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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: CarraghsBorderCollies on June 26, 2009, 12:32:15 am
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in case you havent seen the news
michael jackson has died aged 50
rest in peace
the king is dead, long live the king.
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But is he... a bit convenient so close to having to perform 50 concerts that the worlds media never thought he could deliver?
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Hiya all a bit controversity here,
But i would not call him a king (sorry)
Thousands of people die each day but they don't hit the news.
I just get fed up with publicity of famous peoples death as they get blown out of all proportions (they are only human after all).
(btw i am not picking on anyone just showing my opinion of the topic)
Linz
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He'll not be missed by me - and in this case, i can't even say i feel sorry for the kids left behind. :o
MJ probably epitomises, more than anyone else on the planet, what is wrong with the modern cult of celebrity
Abusive parents pushing their kids into the limelight, destroying any natural childhood, living life in public - the highs and lows, does he really have any privacy? any close friends he can trust? everyone is a hanger on - can you even say he was able to enjoy the creative process? instead being forced into meeting the demands of record company contracts, tours, all the hangers on wanting their slice of the $$$$ made on the back of him
the money men want their pound of flesh and they will have it - even if it kills you.
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I thought he was a weirdo, but cant deny he was a fantastic performer who made brilliant songs and videos!
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I wounder if it is sad for the children? maybe they will now have a "normal life" I am not a fan either but he certainly was talented and I do love the song Ben!!
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What's the difference between Michael Jackson and Sir Alex Ferguson?
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Ferguson might play Giggs in August. ;D
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It is always sad when anybody dies, but why all the fuss on tv over MJ ? what did he do ? he wrote a few good songs ....big deal . Every week that goes by we hear of another young soldier killed in Afghanistan , that takes up about 30 seconds maybe? we never hear about the dozens that have their legs blown off or their arms, or all of them , or those blinded , left as a vegetable for the rest of their life? The media wants to get their priorities in order . He was just a bit younger than me , and if I had been bringing all the local little boys into my bedroom for a 'sleep over' ? I would be typing this from prison and I would be on the register for perverts when I came out, no question or doubt about it . So like I say it is always sad when someone dies , but am I sorry for him , NO, will I miss him , NO, is it a big loss for the world NO NO NO . Just my opinion folks ....and anyone who does miss him or whatever , fine no probs.. thats your opinion..... ::) Bring back Gary Glitter....come on ,come on , do you want to be in my gang !!!!! my gang, my gang ? errr I'll give that a miss too... :o ;D
cheers
grumpy ole man
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I wounder if it is sad for the children? maybe they will now have a "normal life" I am not a fan either but he certainly was talented and I do love the song Ben!!
whichever way their life pans out "normal" will not be how anyone can describe it - with or without Jacko
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One thing I would disagree on, due to media etc Micheal Jackson has had an effect on people, love him, hate him or indifferent, the other people who die every day are not known by so many people so therefore do not effect so many, defiantly not better or worse people just people who have fewer facebook friends (wops thats me!) He would also have had some influence on things like fashion, plastic surgery, child care/or not, music, dance etc and may have given inspiration to some people who, if he had not ever been famous would possibly have not been inspired. The strange thing is, like adverts, not all the good ones have the most influence on you ;)
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I heard that he was alive when taken to hospital,but as he passed the children's ward he had a stroke........ Ree
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who die every day are not known by so many people so therefore do not effect so many,
beg to differ their sandy, As mentioned above about the soliders, these people where know by few but make a great lot of difference to lots ,if not their death are wasted !
Linz
(getting fed up with the tv and radio continues appraisel of MJ life. Even got it flashing all over my mobile phone as well !!!!, So much technology is coming to get meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)
(Edit am not picking on you either sandy)
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The strange thing is, like adverts, not all the good ones have the most influence on you
yes.. or make so much money for the media men ....
but why is it that someone who is a paedophile or has hundreds of pornographic pictures of kids on a pc is hounded and vilified ( rightly so ) yet MJ can get away with it, because he has talent ??? on that basis it is ok to be a pervert if you have talent or loads of money to buy off your victims, aka MJ paying one 11 year old (I think ?) victim 20 million dollars to keep their mouth shut !!!! It makes me puke to hear all the peeps on the tv saying lets hope he is remembered for his talent and not the court case ....well I say lets hope all the victims feel the same ..? and there was more than one who's' silence was bought .!!! Why ? if he did nothing wrong ???? Hope that doesn't read like I am having a dig Sandy , I am not.... just putting my view forward , how it appears to me .....
cheers
Russ
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I must say, nothing against Sandy, that I agree with the rest of ye. Was never a fan anyway.
Bring back Guns N Roses though!!
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Oops...CarraghsBorderCollies...looks like your on your own with this one...personally I thought he was only as good as the media made him out to be...talented?...take away the technical showmanship, gizmo's and weird lifestyle and I doubt he would have survived past the early years. All the media coverage just makes me turn off...I don't think the world will miss him...but maybe the media world might!
