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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: rustyme on July 13, 2009, 03:19:15 pm
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when I read that they would have a vaccine for swine flu , ready by the end of August I thought great news....then I thought , hang on !, didn't they say in April 2009 (when it broke out in Mexico as a NEW VIRUS ?) it would take 12-18 months at least, to create a vaccine for the virus ? So I started to look about . A company in the USA , who are making the vaccine they created , were given samples of the virus in May 2009 , in June 2009 they announced it would be ready by July 2009 , fantastic!!! , a miracle !!!! . The company Baxter's, had taken out a patent on the vaccine ( to protect their interests $$$$ !!!) . The only problem with that is ... the patent seems to have been taken out in 2007 ????? The same company also made a vaccine for avian flu , there are some very serious questions about events that happened then, that I am looking into!!. Also why will an untested vaccine for swine flu be given to young children , pregnant women, first ???? Something about this isn't adding up at all ......am I getting paranoid ? Does it make sense to everyone else ? Would you give your children , your pregnant wife , your sick parents an untested vaccine ? one that has no proven efficacy !!! on a virus that may have mutated into a far different form , that the vaccine was formulated from ?
Anyone who is concerned see what you can find out !!! Not the gov web site , that is next to useless... dig deeper ....
cheers
Russ
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Hello Russ
No you are not getting paranoid - just a searcher of truth and carefull ;D
I would feel the same and would not take the vaccine - I felt the same about the injection they are wanting to give to all 12 year old girls and up for HPV to stop cervical cancer.
I could have died from cervical and ovarian cancer - but I would not give that injection to my 12 year old - it doesn't make sense - and hasn't been tested. Why inject a child, surely wait until they are sexually mature and use the smear test on a regular basis then!!
I was born in 1960 when most of my mums friends had disabled children because of the thalidomide drug given to pregnant women for morning sickness!! :o
Going back to the tagging section, maybe they want to inject the whole population and secretly insert a track and pin chip into us all - now that is paranoia!! ;D ;D ;D
Why do they suddenly want to inject everyone :o- and why was the patent for a problem that did not exist taken out in 2007 :o - and by whom? :o ??? The plot thickens ::) ::)
Julie
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(Merck’s Gardasil vaccine causes death, collapse and chronic illness in young woman and girls, including a new, never-before described “disease” called Juvenile ALS, a fatal condition in which the nervous system is slowly destroyed while consciousness remains unimpaired. This vaccine increases cervical cancer by 44.7% in women and girls who already have Human Papilloma Virus. Cervical Cancer is easily detected and cured in early stages and is not a major killer of women. Gardasil contains substances which may cause sterility in women receiving it and any protection lasts only a few years, so 9 year olds will probably not be sexually active by the time this protection has worn off.)
It is very similar to the MMR vaccine ..... they keep saying that not giving it to all children is causing a measles and now a mumps epidemic !!!! why don't they give separate ones for all three then ? they are available , and would solve the problem in an instant !!!!
I have read that, Obama has already said that the swine flu vaccine should be made mandatory for the whole US population . I am looking for that statement too ....
... RFID ....yes sounds like loony tunes stuff.... however it is already in all USA passports , and will be in our ID cards that have now been dropped ????????? Oh and by the way did you know that from this month ALL foals in the EU must be RFID chipped ?????
http://www.corerfid.com/coreDocs/RFID%20Issues%20For%20Veterinary%20Practices.pdf
OH and in the US they have already begun a voluntary RFID scheme for humans !!!! been going for a couple of years now......
cheers
Russ
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I just received my new passport from the British Embassy in Dublin - and, guess what, there's a microchip in it :o
A very large corporate in america tested chips in prisoners in the us a long time ago, they also had what they called mind reading software, so when an inmate thought about a crime, and maybe the names of others involved, it recorded all this - it sounds all sky-fi, pi in the sky stuff, but having worked for a us corporate for some years myself, I know how they work and how R & D projects are marketed for one reason, but made for another.
Thnks for the info above- I did not know all that - just do not trust the medical profession anymore when it comes to drugs - they are another corporate into profits not people.
regards
Julie
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this gets worse the more you find out .......
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pillscribe/celvapan-peramivir-are-among-new-preventive-drugs-against-h1n1-virus/
this section (below) is about 1/3 the way down the article:
Novavax scientists need only the genetic sequence of the virus instead of the virus itself, says its CEO Rahul Singhvi, to create the vaccine. The swine flu sequence was released last week.
Novavax uses the same method used to develop Gardasil, the women’s HPV vaccine.
“It’s a proven technology with Gardasil,” Singhvi says. “Therefore it’s not a leap of faith that we could test one for swine flu.” Singhvi estimates it would cost $100 million to create a vaccine. Novavax has already offered its services to the government.
This whole thing is at best $ making based , and at worst well...????
It WAS Baxter international inc. that patented the vaccine in 2007 , 2 years before the virus formed ? how can a vaccine be made if there is no virus ??? You can only make a vaccine FROM the virus ... therefore A H1N1 existed 2 years before it broke out ??? in Mexico !!! I am now reading about the virologists that say A H1N1 could not form in nature ... that it IS a man made virus mix ????
cheers
Russ
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Yes - I had heard rumours that H1N1 was made in a laboratory -
A bit like the cover up of the beginnings of foot and mouth at a farm near a laboratory in the UK recently??? :o :o
I am so glad that it isn't only me who doesnt trust them - now I know I am not alone in my madness ;D ;D
Julie
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But WHO should I not trust? I am totally confused by all of this.
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Yes Julie .. the last outbreak of F+M did indeed come from a government laboratory. It was found to be leaking from an uncovered drain ? Why had F+M been tipped down the sink anyway ? Surely that means that the laboratory wasn't secure ? A secure laboratory sink directly emptying into an open drain ? Are they all muppets or what ...? I also know for a fact ( I know someone that delivered them !!!) that the government were stockpiling pallets and old telegraph poles at certain locations around the country, a full 6-9 months BEFORE the start of the first F+M outbreak . These locations were later used as burning pits for thousands of dead animals.
