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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: Shropshirelass on July 17, 2013, 01:09:30 am
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Sorry if this offends anyone but I totally agree with the following picture & am just fed up of seeing hundreds of ads for these so-called new breeds of dogs such as cockerpoos, sprockers & labradoodles which sell for huge amounts of money when their mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels just the morals behind these new breeds, personally I wouldn't own a mongrel or rescue dog by choice. But see below & hope it doesn't offend x
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I suppose it meets demand. If people want them and are prepared to pay for them........
I can see an argument for a Sprocker, i always did think that there was a 'spaniel gap' between the two parent breeds. Also the 'oodles' I gather don't shed hair, so that suits some.
Why wouldn't you own a mongrel or a rescue dog? I have to say some of the best dogs I've ever had have been both.
Stopping unscrupulous, out-to-make-a-buck and no-thought-for-the-welfare-of-their-dogs breeders - that I can definnitely agree with!
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Sorry if this offends anyone but I totally agree with the following picture & am just fed up of seeing hundreds of ads for these so-called new breeds of dogs such as cockerpoos, sprockers & labradoodles which sell for huge amounts of money when their mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels just the morals behind these new breeds, personally I wouldn't own a mongrel or rescue dog by choice. But see below & hope it doesn't offend x
I think technically they are crossbreeds ie a first cross between two recognised breeds. A mongrel is a wider mix, often of unknown parentage. And maybe the crossbreeding helps to eliminate some of the issues with purebreeds.
That apart, they obviously meet a percieved need in the market - which is how all the current pure breeds came about too, I suppose. My neighbour has a jackapoo and she's just gorgeous :love:
However, any breeding should be done with healthy parents - and there's a wee bit of me thinks that some folk are a bit unscrupulous about this breeding and just see ££££££££
I do absolutely agree that breeding of dogs should be much more tightly controlled - whatever the breed or cross.
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I saw someone recently selling cockerpoo's. It was a recipe for disaster as they were crossing indoor pet poodles with outdoor, working (manic) cocker spaniels!
I love my lab X, she has been a great dog. I also love my greyhound. I am more interested in a dogs personality and that they would fit into our life than the breed.
I would also try to get a rescue, unless it was a working dog.
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What do you get if you breed a Dalmatian with a poodle.......
........ A spotty poo
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How did most of the breeds you think of as pure breeds come about? I am no dog history expert but I believe they've all been made from a mix of other breeds at some point in their history.
I totally agree that breeding should be regulated and people shouldn't be able to just breed unsuitable litters which might have health issues, but why are the x number of "pure" breed dogs we have at this particular point in time be the best dogs to keep going forward into the future? Some of these mixes might well be here to stay.
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Both my dogs are rescues of unknown parentage, one is clearly a lab cross and the other looks like a minature alsation. They are both lovely friendly, well mannered healthy dogs. They are great with the kids, happily ignore the chickens and geese and tolerate the cat's frequent attacks on them with good nature.
The cat on the other hand is manic!
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I do agree with shropshirelass that the names being used for these cross breeds drive me demented. what is wrong with calling them a spanial/labradoor cross. Although I understand that some of them like labradoodles are being developed as a breed in themselves and you can get 3rd and 4th generation labradoodles.
This is how the current recognised breeds were developed too and it maybe that these types of cross breeds will eventually become standardised breeds of the future. Hopefully with some better, more imaginative names and without some of the health issues.
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We have 2 cockerpoos, due mainly to my wifes allergies.
They are a fantastic breed, with many great qualities (Very good with children, fantastic for alergy sufferers, don't shed hair).
There's also a well established breeding club for cockerpoos which acts extremely responsibly, inspecting and approving breeders and so on.
Saying that any cross breed is a mongrel and inferior sounds a little bit Nazi-ish... All "pure breeds" came about by crossing in years gone by.
Also on the question of health, many 'pure' pedigree breeds have large health problems. They have often been bred for aesthetics rather than health. Many can barely breathe, others can barely walk.