Not a fan, sorry
farmer
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Can anyone explain to me what this has to do with growing my own food, looking after my animals and enjoying the forum? I have just visited a friend in hospital who has bone cancer and is going through some pretty horrible treatment. I couldn't believe what she wasn't allowed to eat while on this treatment - strawberries, raspberries, bio yoghurt. All things many of us love. She hasn't had any publicity at all for being so brave.
I have more sympathy for her and other brave people like her than Jacko ( to me the name Jacko is synonymous with a monkey)
My apologies if I have offended anyone, just stating my personal and probably too pragmatic view.
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nothing at all to do with food , animals or the forum really Annie . But it was bound to be mentioned at some time in the coffee lounge , as it would in a canteen at work or wherever.
Sorry to hear about your friend , I lost my mum to bone cancer ( well breast cancer that went everywhere including the bones ) so I know what a terrible thing it is . The reason I commented was because I felt sick that so much comment and air time on TV, was devoted to such a weirdo (at best ), paedophile and pervert . So many more people who should get at least some mention but , because they won't earn the media millions £'s , they don't . Then you get all the crap about how fantastic he was and lets forget about all the (at best ) iffy going's on in his bedroom . Like I said before , if I was to have 9 year old boys sleeping in my bed, night after night over years , I would be on rule 43 in nick . If I have offended anyone I don't apologise , I apologise to the kids that were abused, for all the ignorance and hypocrisy and corruption, that led to their abuse being covered up .
cheers
Russ
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No offence taken and I am not a fan but can see the influence he has had, knowone says he's brave, good or worthy just known worldwide, personally I am not into celebraties at all, just my family and friends but if you have any Micheal Jackson records/albuns etc, get them on E Bay!!!!!!!
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of the people he has influenced - can you name some, then, tell me if the world wouldn't be a better place without their "music"
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One for Rusty
Gary Glitter - Michael Jackson
one hounded and chased from country to country - one has endless muppets mourning his passing like he was some messiah
what's the difference?
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go on then what is the difference...? ::) ::)
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One likes little girls?
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no, it was a genuine question, following on from how one has "got away with it" because he's so talented, but one hasn't
both are pop stars (ok, maybe on a different level) but they have been treated very differently by the public for very similar crimes
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oh right I see.. sorry .
Well as you say GG didn't get away with it . Well he got away with a few years in nick instead of getting hung , which was on the cards for that crime out there. But once again bribery and corruption came into play . GG payed his victims a few thousand £ to keep quiet . My comment on bring back GG was just an ironic knock on why should one get away with it and not the other. In my oppinion they should both have been hung . However, MJ was worth enough money to the crap that run his career, that they could pay millions, to I think it was about six abused kids families and about 3 or 4 past workers at Paedophile land, to keep quiet , which they did and he got away with it . No doubt they will make even more money out of MJ in about 3 months time , they will dig him up and remake the thriller video :o, no makeup needed.
cheers
Russ
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Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter and all paedophiles, child abusers, child murders list is endless ..... makes me wish wholeheartedly that Old Harry's Game was for real!!!
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so judge and jury have spoken, we only knew this guy thro headlines in papers we all know there full of sh%%t. the truth will never be known. he was a singer and entertainer first and I thought he was bloody good. however Ill refrain from any sick jokes thanks.............neil
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in his own words, he had boys sleep in his own bed regularly , and although I do not pretend to be a judge, I am qualified to be a juror. I read the court papers that were available at the time of his trial and based on those I would have found him guilty !! I too liked some of his stuff ... Ben, Billy Jean, Thriller etc. but do I think he was a genius no , not unless it is spelt TWAT !!! but that is my oppinion, and there is no law against being a twat . Will I refrain from any sick jokes ....NAAAA
When anybody acts and looks like he did , they deserve what they get ....He was going to record the old English song "I'm forever blowing bubbles " , for some reason he didn't..... ::) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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I was not a fan but as a fellow forum member obviously was with respect to her I don't think sick jokes are what she would like to be reading on a forum where she has expressed her sadness and sense of loss. Also paedophilia is not a subject to be joked about at any time but to do so on this forum where we don't know each others personal backgrounds is out of order. I have been involved in the investigation of child abuse and I can assure the jokers that making fun of the subject is no joke to the victims or their families. rant over.
JD
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I didn't actually make any jokes (sick or otherwise ) about paedophilia . I made them about the person, MJ. The other remark was a comment about GG, who is another sicko , not about the crimes he committed.
cheers
Russ
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Nuff said I think!!
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none of you have mentioned that he was a human being and so it should be wished that he rest's in peace now that his travails are over.
