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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: fiestyredhead331 on July 06, 2013, 01:26:54 am
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We took in a border collie a couple of months ago, his previous owner didn't want him as she said she was finding it hard as he was a handful and she already had 2 rotties and 3 children and her next step was to have him put to sleep. Turns out this collie is lovely but is no use whatsoever for working, he's already killed a chicken and tried to get at the lambs so I'm looking for a more suitable (animal free) home for him.
What does make me mad is that I found out that the woman I got him from has now taken on a 10month old huskie!! I'm sorry but that's just taking the p**s in my book and I wonder how long it will be before he's advertised all over facebook for a new home.
I get the feeling she's one of these people who feels the need for new things or thinks she can 'sort out' problem dogs but whats she's doing is unfair on the dogs and the next owner >:(
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I get the feeling that your feeling is right....very irresponsible! I would be very cross!
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She sounds like the type of owner who doesn't do her research properly & will end up with your so-called problem dogs, she has had 3 high energy working dog, big breeds that are all noted for their potential aggression & need for loads of exercise & a dominant owner. It's like I've said before these are the sorts of breeds along with terriers & spaniels & toy breeds that have a lot of problems & the behavior problems come from owners who do not train their dogs & can't handle them & their not being physically & mentally stimulated enough.
When I bought my dog as a pup I looked at around 50 dog breeds - Knew what I wanted a short haired spaniel sized breed with not too much high energy, not fussed on gender - in the end I narrowed it down to Beagles or Basset hounds & got a Basset hound & waited for the right breeder, I also looked into the health problems & behavior & found it unphasing. This whole process took me around 2 years before committing myself to a dog - I would have loved to have gone out & bought a pup - breeds like Dalmatians & dobermans caught my eye along with many others but at present are not suitable.
After about 18 months of having him & going through the puppy stage & the awkward teenage stage he settled down a lot but the training like now 5 years on from getting him I still have to keep up to date with that & will do till the day he dies - But I'm happy to say I'm now considering & hopefully getting a 2nd dog - different breed granted & that my dog is not a problem dog x
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THAT is infuriating!! :rant: How or why would someone do that?! Our youngest was 6 when we finally got Murphy and that was after oodles of research and soul searching about why it could, or couldn't be a good idea.
Even now I have the odd insecure moment (hence all the training we are going to and books I'm reading) poor collie, poor huskie :(
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Stupid cow, she needs that husky taken off her, if she can't train a collie she ain't got a hope with a husky... It sounds like she should have some idea with the other dogs around her, but a husky is soooo very wrong
Irresponsible, stupid, thick and downright idiotic woman, should be shot
No there should be a exam before your allowed a dog, just easy questions like...
What's your name ( that'd weed a few out, especially if it was written exam)
How many legs does a dog have (make sure they've done a bit of research)
How long do you think your fad will last? (Make sure they have thought about the future)
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and the other annoying thing here is there's no 'social services' type person to inform! not like the RSPCA (if shes in England) will do Jack all about it. There isn't anyone is there?
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No
And a 10month unwanted husky ..... It's gone wrong before she started
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I refused to sell a Lab pup to some one as their wife thought it looked cute...now Labs must be one of the easiest dogs but I knew the wife never went out much, anyway, the chap only went and bought his wife a Malamute :innocent: ..........and....not long later that had to be rehomed, what a surprise ::) , thankfuly they now have a tiny weeny yorkie. I think the cute look of pups makes people loose their power of logic!!!
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When I took the collie originally it was as a trial and see how he went, when I contacted her to say we were sorry but it wasn't going to work, her response oh well thats a shame, I would just put him down then! I did ask her why she had a collie in the 1st place and her reply was well I'd never had one before! She was running a dog walking type business but said she had to go give it up when her husband left and she had 3 children of which pretty much all were special needs!
I have to take some responsibility for the the situation and taking the dog in the 1st place, but she was a friend of a friend, who of course now is absolutely livid that this has happened.
I have tried all the local animal rescue places but they are all full but I have one family who already have a collie that are very interested so I've got my fingers crossed :fc:
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I am still upset that I had to re home a dog we took on from some one who could not cope with him :( , I loved him to bits, he was good but when out on a walk would do his own thing if he felt the urge, he also encouraged my yellow lab to go off.......he bowled me over and was way too strong for me to hold if necessary, my 3 other Labs are full under control all the time. But I could never trust him so e was rehired to a lovely place but then.....a few months after I saw him for sale, I rang to say we would have him back but no reply.......sometimes I wish I had kept him........certainly outs me off rescue dogs...,even though I do encourage people going to them.......... :innocent:
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I am still upset that I had to re home a dog we took on from some one who could not cope with him :( , I loved him to bits, he was good but when out on a walk would do his own thing if he felt the urge, he also encouraged my yellow lab to go off.......he bowled me over and was way too strong for me to hold if necessary, my 3 other Labs are full under control all the time. But I could never trust him so e was rehired to a lovely place but then.....a few months after I saw him for sale, I rang to say we would have him back but no reply.......sometimes I wish I had kept him........certainly outs me off rescue dogs...,even though I do encourage people going to them.......... :innocent:
What a shame :'( - he was a lovely dog, but headstrong, and he was neutered before you got him so that made no difference either.