Hate the names if you really like, I'm not sure why you would though. They're a fantastic breed.
As long as you do your research, and go to an approved registered breeder (Go visit them before making any decision), you'll be able to see how the parents are, what their setup is like etc, and if they're doing things properly.
It's not offensive, just ignorant ;)
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I think technically they are crossbreeds ie a first cross between two recognised breeds. A mongrel is a wider mix, often of unknown parentage. And maybe the crossbreeding helps to eliminate some of the issues with purebreeds.
I agree Rosemary and I have seen loads of cross breads I would be more than happy to own.
I actualy see no problem, if some one wants to pay that much money then let them. I saw a Beagle Pug mix and she was so lovely......!
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This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but...
... After reading all this about crossing breeds, I then went through unread posts and a new thread has been added titled boer bucklings, I miss read it as boer ducklings and thought OMG someone has bred a duck with a goat!!!
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Supply and demand, and when the demand goes then the price will drop and people will stop, it seems wrong on one hand though that the KC and responsible breeders spend ages trying to iron out genetic problems just for others to introduce the possibility for a whole load of new ones to appear
I fully agree, they are just mongrels, but hey what's wrong with that, I've got a mongrel, she's a class 5 agility dog, I've got 2 isds collies and neither of them can keep up with her
I've also got one of the original designer dogs, a lurcher, greyhound x saluki (actually he is a long dog (thanks doganjo))
I make a lot of money grooming designer dogs so I shouldn't moan, but they are just mongrels if names even matter
Pedigree dogs where bread to do specific jobs I thought, not just to answer the current fad?
Oh and mini my mongrel has just informed me that she is a designer dog, she is a woof woof grr, which translates as a german bull whippet or a gerbupet poo
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I personally don't mind if people want to cross breed dogs and call them whatever name they fancy, so long as the breeding is done ethically and responsibly. There is clearly a demand for these crosses and the only issue I have is when puppy farmers jump on the bandwagon and churn out litter after litter of these type of designer dogs without any care for health or temperament issues and the poor bitches are simply used as breeding machines with no life at all outside the whelping box :-[
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I personally don't mind if people want to cross breed dogs and call them whatever name they fancy, so long as the breeding is done ethically and responsibly. There is clearly a demand for these crosses and the only issue I have is when puppy farmers jump on the bandwagon and churn out litter after litter of these type of designer dogs without any care for health or temperament issues and the poor bitches are simply used as breeding machines with no life at all outside the whelping box :-[
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Oh, and I really don't think it safe to assume that all pedigree dogs are bred in a better, higher welfare manner than crossbreeds and mongrels. I suspect there are just as many purebred pedigree bitches producing purebred pedigree pups in terrible conditions as there are bitches producing 'designer crossbreeds'.
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I think anything can be bred as long as it's done right, and well thought out. I think the feeling with the "designer breeds" is that it screams puppy farm to some and they get churned out with no thought to welfare. I'm sure there are some fab breeders out there, but it is difficult to get past.
We have a beddie x whippet - which is a pretty common cross. No designer name, no ridiculous prices, just a good, old fashioned cross breed, working dog.
Breeding with no thought to welfare is wrong, be it crossbreeds, mongrels and purebreeds.
I remember when sprockers first started appearing and it was going to be the next best thing in the working gundog world. As far as I know, that didn't happen. There are odd ones about, but you still see pure cockers and springers around.
Helen
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I personally don't mind if people want to cross breed dogs and call them whatever name they fancy, so long as the breeding is done ethically and responsibly. There is clearly a demand for these crosses and the only issue I have is when puppy farmers jump on the bandwagon and churn out litter after litter of these type of designer dogs without any care for health or temperament issues and the poor bitches are simply used as breeding machines with no life at all outside the whelping box :-[
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Oh, and I really don't think it safe to assume that all pedigree dogs are bred in a better, higher welfare manner than crossbreeds and mongrels. I suspect there are just as many purebred pedigree bitches producing purebred pedigree pups in terrible conditions as there are bitches producing 'designer crossbreeds'.