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I wasn't a big fan, but obvioulsy grew up with his music so it's part of my life and there are memories along with it. I don't know the truth about his life any more than anyone else on this forum does, even if they think they do, but he always seemed a sad person, never happy with himself, for whatever reason.
It's sad when anyone dies; obvioulsy it's much sadder when that person has been a part of your life on any basis, even if it is only MJ. Try to be kind.
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I wasn't a big fan, but obvioulsy grew up with his music so it's part of my life and there are memories along with it. I don't know the truth about his life any more than anyone else on this forum does, even if they think they do, but he always seemed a sad person, never happy with himself, for whatever reason.
It's sad when anyone dies; obvioulsy it's much sadder when that person has been a part of your life on any basis, even if it is only MJ. Try to be kind.
I agree. At the end of the day , the man is dead, he leaves three chidren, he led a confused life , despite his fame and wealth.
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Humans are as diverse as animals, but uch more complex. I always like to see the differences and endeavour to understand them but also realise genetics, circumstances and environment create who we are so why should we value one greater or lesser than another? As I said, he has certainly left his mark!!!
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In the news today the family say they are not ready for a funeral - it is too soon! Seems Michael wasn't the only weirdo one of the family. Perhaps if they spent more time at home grieving than going to celebrity functions and putting on the "crocodile tears" so often for the wrolds media they could put the poor man to rest, god knows he deserves some peace in his life. I guess the longer they milk it the more time there is for the money to continue rolling in. What a weird bunch if people this family are!
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Why hasn't the mother of the children got custody? Even if they were sort of surrogate children, surly you would prefer then with you if they had just lost their "known" parent, or am I missing some vital fact out, like the mother was not fit to look after them and in fact, are they actually, genetically Micheals children as he reckoned? nothing wrong with adoption at all but he did say they were his!!!! ummmmmmmmm People soon join on the money bandwagon, I bet stories will come out of the woodwork now!!!!!
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Why hasn't the mother of the children got custody? Even if they were sort of surrogate children, surly you would prefer then with you if they had just lost their "known" parent, or am I missing some vital fact out, like the mother was not fit to look after them and in fact, are they actually, genetically Micheals children as he reckoned? nothing wrong with adoption at all but he did say they were his!!!! ummmmmmmmm People soon join on the money bandwagon, I bet stories will come out of the woodwork now!!!!!
Why would any court give custody of 3 young children to an 80 year old woman??????? Money talks...
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maybe it was the same court that gave custody to MJ in the first place !!!!!
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I think they're 3 different Mothers aren't they ? ???
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" different mothers - one was a surrogate so probably got paid and won't have wanted any more to do with the kid, but might now!, the other two were the same mother but I believe impregnated with another man's sperm - not sure though.
If anyone's wondering why I'm on here, my first plane to Luton was delayed so much I would have missed the connection to the second one so it was all change for flights tomorrow. So having a nice quiet afternoon at teh computer recovering from a stressful morning at Edinburgh airport!
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two different ones I think . Two by one mum and one by another ? So many different stories popping up now it is hard to know what is what. By all accounts the coroner reported that MJ weighed only 8stone 1lb or 113lb , and was nearly completely bald . That he was very emaciated and due to CPR , had suffered some substantial trauma to his body . The only contents of his stomach were pills !!! and he was full of needle marks on his arms , legs and stomach. What a way to go eh ?
cheers
Russ
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Only just logged in and NO work done yet as I have just been to the bank (and shopping) But, I was amazed in the first place Micheal was legally able to have the children, they must therefore be adopted and all of you must know how difficult that one is, oh, not if you have money I suppose, anyone doing or supposidkly been doing the things he DID do, by his own admition, would never be able to adopt, I mean, who sleeps with other peoples children???????? I had felt sorry for him but the world is mad!!!!! poor children, hope they had a good nanny, they certainly would have had lots to play with !!! :D
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Considering the accusations of brutality practised on all the Jackson children by their manager/father how can any court even consider allowing any of those children to be left with those people. However good the mother is/was she still allowed the abuse of her children by her husband. Surely in this more enlightened age the courts will give due diligence to this? Or will they ??
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As I understand it, the two eldest children are by MJ's second wife (remember he married Lisa Marie Presley), who was a dematologist's nurse. they divorced after the second child was born and she did not seek custody. She lives on a horse ranch, saw the children from time to time but didn't feel she was good mother material. The third child, Prince Michael, was by a surrogate mother so presumably was MJ's - how the impregnation happened was not covered in "The Sunday Times".
Children love their parents, even when the parents seem odd, cruel or no-hopers. Sandy will know this from the work she did with young people. Even if they know their parents aren't great, they want them to get better, not go away.
I feel desperately sorry for the three children and I so hope that their lives are better than their Dad's.
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I was a bit disgusted that they are going to put his body on display in Netherland!!!!! urh I wish they would leave him alone and let him rest in peace, someone is milking it a bit!!!