Annie , god knows ....I try as best I can to find out all the details , but it is really difficult separating fact from fiction/supposition . But think on this ...Tony Blair told us we were going to invade Iraq, due to the fact they had Weapons of Mass Distruction ?? that could kill us all in 45 minutes? (does that sound familiar ? hint , the war in Afghanistan , we need to attack them to save us from terrorists) when they knew that they had destroyed all such weapons in 1991/2 . It has now been admitted (not by Blair though ) that it was a lie !!!!! When they found no WMD, they then changed it to a war against terrorism ( sound familiar again ?) Then it was found that alqaeda were in fact in Iran not Iraq (fact) ...oh well it is next door, so near enough !!!! Who should you trust ? not anyone if they have MP after their name !!! They are also on the boards of all the big companies , such as Baxter int inc , GSK , Monsanto , shell , BP,and many of the weapon manufacturing companies etc etc . This is our MP's and US politicians and many other world politicians . Just check out the names of any MP's etc and then look at the big company boards ... very similar names keep popping up . The deeper you dig, the more corruption you find ! It is truly frightening . Take for instance the war against Iraq , before we attacked it we were selling Saddam Hussein guns, ammunition ,jet fighters as well as training his army , air force etc etc , so to were the USA . So when we went to war against them , we were fighting soldiers trained by OUR army and they were using weapons we had sold them ??? that is fact that can be checked online. I have nothing but respect and admiration for our soldiers, that are willing to die for us (and are doing so in increasing numbers ) but nothing but contempt and disgust for the Ba*tards that are sending them to their death for a series of lies ... under the pretext of saving us from terrorism etc.
cheers
Russ
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Russ
Just to throw in another angle of the way things are, have you read "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris?
If not, I am sure you would enjoy it, there is plenty of food for thought there.
regards
Julie
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I haven't read that yet Julie , but will get a copy and have a nose ...lol. Another good one that really opens your eyes ( well it does if they were closed !!!) Is Londonistan :
http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/1594031444
I moved from London in late 1977 and it was already going on then in a big way . I worked and knew people in Southall , and there were many areas that you just did not go to, if you were English/white/Christian . It was a time before suicide bombings etc , but you could see trouble just waiting to erupt .
cheers
Russ
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1475608.htm
the above is an interesting read from 2005 !!! It was written in relation to the avian H5N1 flu erupting at the time. This was not the only such test . I have found many of them being carried out . Many, Many bodies of people that died from Spanish flu in 1918 , have been dug up and samples taken . I like the last sentence:
"They also said there was no danger to the public from their experiments, which are conducted in biosafety level three labs designed to contain the virus."
wasn't the laboratory responsible for the last outbreak of F+M, a level 3 lab ? dealing with dangerous animal viruses !! oh and the pipe that was broken, connected the IAH (Institute of Animal Health) government lab (dealing with animal viruses), with a lab owned by Merial, a private company who make vaccines :o :o . They were in dispute as to who should pay the £50,000 repair bill for the pipe , so it never got repaired !!! :o Yep ... nothing to worry about ....we are in safe hands .... :o
cheers
Russ
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Hello Annie
Do not worry about all this - people have felt and seen things like Russ and I, and many others have for years, it is just the corruption of politics and people.
It is something that people cannot change unless they all see the problem and stand together against it - and that is not likely to happen for a long time.
The credit crunch has given people enough to worry about and they do not have time to see the bigger picture, and what is really going on.
Perhaps they are better off - but what you will notice, is whilst we are talking about this, we are not depressed or worried, we are joking, having a laugh about it and getting on with our lives at the same time.
Keep smiling, I do not want these posts to worry you.
I wish I could catch those bl**dy kids who smashed your eggs - the little scoundrels.
Could one of your neighbours up there on the forum sell them on your behalf - or is there a cookery school that migh be interested in buying nice fresh eggs for baking?
lotsa love
Julie
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The danger with developing a vaccine at this stage is it could couse the virus tio mutate, which is the reason tami flu hasnt been handed out to everyone.
I certainly wont be getting vaccinated
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Me Neither
Did you get my PM?
Julie ;D
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yes, i emailed you ;D
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Swine flu cure developed
http://www.fmft.net/Swine%20flu%20pandemic%201.jpg
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :pig: ;D ;D ;D ;D
will it work on pigs ???
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Russ is on a mission ! At least it keeps him off bothering me about the EU...
Kevin
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Russ, I was born and eduketed :D in Southall. As a family we moved out ( Ascot gardens ) in 1973.
Kevin
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hello Kev,
lol...small world eh ? .. I worked for my dad from 73-75 , he had a building maintainace firm . He had loads of council work to do and I mainly worked on , I think it was Dormers Wells Secondary school ?, does that sound familiar? I also did some work on a couple of disabled day centres , can't remember the names of those though . I remember one time I had to replace 200+ panes of glass . The sods went round behind me pushing the new ones out !!! Ended up replacing 350 + in the end !!! The good ole days ...MMMmmm?????
cheers
Russ
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Hi Russ,
Dormers wells school was a 5 minute walk, but I went to lady margaret.
One of the day centres would probably have been jubilee gardens, right next to the park, also just a 2 minute drive from Dormers wells.
They flattened the day centre a few years back. Apparently some shoddy work on the windows caused it to fall apart.......
Small world , yep.
Kevin
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Swine flu!.
What's that - OH - you mean H1N1.
Why are we still calling it Swine Flu when it has F**k ALL to do with pigs.
Sorry to be so blunt but it really annoys me that it is still called Swine Flu.
Kindest regards to all
Joe :)
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lol... very small world ... I think I worked on Lady Margaret school too...really sounds familiar ... I think one day centres was next to a park and it was very close to Dormers wells , as I remember walking between the two when we were working on them . Oh and I was painting and fitting new doors in the day centre not the windows...lol
Joe, chillout man .....lol..... things can get me like that too sometimes...the EU being just one eh Kev ?...However H1N1 being called Swine flu , isn't one of them . I called it swine flu as that was what it was called from the start ( well it started out as pig flu ) and was only changed to A H1N1 a few weeks into the crisis. I also still call Snickers bars Marathon bars , because that is what they were called first ......
cheers
Russ
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Russ, thats it. Jubilee gardens was in a cul de sac, 30's single story red brick library on the left, day centre just after it and then the park.
Kevin
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I wondered what happened to Marathons!!. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It only gets to me because I have to explane to Amadan's and oinsearch's every Day that it has nothing to do with Pigs at all and by right it should be called Mexican Flu!.
I was not blaming you in any shape or form for the W.H.O calling it swine flu.
But someone has to defend the humble Hog and today thats ME. ;) ;)
Kind regards to all.
Joe :)
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Well Joe , we are probably calling it swine flu as the rest of the planet is..