Absolutely!
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How did most of the breeds you think of as pure breeds come about? I am no dog history expert but I believe they've all been made from a mix of other breeds at some point in their history.
Yes you are right, all breeds originally came from Canis Lupus - but the individual breeds we have now have been carefully and thoughtfully bred for a particular purpose - there is no breeding thought going on for these mongrels - they are first crosses being bred for cash. If they start breeding cockapoos to cockapoos to try to create a new breed there are specific breeding rules to observe in order to maintain a reasonable gene pool and avoid diseases being built in as well as any merits. It is NOT a job for back street breeders. It is a job for a genetics or breed expert.
Even just changing one aspect of a breed is complicated. Dr Bruce Cattanach and his wife, both dog breeders, and both geneticists, wanted to introduce the natural bobtail gene to Boxers some years ago, from Corgis, with the approval of the Kennel Club. Normally cross breeds/newly created breeds have to breed true to type for 7 generations before the KC will put them on the active register, but Dr Cattanach did such a good job that these were assessed buy three Boxer experts and DNA tested and allowed to join the full Boxer register in three generations. You can read about it here http://www.steynmere.co.uk/index.html (http://www.steynmere.co.uk/index.html)
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My main concern with the crosses is firstly the sheer number of puppies being bred as people are using their family pets of different breeds and untested health status and just putting them together, no bother with registration as they can explain that these 'new breeds' cant be registered. While registration doesn't guarantee a healthy puppy (my border terrier is testament to that :-(, there is at least a chance to make progress on education and health issues.
I think a few crosses, labradoodles and cockerpoos mainly probably have a good future as an established breed, but for the most part the rest of these crosses are done purely as a money making exercise with little thought to the characteristics or compatability of the dogs concerned.
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My worry is that with all these new cross breeds being bred there are becoming fewer and fewer pure bred pedigree puppies being born, that soon if we are not careful we shall loose the pure pedigree breeds for good.
It frustrates me now that you can buy KC registered puppies cheaper than these designer dogs which I take delight in referring to as 'cross breeds'. They refer to them around here as F1 hybrids and if you cross a F1 with another of either breed or another F1 then they are F2 hybrids, what's that all about :thinking:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid)
I think more than anything, these "designer dogs" are not actually "designer". They were bred to solve real world problems - mainly the rise of allergies. Also not having hair everywhere is a bonus.
Yes, they are expensive. In my experience, due to the massive amount of thought, effort and care put in by the breeders. I don't know about backstreet breeders, or puppy farms - wouldn't go near them.
If you don't like them.... don't buy them!!! :D
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Interesting read....
http://www.globalanimal.org/2010/12/02/man-who-created-labradoodles-regrets-the-cross-breed/25768/ (http://www.globalanimal.org/2010/12/02/man-who-created-labradoodles-regrets-the-cross-breed/25768/)
Helen
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I was down the pub last night, and someone was telling me that her mother is buying a Jack s**t. i laughed and almost spilt my beer (it wasn't THAT funny) but really? A Jack s**t? I think she must know just that - she's paying £500 for a puppy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid)
I think more than anything, these "designer dogs" are not actually "designer". They were bred to solve real world problems - mainly the rise of allergies. Also not having hair everywhere is a bonus.
Yes, they are expensive. In my experience, due to the massive amount of thought, effort and care put in by the breeders. I don't know about backstreet breeders, or puppy farms - wouldn't go near them.
If you don't like them.... don't buy them!!! :D
The losing hair thing is a total fallacy. It's not hair that causes allergies - it's dander, and a labradoodle or cockapoo has has much chance of taking it's coat from its mother or its father. And they don't breed true tp type so a doodle to another doodle is a mongrel Nor are they any healthier. HD in a Poodle is as rife as in a Lab - take two untested dogs of any of those breeds and you run the risk of bad hips in any of the progeny!
