The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: EcoGypsy on October 01, 2013, 08:13:46 pm
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Does anyone knows where can I test my goats for brucellosis and how much does it cost?
Thank you :)
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The UK is brucellosis free and there is no tests required, unless you are (un)lucky enough to be random picked by DEFRA to do one of their few tests they have to submit annually to the EU to prove that the UK is still free of it. If they want you, they will phone and arrange for a ministry vet to come out and do it. Not nice for the goats if the vet isn't used to them...
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We were picked to have our sheep randomly tested this year. It wasn't bad except they want samples from 20 ewes so it took quite a long time. Even more fun (not) with goats. Unsurprisingly we got a letter to say they don't have brucellosis!
It's several decades since it was in the UK so there is no routine testing.
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thank you
its not the case, my herd will be shipped on the continent next year and some buyers requires tests. Well I think I will arrange tests over there then!
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Contact animal health at the council. They will be able to advise how to test export stock and have contacts etc.
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Defra's Export Dept is in Carlisle.................they have all the up to date requirements for individual countries in Europe.
Most are the same......BUT......your stock must be certified Scrapie free and have been on some sort of
monitoring scheme for at least 3 years, but in some cases it is 7years. If they are not, and they cant be blood tested, you wont be allowed to export them. Your Vet wont be able to sign the certicate.
I export regularly to Europe and know the detailed requirements very well.
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The contact number you need is:
01228 403600.....option 3
This is the export office who will have the detailed info you need. Your goats will also need to be tested for CAE and hold a current certificate.
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I had a little girl turn up about doing tests, I pointed to the ferels and told her to help herself...funny they lost interest after that ;D
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thank you very much for that, well this is madness if they had to be monitored for 3 to 7 years! I'll give them a ring to find out, as sounds completely ridiciulous if you can bring dogs to this country without quarantine?... Anyway I will be taking them as mine, to my smallholding abroad and they will be sold from there.
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Basically for goats to leave UK.......they have to have a TRACES health certificate signed by a Vet 24hrs before travel. Without this paperwork, the following can happen:-
You can be stopped at the point of exit........the Port Authority can request a Vet to check the papers.
Alternatively, you arrive across the channel....the port authority refuse to allow you to land and return you to UK. I know somebody this has happened to.
The Vet cannot sign the papers without the evidence of being Scrapie free, CAE negative etc.
It is a minefield........I am the first to admit this and I have been exporting for the last 30 years.
It all about proving the animals you take abroad are not carrying disease.
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I'm exporting horses and I think it will be similar with paperwork, exluding the signature not allowing for slaughter! Ill find out with defra what is exactly needed.
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have you looked on the defra web site iirc there have been some changes brought in this year.
its not a straightforward path to go down years of testing and paperwork come into play.
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Yes I looked there but seems like within EU it shouldn't be much problem. I'll ring them and find out.
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The very best of luck with your optimism.....................as an experienced exporter, I can say you will have a rocky road.
The Scrapie & CAE is the problem......nothing else......oh yes and going out from the correct Port. Not all Ports will accept farm livestock, horses yes because they are not deemed to be livestock !!!! They are bloodstock . I have been down this road only last year when I sent some goats to Ireland from Devon.
The Export rules changed for farm livestock on July 1st 2013 which has made life very difficult indeed.
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It's not very easy with horses also if they're under 14hh! I this case you need special certificate of the value or horse registered with breeding society.
Waiting for a call back from one of export departament's vets. I think the rules are vary depending on destination country.
We got Ramsgate port here, but will check with ferry line I'm normally using in Dover as well.
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It is a standard TRACES certificate to all European destinations............I've exported to Germany France Holland & Belgium.
But in all cases the goats MUST be Scrapie free & certified free for at least the last three years, you must not have bought in any stock from a non certified free herd.........they will check your movement book. Europe is Scrapie free which is why there is such a panic about it. They must also be CAE neg with a current certificate if over 12 mths old. The form which the Vet fills in the day before is several pages with additional questions that have to be answered.
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Got all info I needed and it doesn't look as bad.
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What would one do if the current owner had only had the goats for a year but wanted to move to france ,? I take it this would be impossible untill ownership had gone over 3 years with all the correct monitoring !
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Yes that's right...................unless it can be proved that the animals came from an approved monitored herd and had not been in contact with any other goats.
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What would one do if the current owner had only had the goats for a year but wanted to move to france ,? I take it this would be impossible untill ownership had gone over 3 years with all the correct monitoring !
I would have thought that UNLESS the goats are of an incredible standard it is not worth the effort and costs to export your own herd. Much better to sell and start afresh with goats that are accustomed to the locality...
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That would be the sensible option....................but we all do things that are not sensible. Sadly it is possible in this case that the export may not be allowed given the information available.
They are so hot on things being exactly right................exporting farm livestock is completely different to pets and horses..............and no the goats cannot be reclassified as pets !!!!!!!
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Well in my case, the goat bred I keep is completely unknown in the country where we are moving the smallholding to, and it is absolutely impossible to replace and build a new herd.
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I wish you the best of luck with your venture.................but as I said before, I think you will experiemce difficulties beyond your wildest dream.
The breed is nothing to do with anything in this situation..............it is straight forward satisfying the very stringent health regulations. I nave bred goats for 40 years & exported to Europe & beyond since 1980, and it has got progressively more difficult. It is no longer a simple matter of signing declarartions..............it is all about disease and a proven beyond all doubt of a disease free status.
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As I said a few posts before, spoke to vets in export dept and it doesn't look as bad. Maybe because I'm moving within premies, not selling. Maybe because of the rules of the country we are moving to. I don't need to know as long as I can do it.