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
I understand that but I will still continue to refer to it as H1N1 after all that is what it is !.
Also we were having dinner with a French friend of ours about 1 week ago after he came back from France and he told us that in France they are calling it H1N1 or Influenza A and no one he was talking too referred to it as Swine Flu at all.
All the best
Joe
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I am not sure now ( the memory has gone a bit these days ) , but I think in one of the day centres there was a little lady working there, who's son was in Z cars . I think he played Taff Jones or something , yes he was Welsh . She was nice, he seemed a miserable sod ....The description you give does sound very familiar Kev !!! I remember taking my sarnies and eating them in the park , and I think we all ( there were 3 of us working at the centre ) had fish and chips at dinner time , also in the park , well I had saveloy and chips....always do.... One morning , I think it was Ray , got his his screwdriver nicked at Dormers...we had to go back in the afternoon to put all the doors back on .. they had taken every single door off it's hinges in the dinner hour ... ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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no probs Joe .....I will no doubt keep on calling it swine flu though , as it is in my head as that now, NOT to wind you up !!, just my simple brain can't cope with too much info and certainly not with name changes ....That would use up far to many of the little grey cells !!!! ::) ;D
Oh did you see Wimbledon this year ? .. they were doing the H1N1 wave .... ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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Joe, well thats true here in Belgium, its known as H1NI...but then we do not have the ' daily mail ' !
Kevin
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I think it's called swine flu ,because the largest part of it's genetic make up is swine flu the rest is avian and human flu.What a concoction eh!
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I think it's swine flu because Mexicans wouldn't be too pleased to be associated with it ! ;D
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I thought we had concluded it was made in a laboratory and is all a massive way for drug companies to make money?
Must have turned two pages? ;D
Julie
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who funds the world health organisation?
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090713/en/index.html
this chapter is scary :-[
•Since new technologies are involved in the production of some pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for their safety in certain population groups, it is very important to implement post-marketing surveillance of the highest possible quality. In addition, rapid sharing of the results of immunogenicity and post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies among the international community will be essential for allowing countries to make necessary adjustments to their vaccination policies.
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jOE your question was why do they call it swine flu? NOT where did it come from? Two very different questions .It does have to do with pigs if you look at it's genetic make up, plus the public and press love an easy short catchy name. As to where it came from we could ponder that one for a very long time! But in all this we are supposing that mankind is the ultimate inventor,what about the best inventor of them ALL MOTHER NATURE .Perhaps it's natures way of telling us there's too many of us on this planet that we just keep plundering.Maybe it's another BLACK DEATH[only cleaner] Nature usually finds a balance especially if a species becomes a PROBLEM.
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And we have become a problem species. Go have a look at this Matrix clip again, and see if the bloke with the glasses was right ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI&feature=related
Fankly, I just fear for my wife and kids.
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Hello Gavo ;D
This is a cutting from an article that can be found at
www.naturalnews.com
It seem that if you are right and it is down to Mother Nature then she is a bit of a Bi*ch to the poor old birdies!.
Sending them from pig to pig just so she can get rid of US!.
I wonder if she is using Carrier Pigeons?.
Maybe just maybe, Pat might start selling Black death as well as Black bacon up their in Fermanagh!!!. ;D ;D
It is also quiet amazing that the list of viral code fragments Start, HUMAN FLU !.
The artice reads as follows.
Kindest regards
Joe
I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media (which has no reason to lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:
• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia
This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs -- in Mexico! -- and spread it to others. (This isn't the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).
P.S.
I do hope that you or no one you know get the New CLEANER black death. :) :)
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Joe
Every thing in nature is complex from ants right up to us wonderful people! Your list is very nice is it in quantity order? Or is it random? Pat may be selling black bacon but it has NOT got a patch on our lovely outdoor reared bacon. I don't think selling the black death will catch on up here, perhaps you should try it down your way ::) Not overly worried about SWINE FLU at the moment not a deadly strain yet if it does mutate further will worry then, and anyway might half inch the wifes fully protective face mask just in case!
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I heard tonight the goverment have ordered extra tests on the vaccine, before it is licenced in the uk....perhaps one of the brain dead fools has been reading TAS ;D ;D
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Hello Gavo
You would have to ask the man who wrote it about that?.
When did you start selling your Bacon in Harrods Food Hall along side Pats Black Bacon ?.
Congratulations if you are, I do believe though that Pat is rearing his Pigs on an Island just beside you Or at least that is what they said on Jimmys Farming Hero's and Local Food Hero's on T.V.
As for it not being DEADLY why have so many People died from it around the World?.
Kindest Regards
Joe :)
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Hello Smiffy,
That is exactly the thing, It takes years of testing to see if a vaccine is safe as we all know all Medicine has side effects.
I wonder what delights this one has in store for us.
Don't know if it is TRUE but I was told yesterday that Obama (Obamanation) is going to make it Compulsary that all Americans have to have the Vaccine.
If he does the rest of the World and the W.H.O will follow!.
Kindest regards
Joe :)
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Well so all our produce must be crap YOURS INCLUDED just because we don't sell in HARRODS Isn't marketing a wonderful thing ? As for DEADLY VIRUSES it's a numbers question ,.only when the virus kills a certain percentage of those it infects do orgs like the W.H.O consider it deadly. A hard fact to swallow i know if it hits you and yours but that's the way it is. I don't think i'll bother the nice man who wrote the piece. You can think what you like and i'll do the same if that's alright with you . It's a funny old world eh, who knows whose right and whose wrong, does it really mater in the great scheme of things?
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Hello Gavo,
Marketing is wonderful, That is why I sell out Every week.
I do believe that it was YOU and NOT ME that stated that Pats Bacon was not a Patch on your Bacon.
You statement read as follows.
Pat may be selling black bacon but it has NOT got a patch on our lovely outdoor reared bacon.
All I was saying is if it's not a patch on yours, Why are you not supplying Harrods like Pat.
I supply enough Artisan Food Halls,Local restaurants and Farmers Markets so that I can make a living out of this and not have to work else where!.(How is Sean Quinn these days)
Not bad for someone who as you put it is selling Crap!.
I would of thought that someone like you from the BIG SMOKE (another one of your statements) would have understood that marketing is important.
When I passed your house a few weeks ago Did I not see a sign (Marketing sign of course) out side offering your produce for sale.
Have I been mistaken that you Yourself like Marketing as a statement on YOUR web site reads.