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Most of these puppies are being bred for money only, nothing else. No thought of good health or what sort of adult dogs they will make. People have just jumped on the bad wagon and saw nothing but the £££ sign.
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It strikes me that a cross bread has no requirement for health check etc, so a pedigree dog that's been checked and pups registered and chipped is going to be less profitable than a cross.......I spy a problem :innocent:
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It strikes me that a cross bread has no requirement for health check etc, so a pedigree dog that's been checked and pups registered and chipped is going to be less profitable than a cross.......I spy a problem :innocent:
If you go to a reputable breeder, they will do health checks, chip, etc. Whether it's a "cross breed" or a pedigree.
There are good breeders, and bad breeders whatever dog breed you go for.
Anyone interested in cockapoos should check out http://www.cockapooclubgb.co.uk/ (http://www.cockapooclubgb.co.uk/)
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We have a samier or a terroyd - not sure what. As you can see he is very intelligent. But can't catch.
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I have no problem with health tested pedigrees, crossbreds or mongrels, my mongrel took me from beginners in obedience to C & would have done better with a decent handler. But there is a place in Norfolk which pumps out crossbreds, one of which is the Norfolk Mountain Dog!!!! There is no mountain dog in the cross. Do people not thin they are taing the p***** ? Mountains & Norfolk?
Rose
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What would the beagle x pug mentioned earlier be called? A bug? A peagle? A bugle perhaps? I think the names are a joke if someone wanted to create a breed that could be taken seriously as a dog breed, personally.
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What I mean Jimmy is they are not registered as a litter so a good way around not having health tests, and buy the way, we do!!
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If you go to a reputable breeder, they will do health checks, chip, etc. Whether it's a "cross breed" or a pedigree.
There are good breeders, and bad breeders whatever dog breed you go for.
People who breed designer dogs for profit are not reputable breeders. You get the occasional mongrel or crossbred litter because of a misalliance or because 'i love my dog and thought it would be nice for him/her to have babies' Neither have any thought to the future of such pups. A misalliance can be sorted by a trip to the vet next day for a jab, and the other kind would never think of health issues.
There are a number of reputable breeders on TAS, including Sandy and myself, who would never dream of producing 6, 7 or however many pups, without ensuring they will be as healthy as is possible and that they will have good forever homes.
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Some people frown on facebook advertising but I like it as I then can check people out much better and keep in regular contact, I have now built up so many great contacts, the best of all being the stud dogs owner, he has many people come to him for pups and I know I have said this before but one of our pups went to a Billionaire.....I may say this again buy the way as I am chuffed, he has his own estate and game keeper and goes shooting...well he's only 1 but if half as good as ours without much training then he will be brilliant. I keep in contact with the majority of our pups and am so proud of them! :thumbsup:
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If you go to a reputable breeder, they will do health checks, chip, etc. Whether it's a "cross breed" or a pedigree.
There are good breeders, and bad breeders whatever dog breed you go for.
People who breed designer dogs for profit are not reputable breeders. You get the occasional mongrel or crossbred litter because of a misalliance or because 'i love my dog and thought it would be nice for him/her to have babies' Neither have any thought to the future of such pups. A misalliance can be sorted by a trip to the vet next day for a jab, and the other kind would never think of health issues.
There are a number of reputable breeders on TAS, including Sandy and myself, who would never dream of producing 6, 7 or however many pups, without ensuring they will be as healthy as is possible and that they will have good forever homes.
I don't think you'll be convinced, you've obviously made your mind up that anyone cross breeding is evil, and anyone breeding pure pedigrees is a saint ;) It's interesting though that you seem to imply breeding dogs is something that should not be done for profit. Why shouldn't dog breeders make a profit from what they do? It takes a big commitment in terms of time and energy. Is profit a dirty word? Immoral?
There is great demand for certain breeds, and that's why the price is high. The market decides.
