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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: Ladygrey on February 24, 2014, 04:57:13 pm
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Hi there :wave:
My puppy Tully is now 8 months old :) (time flies!!)
the last issues we were working on have been resolved and he is now an extremely friendly and confident (and dashing!) young man!
He adores other dogs and wants to pplay with every dog he see's :) although his best friend is a 5 month old Dachshund and he prefers smaller dogs!!
Recently his recall has gone from 100% to maybe 75% and if he see's another dog to play with or something to chase its basically 30%
How I do re-recall train him? he will never run out of sight and he is as good as gold the rest of the time, if he is running to greet a dog and I call him it will slow his approach (100mph flat out) but not much else until he has had a play!
He is so so so so full of beans and has got more energy then umm well any of our other dogs have ever had.
He is NOT toy or ball motivated (I got him as an older pup and I dont know how much they played with him) and he is NOT food motivated.... he will take a treat sometimes but he thinks its no big deal and most of the time will drop it.
He is chasing and catching animals motivated and biting the backs of my legs motivated.... and herding sheep and pigs motivated.... obviously none of these are good for recall treats....
He did help me catch a group of rams on the weekend by putting them in the hurdles which I was pleased with!! :thumbsup:
Here are some pics of the gruff gruff
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/Duckberry/February2014021_zps80241af1.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/Duckberry/February2014030_zps9591b6ed.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/Duckberry/February2014028_zpsbb97332b.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/Duckberry/February2014026_zps43fcec02.jpg)
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Got the same with my collie (year old) ... testing the boundaries ..... so back out came the long lead and gets tied up when I'm to busy to focus on her ..... its a teen phase which with some perseverance should grow out of.
Any other suggestions always welcome
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must be a teenage thing!!!!! :thinking:
naughty critters
Tully doesnt go out of sight... he is very good at staying close, its just when I want him closer he sometimes has to think about it first... I dont think I could have him on a long lead!! I would be tied up in two mins! he runs around in circles and plays with my other dog constantly!!
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He is a beauty, back to basic training for a bit. Avoid having him off the lead when there is a chance he will meet other dogs . Lots of praise when he comes back but do not put him back on his lead, let him go off again for a bit. The last thing you want to do is have him think that recall spoils his fun.
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I'd agree back to basics with the training. He is pushing his luck and ignoring you just like a typical teen ;D
Use VERY VERY nice treats and recall while he is running around with no other dogs or people about. Make your voice high and fun even run the opposite direction while calling When he gets to you give him the treat and excitedly praise him Something like a piece of chicken or liver etc often goes down nicely. Make it a small piece each time so you don't overdo it but he wants more so as soon as you shout again he should come back. Lots and lots of praise. Build up for a week or so like this. Then start every now and then not giving the treat but still most of the time use a treat. As the weeks go on, less times treats and more praise.
While doing the training don't try recalling if he has already spotted another dog. He is learning to ignore you. Wait until he is recalling very well every time you shout with no other distractions before you start applying it with distractions. You should, however, recall when he is already coming back to you after playing ;)
Most pups go through this stage a couple of times while adolescence. It will come back, just keep going back to basics at each adolescent stage.
He is very handsome :love: good luck with the training
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While doing the training don't try recalling if he has already spotted another dog. He is learning to ignore you. Wait until he is recalling very well every time you shout with no other distractions before you start applying it with distractions. You should, however, recall when he is already coming back to you after playing ;)
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He is very handsome :love:
and this too :)
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Can't really add to the good advice already posted, but he's gorgeous!
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He's beautiful - love the photo of him banking :)
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Thankyou everyone :)
I am going to go back to basics for a bit I think!! Mummyshaz your post is fantastic and I think I will have to go treat shopping to find something that is thrilling!!
I kept monkey on a lead this afternoon as he ran off after some pheasants for a bit :innocent:
Underneath his hair he has the body of a greyhound!! and he is not far off the speed! so when he runs to meet a dog it is split seconds and he is already there!
he is such a pickle!! he can do up and un do zips, open and close doors and he enjoys opening and closing the bin lid........
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Check out Susan garret's website it has many good tips for motivational training- also a fantastic book- when pigs fly by Jane Killion is great for creating a dog that wants to work for you.
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/brilliant-recalls-sign-up/ (http://susangarrettdogagility.com/brilliant-recalls-sign-up/)
http://www.clickerdogs.com/perfectrecall.htm (http://www.clickerdogs.com/perfectrecall.htm)
http://www.clickerdogs.com/createamotivatingtoy.htm (http://www.clickerdogs.com/createamotivatingtoy.htm)
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Thankyou :) those are some very good links
Tully has now started disappearing out of sight... apparently hot dog sausages are not nice to eat ::)
Cheese is not that nice either..... his kibble is ok but thats for dinner times....
Liver is nasty.....
Trying to figure out what tastes good for a collie.... :thinking: :thinking:
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Trying to figure out what tastes good for a collie.... :thinking: :thinking:
Food rewards are often not particularly irresistible to collies. Does he have a favourite toy? When training them to sheep, it's easy - good collie works sheep, bad collie back in car! They soon twig on ;)
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Trying to figure out what tastes good for a collie.... :thinking: :thinking:
Food rewards are often not particularly irresistible to collies. Does he have a favourite toy? When training them to sheep, it's easy - good collie works sheep, bad collie back in car! They soon twig on ;)
Sheep/horse poo
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Trying to figure out what tastes good for a collie.... :thinking: :thinking:
Food rewards are often not particularly irresistible to collies. Does he have a favourite toy? When training them to sheep, it's easy - good collie works sheep, bad collie back in car! They soon twig on ;)
Sheep/horse poo
:roflanim: Yup, probably right there Alistair! Fox poo even better! :D
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:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: hahaha yeah poo!!!!! great idea!!! I just need to go around with a bag and pick up some yummy looking droppings hahaha
yes he is extremely sheep and animal orientated, however I either have rams or pregnant ewes at the moment, so when it comes to the summer he will be trained on lambs, however he has already helped me out with the sheep when I ask him to as he isnt scared of being butted by a ram! he just runs round the back end and pushes them forwards!
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You've taken some great photos.
My border collies have all gone through stages like that. The best trick I found is taking them places they dont know eg woods with lots of different paths, call once then hide or change direction to keep them listening. Realising its their responsibilty to keep an eye on you not vice versa makes dog walking much easier. Sometimes you even need to drive off & park round the corner for a few minutes. Of course though some dogs just dont care....
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I have a trained spaniel, when the trainers got him he had zero interest in toys, but they needed him to want a ball so that he could be trained.
So they made him think that a tennis ball was the best thing ever. They removed all toys from him other than when being trained, then everyone in the room/area would act super over excited playing with the ball. basically four adults played catch, chased it as it rolled across the floor and shouted excitedly when we got to pick it up. He thought we were crazy to start with, but then tried hard to get at this great thing. If he beat us too the ball, lots of excited praise. Took a few half hour stints over two or three days and he's totally hooked for life, will do anything for a ball.
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That made me laugh, Steph Hen - I could see you all in my mind's eye, the dog watching bemusedly as these humans get overexcited over a round bouncy thing! :roflanim:
You'd never get my collie Dottie to have any interest in a ball, no matter how much you seemed to love it yourself. However, shimmy an empty plastic Coke bottle across the floor and she'd leave anything but sheep to chase and carry it ::)