Do you long for Pork that has real flavour and taste? Pork that melts in your mouth? Succulent and juicy when cooked? Traditional dry cured bacon and award winning hand made sausages?
I believe all of these things are Marketing so don't try to be sarcastic about Marketing when you yourself love to use it!.
As for me I love it!. The more the better from The Irish times to my Local paper,Local Radio to T.V it all Helps,As I have allready said I sell out Every Week!. :) :) :) :)
I do agree that we can all think what we like though and as for who is right or wrong Who gives a S**T!.
Kindest regards to all
Joe :) :)
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Joe,
My reference to marketing was aimed at Pat not you or I, I will not comment on how or where he rears his pigs. I unlike Pat, do not rear on such a large commercial scale therefore would never have enough bacon to supply harrods as I have more than enough customers to purchase all the bacon I can produce. We choose to supply the customer direct, no middle men of any sorts, this keeps us and our customers happy. I was not being at all sarcastic about marketing as it's a tool we all use, some just have more money for such things than others.
By the way Sean Quinn is very well these days and is a joy to work for, a pity there aren't more employers like him, as I do love my job although on occasion like most people I complain about it.(that's human nature). I still believe our bacon is better and have had many happy customers say the same. As for our website statements we feel these to be correct NOT just a marketing phrase. Can either of us be right or wrong when alot of this comes down to our customers palate ? As for selling out every week, I'm glad we both have the same problem - Isn't it great that there are people out there with TASTE ? :pig: ;D
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Hello Gavo,
I like you are not a commercial Farmer . :farmer:
But I am very pleased that you are having the same problem as me at the end of the week.(Sold out that is)
I do 99% of our sales (To cut out the middle man)and get the same responce as you from our customers.
I do on the other hand supply a few Health food shops with our Gluten free sausages but I have only ever got 100% positive feed back.
Wishing you every success in the future.
Kind regards
Joe :)
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090716/tuk-swine-flu-deaths-rise-to29-dba1618.html
big jump in deaths from swine flu , and a delay between vaccine deliveries and vaccination start up.
cheers
Russ
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http://alternative-doctor.com/blog/swine-flu-outbreak-the-truth-is-ugly/
Just a bit more info that refers to Baxter's, the people behind the swine flu vaccine. Would you trust this company ? will you have their vaccine ? Some interesting comments on this link , and all have checked out so far . Felipe Solis did die from flu like symptoms the day after meeting Barack Obama on April 16th !!! Baxter's did send a LETHAL avian flu vaccine ?? to 18 countries . And that man Rumsfeld pops up again !!!! Barack Obama has said that the vaccine should be mandatory !!!
I also think it is rather strange (to say the least) that now , the virus has spread all round the world , BA and Virgin say that if you show signs of the flu you won't be traveling because it may spread the virus ???? stable doors , horses etc etc etc . Shouldn't that have been the case from day one ???? This whole thing stinks to high heaven .....The next thing I will be watching is what the death rate is AFTER the vaccine comes out ??? Whats the betting it increases dramatically ? Oh and remember thats the vaccine that patent was applied for in 2007 , and granted in 2008 , and the virus broke out in 2009 ??? :o Baxter Int Inc applied for the patent .
cheers
Russ
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Russ
I wont be having the vaccine, I will take my chances with the dreaded swine flu ;D
http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/18360
another interesting artical
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/fluindex.htm
Looking at the list of 'ingredients' in general flu vaccine.... I hate to think what is in swine flu vaccine :pig: :chook: :goat: :horse: :cat: :dog: :sheep: :&> :pig:
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http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/chap3.htm
nor me ....the above gives the details about the 1976 swine flu 'Outbreak' ? . I think I will take my chances with the flu itself .
cheers
Russ
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'Being sick' is worth a fortune to drug companies. Why do you think there is no cure for cancer etc?
Now I don't mean to be offensive to peoples sensibilities saying cancer, as that really is of almost pandemic proportions, but I did find a site offering a natural cure....trouble is it's classified as being illegal. Who knows? Trouble is, in this day and age there's no money in cures, but there's lots of money in sickness.
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Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers (I wonder why ?)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31971355/ns/health-swine_flu/
that news should instill confidence in everyone ? I think I will jump to the front of the queue.....well maybe not !!!!
cheers
Russ
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Hey Sausageandcash if its any concolation. We (that's us in Ireland) are prepared with a huge consignment of Tamiflu, so shouldn't be a problem - what hasn't been widely publicised, is that it has an expiry date of Oct/Nov 09!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, if you are going to get it and want a vaccine, get it now, or don't bother!
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What is really scary is that I have just got back from a trip to UK.
My friend got a call to say her friend Sue (now known as Swine Flu Sue!) has a daughter who got the flu - started with a really bad throat, then aches all over then flu sneezes etc. Her daughter was off school and took Tamiflu and is improving
BUT
THIS is the SCARY BIT
Swine Flue Sue - the childs mother, also got it, but carried on going to work as she needs the money - and her opinion is "its only a mild strain of flu so no problems". ::)
How many others have that attitude and are spreading it around. :o
Half of the shop assistants I met were sneezing and sniffing, so I didn't spend much, brought my money home - don't want it contaminating with Swine Flu. ;D
Apparently most people I met think it is all blown out of proportion and that its just a normal flu that you get over "in a couple of days" ::) :-\
Maybe the Government are over reacting? ???
Ant others out there with similar experience of the general publics opinion on this?
Julie
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I have two relatives , one from Milton Keynes and the other from the Humber, who have gone away together for a few days in the lake district . Well the one from the Humber has a neighbour who has gone down with swine flu and who had been in her house a few days before they went away ....although the bough didn't know she had SF then. So they could both come back with swine flu, one is 80 the other 68 !!!
The WHO have said that it is spreading faster than any other pandemic has before, and the death toll so far is over 700 . New UK figures are out on Thursday , but even the WHO don't know the full figures now as they don't collect all facts and figures now.
I live in a very rural area and don't have much contact with people , but when I do I just ask them to keep a distance as I would rather not catch it if possible . All ,so far , have done so and said they will do the same when they contact others . It is no guarantee against it , but it won't do any harm . Not so easy to that on the London underground though ... ::) Just think of all the recycled air , all flu laden !!!! Glad I live in the country ...Cow pox next !!! :o ;D
cheers
Russ
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The air thingys scared me on the plane - I didn't use mine but I have caught things
after flying before - it must be the air conditioning that causes it.