If you look at the link I posted, there are several registered cockapoo breeders, who have been inspected and vetted.
There is also ample information on health testing etc etc.
Maybe there's a big issue with unscrupulous breeders specifically breeding cross breeds where you are. I've never seen any issue like that though - anyone buying a puppy from some backstreet unregistered breeder is asking for trouble - whatever the breed.
I'll leave it at that on the subject. For me personally, the existance of cockapoos has enabled us to have 2 fantastic friendly family dogs, instead of none.
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Jimmy, That isn't what I am saying. You have two lovely cockapoos and maybe you will be lucky and not have health problems with them. I do hope so.
I admit I have a bee in my bonnet about doing health checks, but the only other bee buzzing around is giving mongrels a name to make them look desirable and so they can sell - in other words designer dogs.
I agree if a profit can be made it is perfectly ok but it is less likely if all the health checks are done, the dam and pups are fed and housed well, the pups vaccinated before they leave the birth home, and are registered with the Kennel Club. All that costs money and is pretty well the way all breeding shoudl be done in my opinion. The ultimate aim in breeding is not to make money but to produce better dogs and healthier dogs over a period of time.
You also have it wrong about what I believe, I started my life with a cross breed - lab/cocker - but she wasn't a cockalab or a labacock or anything other than a labradort/cocker cross. Had I mated her to her brother or any other breed they would have produced mongrels, not more cockalabs or labacocks. Because they would not have bred true to type, in other words, you wouldn't have had a scooby what they'd turn out like in either looks or temperament, or for that matter health, I wouldn't ever have bred her.
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its the price they go for - same as a pedigree up here.
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Thing is, no one forces people to buy them but they must sell otherwise not so many people would be breeding them........basically it's demand and supply rather than he other way around. a buyer should check out the breeders, both stud and bitch........
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I know someone who has bred 2 litters of German Shepherd x Labrador. Big litters ... so around 20 pups. They cost £200 each and all were sold by 10 weeks of age. What's more, people travelled from all over for them and not just locally. There is obviously quite a demand for these crosses and like everything where there is a demand someone will supply.
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I know someone who has bred 2 litters of German Shepherd x Labrador. Big litters ..
crikey, there are tons of those in the shelters.
we live next door to a long cockerpoo, like a giant mop.
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That is what I can't understand. Surely the shelters have loads of pups and young dogs that are effectively what these are ..... first crosses.
She asked to use my Flattie but told her I didn't think it was a good idea. German Shepherd X Flattie .... dread to think. ::)
I believe first crosses are often used as Guide dogs and carried out to get the good qualities of the 2 breeds. Used to know a farmers wife who had the brood bitches and also puppy walked and she told me that it was often done. She had a Flattie X labrador at one point and said that it was the maddest one she had worked with and couldn't believe how much it licked any bit of bare flesh it spotted .... real fuss pot.
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That is what I can't understand. Surely the shelters have loads of pups and young dogs that are effectively what these are ..... first crosses.
some crosses i can kinda understand. my friends has a chihuahua x yorkie, paid alot for it,
the cute ones like poodle crosses go for £500 up here.
but gsd x and lab x and collie x etc i dont see why when there are 1000's in the pound.
( i had a great gsd x lurcher from the dogs home, bizarre looking but a fantastic dog :love:)
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That is what I can't understand. Surely the shelters have loads of pups and young dogs that are effectively what these are ..... first crosses.
She asked to use my Flattie but told her I didn't think it was a good idea. German Shepherd X Flattie .... dread to think. ::)
I believe first crosses are often used as Guide dogs and carried out to get the good qualities of the 2 breeds.