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I have made my views on MJ quite clear, and see no need to reiterate them. However, I think it is more than disgusting, although inevitable, the way the money shite hawks are diving in for their slice of the money, that's to be made out of the death of a human being, and in some cases a close family member. I know he led an extremely pathetic , facade of life ! but why do they have to continue the insanity ? Sadly the fans are as much to blame , they should just walk away and have their memories of happier days , not those of a sad, pathetic, even mentally deranged , faded star !!
cheers
Russ
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Some of you good people are forgetting 2 very important words
NOT GUILTY
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I can't speak for anybody else , but I haven't forgotten anything !!! not even the $20 million, out of court settlement paid to the 11 years olds family (not quite the same as not guilty !!!) , nor the other millions $, out of court settlements to other kids or the millions paid to ex-workers for their silence over "inappropriate touching of young boys by MJ" . Nor do I forget the words that MJ spoke himself , that he had young boys over to stay on a regular basis , who slept in HIS bed while he slept in the same room !!!! Is that the action of a normal 45 year old ? But this is MY view , MY conclusions , not anybody else's . However that aside , I did say that there was no need for me to reiterate my view , the man is dead now !!! He can't argue the point out , so to be fair , I will shut up about what he may? or may not? have done . The people running the debacle since his death have forgotten one word, DIGNITY , strange ?, since they have certainly remembered another one , MONEY !!!!
cheers
Russ
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No he definately wasn't 'normal'! to sleep with young boys at the age of 45! but then he was 'different' and childlike himself, no excuse as far as I'm concerned. BUT we will never know if he ever did or didn't abuse anyone. my guess is that there'll be a few more out of the woodwork claiming abuse in the hope of getting money!!
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Now that he is dead, i expect several "biographies" of "me and Michael" to come out fomr people who had their silence bought
can't slander a dead man, and they kept their mouths shut while he was alive, so they've kept their end of the sordid deals they struck.
time to cash in again -it's the american way you know!
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I think it's time this subject was layed to rest now (no pun intended) There will be lots more as the funeral takes place and the revelations start.
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thats a bit like walking into a pub and telling everyone to stop talking, because you don't like what they are talking about . If you don't like what they are talking about , don't listen to the conversation , or leave the pub . In this case, if you don't want to read about MJ, don't read a thread all about him !!!! If anybody wants to have an argument, then yes that should be done by PM or email, direct person to person . I do understand what you mean though , every tv channel is MJ this or MJ that , and the same with the papers . On this medium (computer forums etc) it tends to be the case nowdays, that if you have a strong opinion on a subject, and voice it , then you are ranting !!! when all you are doing is stating what you believe to be true , your perception of the subject . Unlike conversation face to face though , you lay out those perceptions in one go , it therefore seems that you are having a go or a dig or whatever you want to call it . This post is case in point really. I am not in the least put out by your comment , nor am I having, said dig , go or whatever, just stating that we should feel free to have our say, and not be ruled by the crazy politically correct world that has taken over our lives and our conversations. As yet I haven't read any comment about MJ, that hasn't been on the tv, or in the papers, at some time over the last ten years or so . Let people speak their mind , you don't have to agree with what they say , but they should be free to say it. (as long as they agree with MEEEE !!!!) ::) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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You know something just is not right. Have a look at this video - shot 36 hours before his death. 36 hours later he is apparantly dead and we have all read the appauling description of the frail body etc. I smell shite!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8131776.stm
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wow! I loved the video. thanks.
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The funny thing is, I am not a fan but I am ALWAYS, transfixed by his performances, the last one no exception although I remember a while ago people close to him said he was very frail, however, he was a great showman and who ever posted "what influence has he had on music?" should think again, a lot of Black artists in particular have been inspired by his sucess and breakthrough into mainstream music.
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Having seen clips of yesterdays service I do think the man had an awful life. I will say though that seeing his 3 children unveiled for the first time - he had 3 beautiful children. I hope he finds peace now.
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michael's daughter paris looks to be a lovely girl,
she was very brave during the service,
my heart went out to her!
i would adopt her myself if i could!
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Hi Gem
Totally agree with you with every thing that you have said about Michael PEOPLE should remember that as far as I am aware you are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and as far as I am aware Michael was NEVER found guilty of anything Sorry for shouting but I really liked Michael and I am getting totally P**sed at people leaving or saying negative things about him and not thinking about His poor children or any of the people that liked him and I am possitive there are MILLIONS of them.
Kindest regards
Joe
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That okay Gem and Joe,
These forums just show the diversity of people and their believes :)
Linz
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at micheals funeral service there were many people of different races and religions who obviously loved him so he couldn't have been all bad. Perhaps we should take less notice of the rubbish the tabloids print and remember the pleasure he gave to millions.
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My sentiments exactly
Kindest regards
Joe :) :)