The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Smallholding => Land Management => Topic started by: JMB on April 06, 2013, 05:15:44 pm
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Hi.
I bought a few willow plugs ( super willow) from eBay but am not sure where to plant them ( sun, shade etc).
Also they are relatively young so do I plant them out now or should I grow them on in tubs etc ( sorry, I am not a gardener - I just want to grow some willow for my sheep)
I also assume other animals will demolish them so good protection ideas would be helpful.
Thanks
Joanne xxxx
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Just stick them in the ground. You might want to buy some spiral wraps to protect from bunnies. Sheep will need taller tree tubes
Are they just sticks or bare rooted? Not sure what "plugs" entails
Keep well watered and they should grow surprisingly quickly
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I just make a hole about 20cm deep with a dibber and stick them in. I started with 20 bought and then have successively cut branches from those and put them in the ground. I now have over a hundred willows of five different varieties - four for basket weaving and one (Viminalis) for hurdles. They grow like topsy here (Welsh heavy clay soil) and cost nothing beyond the initial startup.
It's a little late to be plating now but willow is incredibly easy to grow so I would just crack on. Everything's a bit late this year anyway I think because of the awful weather we've been having and my willow are barely in bud at the moment.
I kept the stems clear to a height of about three feet and then I coppice them from there.
As spandit says - spirals are a must and very effective.
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They've got roots and come in little plugs of soil.
Thanks for the advice. I'll get some protection for them and get going
J xxxxc
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Cripes - that's fancy!! I just shove sticks in the ground and they go and go ;D ;D
Your's should come up absolutely beautifully JMB :thumbsup: :excited:
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If they're rooted and in soil or compost you can plant them out anytime. Keep them watered and protect from bunnies etc and they'll be 10 feet tall by the end of the summer.
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about the protection - will the willow reach a point where it no longer needs protecting from rabbits? If so, how long does it usually take for them to reach that stage?
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The rabbits will chew the bark off up to as high as they can reach. You'll need to protect them until they get fairly thick and have adult tree bark. Most people coppice willow which means cutting it back to ground level every year or every few years and it's the new shoots that are the bunnies favourite. I've found that my geese are pretty partial to willow as well and they can reach a hell of a lot higher than a rabbit.
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I'm afraid my experience with other trees suggests that rabbits will gnaw through mature bark aswell >:(
I have to say - so far - the plastic spirals have protected ours - even with the heavy snow.
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Yes I just leave the plastic spiral guards on. Trouble is when you want to coppice and get multiple shoots it's difficult to protect them then. We pollard instead which means cutting above the guards leaving a single trunk from which multiple shoots will grow above rabbit height. Largely depends on why you're growing them really.
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Yes - we pollard the willow at about three feet. The hazel is going to be a little trickier but we shall see. The rabbits gave them a real pasting last year and I'm not sure how many survived the onslaught.
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Hi
I've just bought some salix triandra (black maul) willow plugs - they're about 6" high rooted in little plugs. I bought them this way as I wanted to plant in a month's time rather than wait until autumn/winter. I'm assuming it's OK to plant them out into deep pots and grow them on until I'm ready? Why didn't I wait until I was ready?...you may well ask.....!! I don't have the answer.
Any tips welcome.
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I don't see why not! The only disadvantage might be that instead of poking sticks in soil come planting time you'll have to dig holes and make cuts through any membrane you've put down - but if you haven't got hundreds it's not such an issue. This is the 4th year I haven't been ready to plant willow, I will be ready this winter, I WILL!
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From what I've read, the year after you have stuck the rods in the ground, you cut them back down again. If I wanted to pollard them, do I just cut down to a couple of feet and what if there's more than one shoot?
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Depends how you want the willow to grow/what it's for - if you want a multi stemmed tree eg for coppicing then you can cut hard back ie close to the ground after the first year. It will re-sprout lots of stems from ground level, you leave it until each new trunk is the thickness you need before cutting again. If you want the multi stem part to be higher off the ground then cut at the level you want; in either case you'd cut all stems at that point.
What's the reason behind pollarding as opp to just coppicing?
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Keeps the young growth out of the reach of rabbits
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Also - I don't have to bend down to coppice it ;D
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Good reasons, like your thinking!
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we just bought the sticks and stuck them in, a week later they all have shoots on them . we planted a few into tubs ready to plant down the river when the repair work from the flood gets done and I have just been out and checked them to find they already have long roots on them
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Pollarding was used to produce firewood and straight branches, keeping the new growth out of reach from the cattle which grazed the area below the trees. This is a historic method of forestry used in Epping Forest near London. The peasants (can I say that :o :o ) were allowed to collect the branches for firewood but not allowed to cut down the ancient hornbeam trees. History lesson over ;) . Amazing what you can remember from schooldays.
We are pollarding all our willows; it makes brilliant food for the sheep in autumn and early spring. And willow branches in the lambing pens keeps mum happy :yum:
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If we're taking cuttings from existing willow trees, is it better to cut and plant an older 'brown' cutting, or new 'green' growth as the cutting?
Also is there any recommendation on length of cutting? Shoot side shoots be removed?
Thanks.
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To be honest scribble - I don't think it matters one jot. Willows are absolutely AMAZING and get going anywhere.
Personally, I would take a length - about 1m long and a centimetre thick at the base - of this year's growth and stick it in the ground with the buds pointing upwards in January. You just need a proddy stick (we use an earthing pole from the electric fencing) to make a guide hole and then just shove it in the ground.
I started with 25 of five different varieties two years ago and I now have three times that.
I have had 100% take rates on all verieties except for a couple of viminalis stems that the rabbits barked whilst we were waiting for more tree guards to come in the post last winter.
I plant mine through mypex to keep the weeds down but after a couple of years the top cover is such that most weeds won't grow underneath. I plant them 50cm apart. Will send pic once I get home this weekend.
It's very rewarding growing willow. I plan to use mine to make bentwood furniture and hurdles plus some basket weaving.
Have fun :D :D