That is fine so long as the background of both are investigated thoroughly,as regards merits and faults are concerned,as well as inherited health issues, and that forever homes are sought fro teh progeny! But that is exactly what these get rich quick 'breeders' are NOT doing! I'm not against anyone breeding anything - what I AM against is total lack of concern for what is produced. No thought behind it whatsoever - just mate that dog to that dog and don';t care who they are sold to. There are dogs/puppies being bought for low prices or free to good home just to be used as bait dogs for dog fighting rings. And don't hide your heads in the sand it is true - three bodies have just been found dumped - one had been cut in half and left to rot. That was someone's much loved pet once! Just THINK about it folks, that's all I ask!
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I think most people do think about it .... you are certainly not alone there Doganjo.
How you stop the others is the difficult part .........??????
The lady I mentioned would say that her dogs are well cared for. The pups well cared for and well socialized. She would say that no the parents are not health checked but are healthy enough. She has one bitch that she won't have pups from because the vet has told her that there is a hip problem but she would say that she can see the others are fine.
There was talk certainly here in Wales of legislation to prevent indiscriminate dog breeding. Haven't heard any details though or definition of what would be classed as indiscriminate. :-\ How would they police it? :-\
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I really don't know how it could be policed except by all dogs requiring a licence, (and a tag on their collars); and licences required for ANY litter, whether pure bred or cross bred. Personally I would be happy to pay a dog licence and a breeding licence if it would stop dog fighting and indiscriminate breeding, and dogs in kill centres - if you want to get a scare just look at Spain where gangs of kids go around stoning stray dogs to death, and others are picked up and put in kennels till it's time for them to die - just a few days usually. Their killing methods leave a lot to be desired too. At least we are humane in the UK for the most part. And Yes, I Do know about some of the shooting fraternity. :'(
Just because a dog looks healthy doesn't mean that it is or that it won't pass on any latent diseases(carrier)
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Did try and explain that but .......
Won't look but uncle lives in Spain now. He has 9 dogs due to the things you talk about. They turn up as strays and he keeps them. ;D The lucky few I guess.
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In response to the original post I agree with part of it, these new names are just silly -( to fetch a high price / fashion ) and the animals are nothing more than cross breeds.
I would however be more than happy to own a mongrel ( possibly the best type of dog for a family? I dont know) & there are 'some' fantastic rescue dogs looking for new owners.
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We have sprockers and we breed them. i don't actually think they were cross bred for the pet market originally, though someone might tell me otherwise. Our dogs are working, and the puppies go to working homes. I personally think most spanial/sprockers are not suitable for the pet home as they are too manic and perfer to be doing something. I would be interested in knowing why the were first crossed, think I will google and try and find out. Our sprockers are brilliant, I don't actually like springers but like the size of the springer. Cockers are nice but I like slightly bigger dogs, hence we have the best of both worlds with the sprocker. We sell our puppies for approximately £350, but they are going to do a job.
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just found this about sprockers
Springer and Cocker Spaniels were selectively bred from Land Spaniels so it is safe to assume that they have been crossed either accidentally or by gamekeepers ever since . However it is only in the last 20 or so years that their popularity has risen and they have become known as Sprockers.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Gamekeepers in Scotland initiated the breeding of Springers and Cockers to create a dual purpose working field Spaniel for the big estates, combining the best traits of both Spaniel types for flushing across varied ground cover. Sprockers found their way into family homes in ever increasing numbers and they have proved to be, like many Spaniels, the ideal family pet.
Today even recognised Cocker Spaniel & Springer Spaniel breeders have started using their Sires & Dams to produce litters of Sprockers. Many people assume that Sprockers are part of the current trend for designer dogs, however the Sprocker is clearly not a designer dog as he is the result of breeding two types of Spaniel rather than two different breeds and has probably been around ever since Springers and Cockers were bred from original land Spaniels.
It is difficult to estimate accurately how many Sprockers there are in the UK but it is probably between 5000 & 10,000 which would mean the Sprocker is one of the most popular Spaniel types right now. Our online Facebook community Recognise the Sprocker Spaniel has over 500 members.
