I've not had anything in about this so may not be Scotland.
No, I think we keep our forms as they are. I have no idea though how this is going to work if you buy stock in England... probably safer to take a Scottish form with you, complete and then send on to Dumfries.
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If its any help, shortly after the pig forms came in I bought some weaners for an old boy who knew nothing about the changes and so all he had to give me was the old paper form. I sent it off and the movement was duly processed and I just got a letter back slapping my wrists and asking me to use the new forms next time.
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We got it through the post today. Not had time to sit down and read it yet ::)
We will stick to the forms as electronic is a nightmare for us with the pigs broadband always seems to crash just before you send it :-\
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I expect you are all aware, but just in case...
Had the new guidance on tagging come through in the post from DEFRA today and it references it too.
The Q&A on http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/18/03/2014/143787/qampa-on-electronic-sheep-movement-rules.htm (http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/18/03/2014/143787/qampa-on-electronic-sheep-movement-rules.htm) are quite readable, and http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/10/03/2014/143675/farmers-urged-to-get-ready-for-eid-rule-change.htm (http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/10/03/2014/143675/farmers-urged-to-get-ready-for-eid-rule-change.htm) references those in the historic flock.
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It's only England according to the Defra book that came in post last week. There are changes on tagging rules as well. Slaughter lambs now need EID and tightening up on individual identification
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Oh heck. I'm so struggling with all the rules and regs for sheep (due to get our first ewes in a fortnight). I wish we'd gone with just having children instead, like everybody else - it all seems so much simpler! ???
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Oh heck. I'm so struggling with all the rules and regs for sheep (due to get our first ewes in a fortnight). I wish we'd gone with just having children instead, like everybody else - it all seems so much simpler! ???
I've just done aig movement on line and I do the cattle online, so I'm wondering if I should do the sheep on-line too. Had a look and think I might give them a ring this afternoon. There's some info in, from the abattoir but it's not complete for some reason.
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Oh heck. I'm so struggling with all the rules and regs for sheep (due to get our first ewes in a fortnight). I wish we'd gone with just having children instead, like everybody else - it all seems so much simpler! ???
Oh, I am definately glad I decided on the sheep!!
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What I don't understand is that if you have to set up the movement before you leave and print off 3 copies (1 for departure and 2 for haulier) what happens if you go to the shed and 2 of the 23 you sorted out yesterday evening have started limping so you decide not to take them. Do you then have to set up a new movement, or how do you alter the original one? Does someone phone you to ask what happened to the other 2? This isn't supposition - I saw my neighbour at market this morning and he'd intended to take in 20 cull ewes but couldn't find three of them in the fog! Much easier to simply change the total on the AML1 form.
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I wish we'd gone with just having children instead, like everybody else - it all seems so much simpler! ???
Yes, but eating children is frowned upon though.
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Not as cute either! :innocent:
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I wonder hwo this will work if I show my goats in England and wales?? but I reside in Scotland :raining: ???
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What I don't understand is that if you have to set up the movement before you leave and print off 3 copies (1 for departure and 2 for haulier) what happens if you go to the shed and 2 of the 23 you sorted out yesterday evening have started limping so you decide not to take them. Do you then have to set up a new movement, or how do you alter the original one? Does someone phone you to ask what happened to the other 2? This isn't supposition - I saw my neighbour at market this morning and he'd intended to take in 20 cull ewes but couldn't find three of them in the fog! Much easier to simply change the total on the AML1 form.
Or your printer is out of ink, or you are just plain scatty like me and forget forms until you're running out the door, grab a blank one and fill it in in the car.......these folk who plan such things live tidy, ordered, office-based lives!
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I wonder hwo this will work if I show my goats in England and wales?? but I reside in Scotland :raining: ???
I complete my Scottish forms and send them to SAMU on my return (one for outward and one for return journey). Have had no-one phoning me up and complain yet. As the animals are my responsibility while at the show, I think this is correct. Have done this for a few years now.
I have refused to do electronical forms, except for pigs, and I do that over the phone and take a paper copy. Because there are times when one of my goats isn't well enough (or I cannot catch a sheep or we are snowed in and I don't even get to go anywhere...) and the numbers change.