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The turning point was when I walked along a narrow path with all 4 on a lead as coming the other way was a chap with a huge American Bull dog and a German Sheppard, they were pulling him, I could not move for fear of loosing my balance and the chap, luckily turned around and went back the way he had came, then we looked after my brother in laws spaniel while we had 4 week old labs and steve away working, If I left Ben on his own he would howl and if I took him out he would certainly have run off with the Springer...so I did not go out until he was back, even then it was hard to control the spinger as he also was missing his daddy....that was all the deciding factor, just very peed off that I carefully gave him away to someone I trused and they went and sold him!!!!! Ben was never ever aggressive and he was lovely but he also turned into a bugger when he wanted to and ran across a busy road......several times..the only way I got him back was to start the car up.....mind you..I still would have him back!!
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.the only way I got him back was to start the car up.....mind you..I still would have him back!!
that works for my terrier too, he just loves cars so i just open the door and wham hes there. comes in very handy.
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For a start he was good until he saw the car, they he would get that look and walk off, they go further and further out my reach....he embarrassed me many times :-[ , I think before I had him, he had only had short walks to the park and so did not want to get into to car and finish, his walk....BUT, if I started the engine, he would run to the car almost saying "don't leave me". My terrier would also run off, that was the end of him as he run under a car.......The labs I have love the car too, so much, I sometimes get back in while my husband is messing around or my back is bad, then the dogs come to the car all the time, infarct one jumped through the open window last week...they are that attached to me :thumbsup:
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cars mean "Beach" or "National Trust Day" to my dogs. our terrier needs a cage tho as he gets soo overexcited he sits on the dash board - heaven help if the windscreen wipers go on! :roflanim:
he does stay loose in the Disco when we are driving around the farm but hes very much thinking he can drive himself ;D ;D
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cars mean "Beach" or "National Trust Day" to my dogs. our terrier needs a cage tho as he gets soo overexcited he sits on the dash board - heaven help if the windscreen wipers go on!
:roflanim: :roflanim: ......ours are like old ladies enjoying the ride :innocent:
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We are having problems with Jake and Rascal fighting. Jake is getting on and has become grumpy and jealous. I now make sure OH does not take them out together as he is the problem. Not forceful enough and they see him bottom of their pack .It would never enter my head to get rid of one. People often get dogs because they fancy the breed but get quite a shocked when they cannot manage their new pup. I am pack leader and stand for no carry on. Rules I have put in place work but OH is soft and then gets upset when the 2 dogs get into a fight. he was in my bad books the other night. Emma took Jake out for a walk. OH then decided to take Rascal out to find her but with no lead. Rascal attacked Jake and upset Emma. I upset OH by having a right rant. One day he will listen :-J
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I upset OH by having a right rant. One day he will listen (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/Smileys/default/tongue-in-cheek.png)
:roflanim: , I can see you are pack leader that's why OH plays up :innocent:
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Had the collie, Blue, out today on the lead while we were working at sheep and he showed a real interest, like he knows he should be doing something but not sure what!
Does anyone know someone up this far north that could get him through finishing school perhaps? If this woman who is interested in taking him changes her mind and we still have him then it might be an idea to see what he can do with the right training?
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I'm with you Alistair
Irresponsible, stupid, thick and downright idiotic woman, should be shot
. I thought "ignorant or just stupid" was way too kind
She sounds like someone i used to live next door to who was at the very least totally deluded and at worst bloody cruel. she viewed herself as some sort of latter day Dr Dolittle,with a special power that attracted poor unfortunate animals to her. Problem was she seemed to think that looking after animals happens either when you can be bothered or when there is a need to make a lot of noise about how wonderful you are- just to impress -strangers usually. I once counted and in the space of time that my spaniel grew from puppy hood to aged 5, 17 different dogs came and went next door., always short lived stays that ended due to some incompatibility that should either have been foreseen or was a direct result of her not really giving a sh*t. she once """rescued""" two parrots- the words fire and frying pan spring to mind. her two cats lasted the course however, possibly due to the fact that they moved in with us years earlier. When we were moving she popped round and said for us not to worry about the cats as she'd "sort them". instead we "sorted them" and took them with us. they both lived to ripe old ages in their mid 20s.
horrible woman- now you've got me started again
cheers
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Had the collie, Blue, out today on the lead while we were working at sheep and he showed a real interest, like he knows he should be doing something but not sure what!
Does anyone know someone up this far north that could get him through finishing school perhaps? If this woman who is interested in taking him changes her mind and we still have him then it might be an idea to see what he can do with the right training?
Just caught up with the thread about your collie. Whereabouts are you?
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Good luck with your collie, mine came from a farm on her last chance , she had no eye so they decided she didnt deserve food, (well one triangle tux biscuit a day-that equates to a skeleton) - or to be kept safe while in season, they saw that as a joke. I couldnt leave her there, even though id wanted an older dog. And she is a darling, so well behaved. Your Blue just sounds like he needs to learn the ropes, he sounds like he is in the right hands now, and if you cant keep him that you will make the right choice of new owner. People can be so heartless and cruel, good on you for taking him, and i would be furious if i were you too. I am sorry about your hen though.
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west coast of Sutherland is where we are, surrounded by sheep!!!!! so no-one round here willing to take him as he's too big a risk, understandably but we're getting to the end of our proverbial rope now, Daisy is due to kid any day and if I can't find anywhere for Blue then he'll be going to the vet the same time as I get the kids de-horned :(
I've tried everything, local council info boards, facebook, local vets/adverts SSPCA and Munlochy but they are all full. Its so unfair, on the dog aswell as us, the children will be devastated and I will be heart broken but I have run out of options but this (I have now decided on the stupid option) has left us no choice >:(
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west coast of Sutherland is where we are, surrounded by sheep!!!!! so no-one round here willing to take him as he's too big a risk, understandably but we're getting to the end of our proverbial rope now, Daisy is due to kid any day and if I can't find anywhere for Blue then he'll be going to the vet the same time as I get the kids de-horned :(
I've tried everything, local council info boards, facebook, local vets/adverts SSPCA and Munlochy but they are all full. Its so unfair, on the dog aswell as us, the children will be devastated and I will be heart broken but I have run out of options but this (I have now decided on the stupid option) has left us no choice >:(
have you tried asking a dogs home down south. animals often move up and down if they are likely to find a more suitable home. he may do well in suburbia. difficult for you.
willows animal sanctuary,aberdeenshire, near us specialise in desperate cases where no other shelter can help. its mainly beef country here. worth a try. they are on facebook aswell.
http://www.willowsanimals.com/ (http://www.willowsanimals.com/)
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he's gone from a home in the burbs to a home here. Just had him out for his business but he got wind of the 2 lambs and took off again, he was again muzzled so no real damage done but he takes no notice of anyone when he takes off, he's getting to be a liability I can't afford.
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i understand, sounds like an accident waiting to happen. may be kinder to pts than spend ages in a dogs home. :(
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I've e-mailed border collie trust to see if they can help but this is the last attempt, we'll see what happens.........
3 years ago before I got the animals I would have kept him in a heartbeat but I have to try and make the croft work and earn money and having poor Blue here is just not working, so he is back to being shut in most of the time as I can't trust him, even on a tether he managed to catch a chicken!
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I have replied on another thread. My hubby (a shepherd and experienced sheepdog handler) would be willing to give Blue a chance here if you can get some transport to bring him down to East Lothian/Borders area. It sounds like he has the desire to work - and some of the best sheepdogs are real brutes with the sheep initially.
Is there any way he can be transported a bit nearer to us? We are busy with clipping time at the moment, so haven't many spare hours in the day.
How is he with other dogs and children? He would have to be safe around children to be able to come here (as I have a 5 year old son).
Do you know anything about his breeding or who bred him? So you have any photos?
Hopefully we can work something out so he doesn't have to have the one way trip to the vet :(
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Another thought, there will be lots of sheep wagons coming down past here from up your way - how does Blue travel? If he is a good traveller, we might be able to find someone willing to have him as a passenger.
Let me know.
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Oops I should also have asked how old is Blue?
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I hope it all worked out wih Blue? Does Sheepdog have him now??
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we still have Blue but thanks to sheepdog we are in touch with someone who is assessing Blue next week to see if he's fit to train for work, if he is then this guy reckons he can find him a home so fingers crossed for a happy ending. One very useful of advice I did get was that I should consider getting a working dog that is going into retirement. One that will work when we need it to with our wee flock but will be happy for the most part to mooch around the place rounding up ducks etc...lol
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great that things are looking up for Blue - good on you for taking the time. I was glad that Sheepdog joined the thread. Understandable how stressful it has been and you wanting to do the right thing. Yes I have heard that older farm dogs can be good - as long as they are not like the one who i have - he had worked for 10 years and now he is with me says he has had enough! no way he is going near those pet sheep! He wants to snooze in the sun - and fair enough, he used to be a top worker! But seriously it could be a good idea.