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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: smiffy on August 23, 2009, 12:24:45 am
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I heard on the radio today that unleaded will be going up by 20p a litre. RAC claim its due to rising barrel prices.
This coincided with a documentary i watched a couple of days ago about world resources.
Falling water tables
http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=3068
http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch04_ss2.htm
Falling oil reserves
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3277825/Falling-oil-production-is-greater-threat-to-Britain-than-terrorism.html
All this combined with the new government grow your own schemes
http://www.rhs.org.uk/Learning/Publications/pubs/garden0509/newsgeneral.htm
http://sandbox.defra.gov.uk/food2030/
THEY ARE TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING!!!
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I think the only time most will take any notice, is when they go to fill the car with fuel and there is none !!!!! or when they go to the super market to buy all their ready meals and bread ...and the shelves are all empty !!! Till then they have the blinkers well and truly on ....I think that we will be living very different lives within the next 5 years or so ...( well hopefully mine will be much the same as it is now ) , I would hate to live in any town /city .
cheers
Russ
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Cuba could be leading the way in providing us with part of the answer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8213617.stm
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Hello - Russ is right - until it hits people's daily norms they will ignore the problem.
The trouble is, especially in the UK, the population is far too high for people to be able to do something about it, so looting, robbery, murder and so on will be the norm for people to survive - not a nice picture but it is the only scenario that can be seen.
Over the gates article on Cuba is really relevant, and although we complain here in Ireland because we have too much rain, our future might be catching it and selling it to other countries - we will never run out of water here.
We are also well under populated, I'm not saying we will escape problems, because all the city folk living in their so called "posh" apartments with no land will have to go out to look for food, and have no way of makingtheir own, so will probably migrate to looting in the countryside. It is a serious threat, and it probably will happen in the next five years.
People who have watched scientific predictions and "felt" or been "advised" of the future have been preparing themselves and buying the right plot to live on with the right resources (water, sun, wind, etc) for the last
fifteen years.
Some may say these people are mad, others that they are negative and are sad, at the end of the day, they will be able to feed themselves and their loved ones.
The ones that take everything for granted, will suddenly realise that they needed to do the same - too late!
The other thing to realise, is that you need friends, you need to help each other, get on with others and start swapping time for time, help for help, barter, swap food, make sure that you have friends that you can trust and that will be true friends when the chips are down, not fairweather friends. Community is probably the future for survival and for a good, health, way of living, that is fun and not a chore.
Julie
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The world seems to be going tits up at the moment ! everywhere you look insanity is kicking off . Our own government seems set to jab the entire population with an almost completely untested , poisonous vaccine , for a flu that has been allowed to spread round the world . The fuel problem has NOT gone away , it is bubbling away waiting to go pop !!!! Governments and big corporate companies are runaway trains doing whatever they want , with no regard for anybody .Mass movement of people has been allowed , this will be a huge problem in the next few years !!! The next thing to cause mayhem will be crop failure due to weather . We have already been so close to it a few times in the last ten years , but just managed to get by . It will only take ONE year for things to go down the cr*pper.
When is this likely to happen ? I would take a guess and say , while we are being hit by something such as swine flu !!!!! It never rains , but it pours !!! A combination of very little fuel at very high prices , bad weather causing huge crop failure , and many people either sick or dead from swine flu , or something else they release among us !!!
Are they expecting something to happen ? ... Why are they making it law to know where every single horse is . First by passport , and now by chip !!! Why does everyone (with land), in the UK have to fill in the forms stating exactly what you are growing on your land , how much land you have and EXACTLY where it is ? I send ALL forms back with a big black line through them ....
Something is going on !!! So many things just do not add up anymore . Government , Banks and companies just helping themselves to huge amounts of money , when they get caught they just carry on doing it ....the politicians are STILL thieving money from us , the Bankers are STILL paying themselves millions in bonuses, and the big companies are just grabbing every penny they can before it all goes tits up.... Happy days are here again la la la la la, la la la la la........
cheers
Russ
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The form filling to say what you were doing with you're land was so that people could get money in the form of grants and subsidies etc. There's one rebel here who didn't take the money and opted out.
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me too..... ;D
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and me!
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Nosey buggers eh ? ;D ;D ;D
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I was just talking with my mum today about world resources - what really has been annoying us for years is the constant flooding of Chinese crap we are supposed to buy, from tools like screwdrivers that bend when you use them to throwaway plastic toys in Poundshops etc. And all that s**t is not only produced from precious resources, it also uses up oil to bl... get here. Not to mention them ignoring EU safety regulations for toys, tons of that rubbish has to be binned - why do we buy this stuff, let them produce it for EU companies and why is trade with China - a system with no knowledge of the meaning of human rights- supported so persistently???
Enough of the rant - something positive to read - we can do something!
http://www.transitiontowns.org/
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Northfifduckling
it sounds great.............. but if we tried something like that round here they would think we were bonkers!!!
people arnt interested. its somewhere between the government will sort it, and the live for today attitude.
we all know about climate change, how many people do you know who care about it? some people make a small effort, but most think, what difference does it make if i change, when no one else is doing anything!! or there is no point in me conserving gas and electric when china and america pollute the earth.
why do we need so much packaging of food??? this alone frustrates me. we dont eat ready meals, BUT JUST LOOK AT THE PACKAGING ON THEM!! all going to landfill, cos its no use. why does a frozen meal in a plastic tray need a huge box aswell??
on a serious note; i am a bugger for looking in peoples shopping trollys at the supermarket, and when you see what cr*p people buy, they are poisoning themselves.
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They want to tag horses, make sure that because of bird flu you have to state how many hens you have, both animals that were not in the beef,pig,sheep tagging system for headage grants.
The Grants for farming are to make you give them information - no such thing as a free luch - remember!!!
The grants for buildings are the same thing, know all your finances, bank numbers, tax number, assets, builings and what you are using them for.
And then when the chips come down, they will declare a state emergency and get out the books to see where the rich people who did not plan futures and food can go and declare that your stuff belongs to them in this emergency - take it and leave you, the worker (as usual) with bu88er all left.
The answer - do not take grants, payouts or backanders and dont tell them what you have - its nothing to do with them - can you imagine if we asked them for the same information huh
Be careful, not paranoid - but awake, alive and secure- there all bent takers.
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Personally, i'm inclined to think that once they suck the last drop of oil out of the ground that some big American multinational, like Du Pont, will suddenly turn around and say ' Oh gee! Here's a sustainable form of energy that we've pioneered, but we're going to fleece you for it, just like we did with the oil ', and if they don't well f**k them all, when they realise that they can't eat dollars. If things go back to basics, and i mean BASICS, well bring it on. I know that our family can adapt and prevail. If I have to go around on a horse and cart, so be it. Just not looking forward to logging without a chainsaw....thank God I have four boys ;D ;D
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Grants for land are not on offer here, if they were I'd rip their hands off for it. At the end of the day, with all the forms we already fill in they know everything anyway. And if they didnt I know that my neighbour (who never ever leaves her house) would be able to tell them down to the last pig nut and loo roll what we have.