Think I will stay at home - do you think a fashionable mask would sell well - what would I need to make it from, we could attach beads, ribbons and coloured felt to co-ordinate with the latest trends - That's what they will be selling in Tesco clothes section by Christmas! ::)Watch that space ;D
All I want for Christmas is a Swine Flu Mask ;D
Julie
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ex mod face masks would sell as is I should think ? The government did tests on the London underground in the 60's I think it was ? , releasing a flu virus of a particular type , so they could see how fast it spread throughout London . It spread all over within a couple of days ....That is documented fact !!! We are safe in their hands .... ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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the government have the right to do what is best to protect the 'state', not the protection of the people they govern.
lets face it we need a population cull ;D (please dont jump on me it is said tounge in cheek ...)
however world population is a serious issue
remember the primary objective of government is the continuation of government
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Exactly Smiffy,
If they wanted to kill a load of people fast - all they have to do is poison Coke - it is drunk in large quantities worldwide - in over 60 countries every day by millions.
That would be an easy cull.
BUT
That would impact on Coke, and sales would stop, insurance claims would be made and millions lost in court fees and therefore revenue and taxes lost for the government. ::)
Much safer to make a flu bug - in a lab - blame hens, ducks and pigs, and pass it around so that they can kill people with no comeback. :o
AND make revenue on the sale of the cure, whether it works or not, by implementing a You have to have it policy. :o
No - can't be right - can it? ;D
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the posting below was taken from a comment on the Independant website:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/secret-flu-plan-inoculates-square-mile-1677850.html
It's all a man-made pandemic!!!
darksidemoon23 wrote:
Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 11:55 pm (UTC)
Tamiflu Manufacturing Predicted a 531% Sales Increase in 2009 !!
From the Annual Report in Q4 2007/Q1 2008, on page 3 it shows predicted growth of 531% in 2009. What could they have done to know of this pending need in 2009.
Source: http://www.chugai-pharm.co.jp/pdf/annual_report/2009/eAR2009_12_04.pdf
Also, Tamiflu has a shelf life of 3 years and they stock-piled it for Bird flu, which never became a Global pandemic. This time round, as the drug reaches its shelf life, it's 'convenient' that they are dishing out Tamiflu left, right and centre to countries Worldwide! Even more importantly, Tamiflu does nothing than alleviate symptoms for a day or two, and may prove dangerous as the flu mutates through reassortement of the genetic lineage.
Need i also mention Donald Rumsfeld is an executive for Tamiflu OEM.
see THAT name again ..RUMSFELD !!!!
cheers
Russ
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I bet he owns all the ex MOD masks too ;D
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Looks like we're screwed! If future projections are correct.
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Another slightly worrying development!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090722/thl-first-case-in-americas-of-drug-resis-5effa79.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090722/thl-first-case-in-americas-of-drug-resis-5effa79.html)
Dave
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WHat could happen in hospital http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8163459.stm
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Hi Morgan,
I put in a request to hold one provisionally for ME weeks ago!. ;D ;D ;D
So I am not worried!. :P
Kindest regards
Joe :)
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Yup, they told me that....when I doubled the asking price ;) Joe'll be alright I said....just give him a board to lie on, bad back and all!! Sorry, know it's not funny someone taking the p*ss when your back is out, but I couldn't resist!
Regards,
Morgan
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Hi Morgan,
I don't mind anyone taking the P**S, Especially when I have not got a leg to stand on!. ;D
Being that I can't feel them anyway!.
Kind regards
Joe
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So I didn't tread on your toes so...or if I did you didn't feel it! God i'm bad. Time for a few Hail Mary's and a bit of self flagellation to purge my sins. Wife used to do the flagellation, but she began to like it a bit too much!
Regards,
Morgan
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Getting back to the swine flu situation regarding the vaccine
You guys in the UK will all have the option to take it within a few weeks.
In Ireland, we might be able to give 10% of the population an injection against the
second wave - stronger version of the swine flue due to hit us all in the Winter!!!!!!!
The first injection is still being trialed from chicken eggs? (Why ???I thought it was Swine Flu?)
in Glaxo Smithwhatevertheyownnow at the moment and we may have some of it in 6 weeks.
Pray for the people with underlying illnesses, the children, and the old irish folk, and say a few hail marys (Morgan understands ;D) May our faith help us (if you have any) as the medical industry definately will not help us :'(
What do ya think Russ - is it time to crack open the bubbly and live life to the full now :yum: for us poor old irish folk in Eire????? ::)
Julie
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I think they are at a point now where they are back tracking and deliberately not giving any dates when the vaccine will be ready . They said that it would be ready by the end of August , then they said by the early part of September and now I have heard mention of sometime in October ? I don't think they have a clue to be honest . What does worry me more than anything, is the point that in the USA the government has given manufacturers immunity from any prosecution in court if anything goes wrong after having the vaccine !!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
some very interesting info on there regarding not only the swine flu vaccine but also the MMR vaccine. Has the UK government given manufacturers immunity as well ? Is that what they are waiting for ? GSK have been accused of selling the vaccine to third world countries for £6 or $6 each (depending on which report you read!!) when they only cost £1 or $1 each . GSK say they don't recognise those figures ??? but that they cost more than £1 or $1 because they have an adjuvant (“Suitable adjuvants can be selected from mineral gels, aluminium hydroxide, surface active substances, lysolecithin, pluronic polyols, polyanions or oil emulsions such as water in oil or oil in water, or a combination thereof. Of course the selection of the adjuvant depends on the intended use. E.g. toxicity may depend on the destined subject organism and can vary from no toxicity to high toxicity.")
I know for sure I will be taking a step back, from any vaccine they start pumping into people . There are just too many questions that aren't being answered and every thing to do with the vaccine points to £$ and nothing else . I will wait and see how the numbers play out before anyone sticks needles in me . Nothing about this 'Pandemic' adds up , the deeper you look the less it does so.