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just found this about sprockers
Springer and Cocker Spaniels were selectively bred from Land Spaniels so it is safe to assume that they have been crossed either accidentally or by gamekeepers ever since . However it is only in the last 20 or so years that their popularity has risen and they have become known as Sprockers.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Gamekeepers in Scotland initiated the breeding of Springers and Cockers to create a dual purpose working field Spaniel for the big estates, combining the best traits of both Spaniel types for flushing across varied ground cover. Sprockers found their way into family homes in ever increasing numbers and they have proved to be, like many Spaniels, the ideal family pet.
Today even recognised Cocker Spaniel & Springer Spaniel breeders have started using their Sires & Dams to produce litters of Sprockers. Many people assume that Sprockers are part of the current trend for designer dogs, however the Sprocker is clearly not a designer dog as he is the result of breeding two types of Spaniel rather than two different breeds and has probably been around ever since Springers and Cockers were bred from original land Spaniels.
It is difficult to estimate accurately how many Sprockers there are in the UK but it is probably between 5000 & 10,000 which would mean the Sprocker is one of the most popular Spaniel types right now. Our online Facebook community Recognise the Sprocker Spaniel has over 500 members.
All spaniels were originally the same breed - they were selectively bred from within the same litter, for individual traits that they carried. Clumbers, Cockers, Springers, Fields, Sussex etc all developed from the same lines. Sprockers are the least offensive cross in my view. Spaniels are spaniels are spaniels.
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I know someone who breeds, one of their buyers got back in touch as their new pup had been found to have a heart murmur. Answer, all pups have this problem when young. The other question I would ask. Do all breeders put the sale of their pups in their tax returns.
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I doubt that! But if you did you could also claim all expenses, including in show dogs entering shows, travel to and from, feeding, registration fees, vet fees, etc - I once calculated that my loss for 10 years was in the region of £15000. It's a hobby if you do it properly - not a business. I DO wish people would realise that you cannot make money from proper dog breeding.
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We do!! our accountant wanted a pup....but we are allowed to earn so much from a hobby and the amount of time, bits and bobs that get put into having a litter there is money at the end but ours goes back on the dogs, last litter we bought a dog friendly car, that's gone now and we have a better dog friendly car, the money also paid for her to be spayed and all other vet stuff....most hobbies cost money, some cost a lot but I see our dogs as a hobby and part of my life, without them I would not have so many wonderful friends, I would not have met such great people, I would certainly not walk in the woods on my own and I would have no one to cuddle up to when my husband has the grumps.....The main reason I go for Labradors is I know what I will be getting and that suits my own temperament, fitness and character......the yellow one also matches my hair, the black one matches the black car and the brown one matches my outfits and boots.........all I need now is a red one :innocent:
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We do!! our accountant wanted a pup....but we are allowed to earn so much from a hobby and the amount of time, bits and bobs that get put into having a litter there is money at the end but ours goes back on the dogs, last litter we bought a dog friendly car, that's gone now and we have a better dog friendly car, the money also paid for her to be spayed and all other vet stuff....most hobbies cost money, some cost a lot but I see our dogs as a hobby and part of my life, without them I would not have so many wonderful friends, I would not have met such great people, I would certainly not walk in the woods on my own and I would have no one to cuddle up to when my husband has the grumps.....The main reason I go for Labradors is I know what I will be getting and that suits my own temperament, fitness and character......the yellow one also matches my hair, the black one matches the black car and the brown one matches my outfits and boots.........all I need now is a red one :innocent:
Couldn't have put it better!
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..the yellow one also matches my hair, the black one matches the black car and the brown one matches my outfits and boots.........all I need now is a red one :innocent:
red to match what?? lipstick? :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: i love my chocolate lab :love: i also love chocolate!
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Don't think they make dogs to match my red shoes :innocent: I have a black one to match my black shoes, a brown one to match my brown shoes, a mostly white one to match my summer white shoes. But nothing to match my lucky red Show shoes :-J
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I would love a Fox red....I would happily have a house full of all sorts of dogs.....but 4 is enough..........next cats :innocent: