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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: HelenVF on June 13, 2013, 08:40:41 pm

Title: Buttercups
Post by: HelenVF on June 13, 2013, 08:40:41 pm
Are buttercups poisonous?  just watching springwatch and it said they are toxic.


Everywhere around us has buttercups, and we had loads last year.  Last week,  I noticed our pygmy goat eating one so realised that he had kept them down.  Now am starting to worry!


Helen
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: jaykay on June 13, 2013, 08:59:31 pm
There are buttercups everywhere all down the dale, and all the sheep/goats/cattle are eating them.

Ellie has them sticking out of the side of her mouth on purpose, to be picturesque  ;)

I can't think that they can be that poisonous.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: spandit on June 13, 2013, 09:11:13 pm
They are toxic to horses but not that bad
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: sokel on June 13, 2013, 09:17:22 pm
2 of our kids that have been bottled from day 1 head for buttercups every time we take them for a walk down the drive, not sure if its just the colour or what but they do eat them.
the older goats never touch them
When we had 2 Pygmys they used to tuck into them every time they where out and it never did them any harm
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: HelenVF on June 13, 2013, 09:24:50 pm
There are buttercups everywhere all down the dale, and all the sheep/goats/cattle are eating them.

Ellie has them sticking out of the side of her mouth on purpose, to be picturesque  ;)

I can't think that they can be that poisonous.


That's what thought as the sheep are definitely grazing them. btw, you can't be too far from me as am in North Lancashire   




They are toxic to horses but not that bad


Thanks.  Dusty doesn't eat them as we did comment that we had loads last year.


Helen
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: HelenVF on June 13, 2013, 09:26:06 pm
2 of our kids that have been bottled from day 1 head for buttercups every time we take them for a walk down the drive, not sure if its just the colour or what but they do eat them.
the older goats never touch them
When we had 2 Pygmys they used to tuck into them every time they where out and it never did them any harm


Thanks! can stop worrying now lol!


Helen
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Lesley Silvester on June 13, 2013, 09:53:31 pm
My first goat wouldn't touch them so I didn't bother with these two. think I'll give it a try as I have a lot in the garden that I would like to be rid of.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: cuckoo on June 13, 2013, 10:06:55 pm
There was a lot of buttercups in my paddock so I had it sprayed last week with a chemical which only killed them and nettles and sprinked grass seed over the areas which died back.  Hopefully that will sort the problem as the goats didnt seem to eat them and they were taking over.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: shygirl on June 13, 2013, 11:13:51 pm
buttercups grow on acidic soil so the land needs liming. they are poisonous in large amounts. we never had a problem tho but have noticed the dont tend to get eaten.


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 Buttercups contain an acrid, volatile alkaloid-amenenol, strong
     enough to blister the skin and  cause inflammation of the intestinal
     tract. Cattle  and goats poisoned by buttercups produce bitter  milk and
     a reddish color. The toxic material  volatilizes and is lost when
     buttercups are dried as  in hay.

      A heavy growth of buttercup is an indication of  low soil fertility.
     Have the soil analyzed and apply  ground lime and fertilizers as their
     need is shown.  The increased grass growth soon crowds out buttercups.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Anke on June 14, 2013, 06:31:26 am
My goats don't eat them in the field, but if they are part of the cut grass they get, all will be eaten... so I think they are not as tasty and if there is other stuff available they will not eat masses of them....
 
We are planning to lime our fields this autumn/winter, as we have noticed an increase of butter cups in some areas.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Dogwalker on June 14, 2013, 08:41:52 am
There seem to be alot more this year, maybe a result of last years wet.
 
If they were a problem I'm sure the local farmers would have zapped them by now or there'd be alot of dead sheep and cattle around.
 
Haven't noticed any odd tastes in the goats milk either.
 
In last weeks dry weather my boots were yellow with pollen walking across to feed the pigs. The bees are certainly enjoying them.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: HelenVF on June 14, 2013, 08:47:00 am
Thanks all. We are on the edge of a moor so imagine the soil is acidic?

Helen

Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: cuckoo on June 14, 2013, 09:33:07 am
Thanks for tip re lime.  Will look into it :wave:
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: plumseverywhere on June 14, 2013, 12:00:36 pm
That is really useful Shygirl - thank you.  Ours ignore the buttercups, as do the sheep. I've cut a load of hay this year so much of that will be dried buttercup and not toxic as dried, phew.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: shygirl on June 14, 2013, 01:14:23 pm
unless its my imagination - there is an abundance of buttercups everywhere where we are at moment (even the real farmers fields - who are usually immaculate). add that to the rape - the world is very yellow.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: plumseverywhere on June 14, 2013, 01:28:57 pm
There is here too - I noticed just prior to our holiday that our sheep field and the gravel ramp leading to it were "all yellow"  (cue...song of same name  ;)  )

Coldplay - Yellow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwjX4dG72s#ws)
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Daisys Mum on June 15, 2013, 08:05:15 am
We have a lot here too this year and I did think about spreading lime but we also have a lot of clover and I am sure that I read somewhere that liming kills clover  :-\
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: ballingall on June 15, 2013, 01:35:16 pm
Spraying buttercups to kill them does kill clover too, but not grass. My sisters field is really bad with buttercups. We have them, but not too bad and we lime every year to keep them back.


Beth
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Anke on June 17, 2013, 10:22:16 am
We have a lot here too this year and I did think about spreading lime but we also have a lot of clover and I am sure that I read somewhere that liming kills clover  :-\

My goats won't eat the white clover!
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: Daisys Mum on June 17, 2013, 10:52:01 am
We have a lot here too this year and I did think about spreading lime but we also have a lot of clover and I am sure that I read somewhere that liming kills clover  :-\

My goats won't eat the white clover!


Don't know if mine eat it but the sheep do  :sheep:
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: shygirl on June 17, 2013, 11:13:52 am


Don't know if mine eat it but the sheep do  :sheep:
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yes, iv realised that i seem to have alot more buttercups as i sold my sheep last year...duh. you dont realise what they do til they are gone.
Title: Re: Buttercups
Post by: HelenVF on June 17, 2013, 01:18:40 pm
I had a good luck at my paddock and we have a lot of clover as well. 

Helen