As for bubbly ....well I don't drink , is the bubbly GM I wonder ? :o As always I just carry on doing my thing, and let the crazy bas**rds begin to wipe out billions ...the WHO are now saying that 2 billion will get the virus . Paving the way for population reduction on mega proportions.
cheers
Russ
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All the best men do not drink - my Joe doesn't drink either, so iwilll havvvee tooo gettttt sloshsed onnnn meeeee owwwwwwwwn ( only haaveee onee buttle offff caaavaaaa)
Jewleeeeeeeee ;D
Seriously though - I am definately telling everyone I know not to take that vaccine - everyone has immunity except the poor bu88ers that will be taking it - I'm with you on this one all the waaaaaaaaaay ::)
Julie
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Daily Mail are now advising everyone to buy the following:-
Paracetamol, Flu Products, Tissues, Anti-Bak Hand wash - another way to cause panic buying and gain extra turnover and tax revenue! ::)
Just think if 60 million spend 5 quid each on the above stuff, thats an increase in sales of 300 million, and then theres the vat and all other associated taxes the government will get. :o
Still - Better than going to war in a recession in order to create more money movement ::) ;D
Julie
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your forgetting Afghanistan Julie......we are already at war. Iran and N. Korea are on the cards next too....even Pakistan!! ££££££££££££££££££
cheers
Russ
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Hi Russ
Living in a neutral country I don't worry that it will affect our life, and do tend to push these issues to the back of my mind - but I do know these things are going on -
I have chosen to study North Korea for an exam in
Social Science I am taking in November -
Been studying for this Diploma for three years (Home Study with The Hague)
on many very interesting subjects - really mind opening stuff, and great to study at middle age as opinion and views are more available to the student - loving it! :love:
I would appreciate your views and opinions on the N. Korea situation - maybe a P.M. would be more appropriate - I have to write a 6000 word essay on the situation of North Korea from every social science angle - Religion, Politics, Money, Culture and Belief, Dictatorship, Public Opinion (if they have one)i.e. all angles ! ;D
On Pakistan - I think that even your daft Prime Minister will not be so stupid as to get UK involved in that one - ???
IF he has any sense he has to leave it to the americans as that will cause was at home in almost all major cities - there are too many muslims and pakistan related people in the UK to not have repercusions at home on a major scale. :'(
Iran are a wildcard? What do you think ???
Afganistan is to be dropped by several UN forces and even America are wanting out now that Pakistan are getting to be part of the deal. Or is that just the Iraq situation???
Bit scary to say the least - but short term they need cash now and without North Korea Nuking someone then its all long term war, so quick fixes are required to the cash flow problem. :o
North Korea are very dangerous at the moment :o but general public and the people I speak to do not seem to realise or be interested in the problem at all ???
Julie
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Hello Julie ,
N. Korea is possibly one of the most dangerous situations bubbling away at the moment . The reason being, N.Korea are not scared of the bullying tactics of the US . The US can put as many sanctions on them as they want , few will make any difference to the average N.Korean, who have very little and mainly support themselves anyway !! The N.Korean government then use propaganda to blame every problem they have on the US and the west that seems to instill hatered even more. The US think they can rule the world and tell everyone "do as I say ,not as I do" . Why is it ok for them to have nuclear weapons , but nobody else ? why is ok for them to invade other countries but nobody else ? We follow like little sheep , or the nasty little sods in the playground that follow the big bully , sticking the boot in when we can . But N.Korea are different !!!! They say "go on then ! try it with us" even the US know that this is a whole different ball game , and try to call in all the little snots to stick the boot in !!! I don't say that N.Korea are right , but I know the US are wrong !! They want number one position back !!! But N.Korea , Pakistan and Iran are in the way , along with an up and comming China !!!. Each on their own can kick the crap out of the US (maybe not beat them but really hurt them !!) , If they get together then you have huge problems . The main problem we all have now , in Europe anyway is , the muslim threat . In the UK in the mid 1970's there were only about 80,000 , today there are between 2,500,000 and 5,000,000 . With illegals numbering , some say almost as many . They reckon that the UK will effectively, be a muslim state in about another 30 or 40 years , I think it will happen in my life time . The crazy melting pot they have allowed to happen will not work , already it is starting to falter . What the outcome will be is anybodies guess , but sticking your fingers in your ears and sining la la la ain't gonna cut the mustard.... but as you say Julie , that is what most people do . They just do not want to know about it !!!
Cheers
Russ
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http://www.influenza.com/images/timeline.gif
the above is a rough timeline of flu vaccine production . Now bare in mind that none of the companies had a sample of swine flu till late May !!!! (allegedly !!). Also think about the fact that the normal flu vaccine works on very few people as, only some 10% or so of annual flu virus , is actually flu virus !!! the rest is any one of about 200 or so other viruses that give almost exactly the same symptoms as flu. However, the flu vaccine does not work on any of these OTHER viruses. The WHO have also stopped checking how many actually have flu , and state that 'those that show signs, Probably have it anyway' ??? how can you plan to immunise the whole world (with an untested unknown vaccine) against a Swine flu, that may have mutated by the time you give the jab, on a Probable supposition ?? If this wasn't bordering on possible world wide genocide , it would be farcical . I think the people in charge of all this, must have watched the clip below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix3kA5_790M
cheers
Russ
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IRAQ
A sovereign state that was illegally invaded. Whatever the wrongs and rights of Saddam, it was illegal. The plight of the kurds does not was with me either, as he got hiy in the first Iraq war for that. Bottom line was that hundreds of thousands of Iraqs and thousands of allied troops died for nothing. Bush and Blair ride off into the sunset.
IRAN
Potentially dangerous, with the possiblity of nuclear war heads in the not to distant future. However its another easy target for America, and would make a great armchair distraction, whilse the world economy crumbles around us.
North Korea
Certainly in my mind at least the most dangerous country to deal with. However their massive arms, neatly side step any desire to attack them. And as thats Israels stock excuse for having nuclear weapons , it should be ok for Korea as well. N. Korea blusters and plays the cat and mouse game with the west. In my opinion it will continue like that for a long time. Neither side wanting to start a nuclear war.
China
No interest in my opinion, of any world dominiation. For sure they would react if attacked, buy hey, they have Macdonalds now ! China is just one big shop, selling to the planet, and thats the whey they will dominate. Through money and major investing in Europe and America. We buy their crap plastic junk ...they buy our institutions.
Pakistan
A hot pot that is sliding into chaos. Hot headed and not over friendly with its neighbours.
Afghanistan
A nightmare, Vietnam on steroids. US/allied forces will never stamp out the Taliban. it aint going to happen, and the fact that we went in there in the first place only shows how limited our collective politicians brains are. A true disaster on all fronts.
Muslims in Europe.
Not in my opinion the great threat that we are being told to expect. I do not anticipate a muslim state in any European countries. Militant extremists are a tiny allbeit horrible minority. Magnified by ' papers' such as the Mail. The vast majority of muslims just want to get on with their lives, like you and me.
The biggest threat to European culture and life in general will probably be the constant and ever increasing amount of legal EU citizens from other countries. Not a threat to our lives but a threat to our way of life. But thats it folks, the cards were dealt ( crooked by Heath ) but its done and dusted.
Kevin
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yes agree with nearly all of that Kevin, apart from the Muslim problem . I don't worry too much about the militant fundamentalist side , although they may always cause problems !! I mean the shear numbers that are allowed in to the country . I have no problems with any race or colour of people , just the invasion by numbers. That, as you say about the legal EU movement thing , will change ,is changing, not only the UK but Europe too . 70 million Turks just waiting for the starting pistol now too .
cheers
Russ
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Hi Kev
Read "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris - he explains the muslim threat at todays level in a very educated way - Russ caught on in London - it is a real threat to the west. :'(
Most church going people would change to Muslim to live if they read this book! :o :o
Regarding the expanding Europe
I am not racist at all, but Turks are a big problem - most of the ones I have known have been slightly crazy and knifes and fighting were among their hobbies - a dangerous mix for the UK pub scene. ???
Also they invaded one of my favourite old holiday destinations - Cyprus - whos people still have conscription and therefore manners and politeness as well as other social skills required to keep a population in check. ;)
What other countries will be in Europe? ???
Julie
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Hi Julie, Yes I will get a copy, thanks.
Turkey is a bit of a loose cannon. Historically the gateway from Europe to the middle east. But who wants that gateway now ? To my mind an unpredictable country, appalling human rights, and a majority muslim community. Once again, most are peaceful folk. However if it became a EU member, it would cause havoc in the UKand across mainland europe. The general feeling amongst my EU friends here ( and I do not have inside info, just a few people in the know ) is that Turkey in the EU will not happen short to medium term.
Turkey has a massive population, just wanting to work. Just imagine the amount of poles in the UK and double it.
Countries such as Croatia, serbiA and all + Albania are on the cards, probably joining as early as 2015, Albania later. Also several ex soviet countries are jostling for a bite of the apple.
Having said all this Julie, at the moment, the EU are backing off enlargement. Too many problems elsewhere. Its going to happen but not for a while.
kevin
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The EU wannabies is a scary outlook - lets hope they are put on hold permanently.
The other worrying thing is that the Social Science diploma I am doing, talks about Crime and imprisonment, both of which are escalating out of control in many countries. It seems that the UN and other " Human rights Campaigners" have worked out with many governments that Imprisonment is not going to be an option in the future.
All criminal acts will be dealt with by councilling, mentoring and changing mindset techniques to make people comply with social norms of their culture and country.
Can you see this working with the mental cases that kill, rape, rob,and terrorise :o :o :o its common knowledge that most paedophiles and rapists come out of prison and do it again - this is why we need prisons - to keep them IN.
These people must believe that all people are capable of being "normal sheep" because they have not experienced dealing with non-confirmists that will not change - the problem is in them and that's that - no amount of talking will change it!
The streets will not be safe if this goes ahead - its a cop out for the future when things get really bad ??? so that the Government can say that it is against human rights to put someone behind bars.
The courts and prison systems cannot cope with it now - let alone when the influx starts for real ::)
Any insider info on this one would help my studies ;D ;D opinions too!
Julie
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on the question of iran and iraq
We all know iraq is a war to control the oil!
what we arnt told is just before america and our sheep government invaded sadam hussain anjnounced he was going to sell the oil in euros not dollars, this upset lovely america.
earlier this year iran announced the same.... suddernly they too were enemy number 1
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yes exactly ... if oil is sold in euros and not dollars then the US goes down the pan ....FAST..if China were to get shot of their dollar holdings and buy oil etc in euros then that is it for the US . It is sort of ok at the moment , but I don't think it will take much for China to drop the $ .
cheers
Russ
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090728/thl-soft-toys-flu-risk-schools-told-d831572.html
Sharing pencils, crayons and musical instruments should also be discouraged, and school assemblies avoided in the case of a pandemic, it says.
The guidance is contained in documents published by the Department for Children, Schools and Families on planning for a human flu pandemic.
What on earth are they talking about ...they are digging up crap prepared when avian flu was THE thing !!! Planning for a pandemic???? don't they know that a pandemic was declared weeks ago ???
School assemblies should be avoided ??? but sending hundreds of thousands of kids to school all over the country, to play with each other and interact all day is ok ?? as is thousands of people gathering at football grounds and music festivals ?? Millions of people using the London underground , and people flying all over the world unchecked and untested ?? Stable doors, horses and bolts !!!! This whole thing was ALLOWED to spread deliberately , and now they beggin to chuck in the odd "oh don't do this or that !!!" to cover their arses.... If I get bloody swine flu, I think I will go spend a week in London, and visit the houses of parliament every bloody day !!!!
cheers
Russ
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;D ;D very funny
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What on earth are they talking about ...they are digging up crap prepared when avian flu was THE thing !!! Planning for a pandemic???? don't they know that a pandemic was declared weeks ago ???
School assemblies should be avoided ??? but sending hundreds of thousands of kids to school all over the country, to play with each other and interact all day is ok ?? as is thousands of people gathering at football grounds and music festivals ?? Millions of people using the London underground , and people flying all over the world unchecked and untested ?? Stable doors, horses and bolts !!!! This whole thing was ALLOWED to spread deliberately , and now they beggin to chuck in the odd "oh don't do this or that !!!" to cover their arses.... If I get bloody swine flu, I think I will go spend a week in London, and visit the houses of parliament every bloody day !!!!
cheers
Russ
Hi Russ,
Can I join you in London?.
What about all the good People who go to Church, Will GOD protect them?. ;D
Kind regards
Joe
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No Joe, but (s)he'll be at the gates of heaven to welcome the faithful........question is Joe, will either of us be in the queue?
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lol.. your more than welcome Joe ...but I will only go if I get a really very nasty form of it . I would make sure I stood and greeted ,with a hand shake, every politician I could . Oh and out of site, I would spit on my hands and dry it off with the hot air dryers , THEN shake their hands !!!! and wipe my hands over every surface I could get near. And if I saw GB ..well I would come over all French , and go and give him a great big sloppy kiss on each cheek (the face ones that is , even I wouldn't stoop THAT low ...yuk yuk yuk , there again , it might stop that bloody jaw of his dropping ??...) ...got ya ya basta*d :o ::) Mind you he probably has a body guard spraying him with detol permanently !!!
cheers
Russ
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On the subject of GB's jaw......
I have decided he is either a robot, that they cant get the mouth to work at the same time as the noise comes out
or
He has been possessed by the devil and the extra mouth movements are his souls internal fight to get out the truth, but of course barrack obama is more powerful ;D
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yes ... that explains it ... GB is an android....do you think he has seen things us people wouldn't believe ?. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. That he has watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain........... Time to claim my expenses !!!!
GB has no soul (apart from the R one) he sold that to Barack Obama decades ago ...
yes Barack Obama IS the ANTI CHRIST .....
but that jaw dropping ?? ... what it really is , is a reaction to the distaste of all the shite the bloke talks , even he can't stand the taste....
cheers
Russ
ps: I wonder if GB dreams of electric sheep ?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I PREFER THE DEVIL THEORY!
on a serious note my OH thinks it is speach training ???and those jaw dropping moments are so he takes a breath
me i think it is some sub concious attempt from his light side to say he is talking shite
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I prefer the Devil Theory too -
He has no soul - the devil owns that but he is so impressed with his statements through the old git that he jaw drops to his own voice :o
Definitely the Devil at work -
Julie ;D
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http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Ulster-soldier-dies-from-swine.5520060.jp
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Ice-bowl-could-be-swine.5519416.jp
looks like N Ireland are getting ready for TSTHTF ...a clip from the first link says: "Last week, it was reported that health officials have briefed Ulster hospitals to be prepared for overwhelming volumes of swine flu cases and associated civil disorder."
cheers
Russ
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BATTON DOWN THE HATCHES ;D ;D ;D
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So glad I live in the south - theres a lot of nutters up north they just cannot get on with each other and are very racist - even so called animal lovers who you think are like-minded :o Can be a strange place to be when you see the police and army move in if they think there is going to be trouble, especially around Portadown, seen it on a normal Saturday, just shopping then suddenly all roads are sealed off and Army and PSNI are everywhere.
Julie
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Hey guys, what are ur thoughts on the Blue Beam Project?
A quick Google trows up loads of hits if you've not come across it.
edited for typo, sorry
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"Holographic images are based on nearly identical signals combining to produce an image or hologram with deep perspective which is equally applicable to acoustic ELF, VLF and LF waves and optical phenomena. Specifically, the show will consist of multiple holographic images to different parts of the world, each receiving a different image according to the specific national, regional religion"
Oh, Oh, Oh I hope we get a leprauchan !! ;D ;D Or St Patrick with a pint of guinness (Sigh, product placement is everywhere these days)
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"Holographic images in ELF, VLF & LF"
Sounds to me that the government realise they can't tax us anymore as we are all taxed out!
Now they are trying to get the aliens to land and pay into the system too ;D ;D ;D ;D
Suppose When we have all died of Swine Flu and Beubonic plague and there all safe in their underground caves and cities in York, then they will need someone else to sell sell sell to :o :o
Julie ;D
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090807/tuk-mass-swine-flu-pupil-vaccination-con-dba1618.html
no need to worry ...your kids are safe in their hands.....???? :o :o :o
cheers
Russ
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We had our first Swine Flu Death in the 'Republic of Ireland yesterday, a young girl from our part of the country (The West). :'(
She had underlying health problems but what, and her name are not being released yet.
Also heard that it has also claimed a couple of people in Manorhamilton which is mid way between our place and Gavo - getting closer to home now! ???
Julie
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Never fear only the good die young
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Ever the sweet talker gavo ;D ;D ;D
Julie
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090810/tuk-tamiflu-harmful-to-children-dba1618.html
slowly the truth starts to emerge......they are saying this now , but there is already proof out there that Tamiflu has virtually no effect on swine flu ...why is taking so long for them to tell us what they know already ? £££££££££
http://www.ngpharma.eu.com/Glaxos-swine-flu-vaccine/
cheers
Russ
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My daughter gave me a good laugh yesterday. One of her husband's colleagues was describing how they had barrier nursed a young maternity patient who had contracted what they had diagnosed as swine flu. They had been meticulously wearing face masks, washing hands with special liquids, only allowed one midwife in with the poor girl(screaming and kicking as she didn't want to be the one to catch the dreaded lurgy ;)), no relatives allowed in etc etc - real barrier nursing stuff and all highly commendable - until my son-in-law pointed out that the face masks and washing facilities were for the patient and her husband not the staff - to prevent them infecting everyone else with coughs and sneezes! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090816/thl-nerve-disease-alert-over-flu-jab-d831572.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090815/thl-hong-kong-reports-tamiflu-resistant-5effa79.html
if there is no connection between the jab and the nerve disease , then why are they telling doctors to watch and report ? They seem to want their cake and eat it too.... if the jab is so safe ? why did they remove, any possibility of the companies making the vaccine, being taken to court if there were any side effects ? It is safe !!! so therefore, no side effects !!! so therefore, no dead people's families, or people with side effects, taking them to court !!! 'It is safe' ??? or should that read 'Is it safe' ???
Tamiflu .... we were told that the young should have it as soon as they showed signs of the flu !! so they handed it out ad hock to all and sundry ...then we are told that it is unsafe to use on the under 12's ( the British Medical Journal warned the government to "rethink it's policy on giving the drugs to youngsters affected by the current flu pandemic to avoid any unnecessary ill health" )
http://www.managementinpractice.com/default.asp?title=NHSconsideringtrialofvaccineonchildren&page=article.display&article.id=18075
The government then say there is no proof it harms children !! who is telling them this ....??? Surely the BMJ know what they are talking about, don't they ???
http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/08/14/carl-heneghan-and-matthew-thompson-on-tamiflu-in-children-whats-all-the-fuss/
The facts are that Tamiflu only reduces the length of FLU like symptoms by UPTO a day in young children and by UPTO half a day in adults !!! . Tamiflu was not made for swine flu !!! swine flu didn't exist when Tamiflu was made !!!! (or did it ?) how can you make an anti viral, for a virus that doesn't exist ??? At best it can only reduce some symptoms associated with FLU. However, it should not be given for mild flu like symptoms , as stated by the WHO.
Anyone volunteering their kids for the trial of the vaccine ???? 6 mths to 12 years old . No need to worry folks, the government have told us it is safe !!!!
cheers
Russ
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swine flue vaccine has the nerve agent related to gulf war syndrome,
i will try and find the news paper clipping
perhaps if the vaccine dont kill you the government are hoping we will all get depressed and top our selves