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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: firemansam on February 27, 2013, 10:25:52 pm
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Just seen cade lambs for sale at £45 each, a few more at £40. In that case what price would they want with mum :o
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Cade lambs at Sedgemoor have been doing a roaring trade with like you say, some reaching £45 and many around the £30-£35 mark. Ewes with single lambs at foot were reaching circa £180 and with twins over £200 last Saturday. The prices for sheep are on the way up again - hoggs are around the £75 mark with some dearer than that. The overall average was well up on that of previous weeks. Good news - unless you are looking to purchase cade lambs of course! Gone are the days when you could drop in on a local farmer and he would give you a couple of cade lambs for free!
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There are still plenty of folk expect to pay nowt for them tho or next to nothing you only have to look on preloved for the 'loving home' adverts
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It was widely predicted that the price of sheep/lambs would go up in the spring. Grass has run out for people trying to overwinter their own sheep schmalenberg in early lambers has cut that lamb crop and there is a long lead-in time for NZ lamb.
I imagine it'll go down again early summer.
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Lambs going for between £35 and £40 at markets in the south west going on the weekly reports. We bought our lambs for £10 this year, however will pay up to £20 which I think is fair.
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last March I picked up 3 cades, double tagged, castrated with 36 hours of colostrum for ....free! how lucky was I?! amazing what price they are reaching on the market. THis farmer didn't know us but had been given our number by the vet who recommended us to him. Did give him a bottle of homemade plum wine in return ;)
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These prices are just daft! If you consider that finished lambs are only making £1.50/kg at best :-[
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No its not, its people reading trends and predicting a shift. Butchers the country over are seeing -Pre christmas trade levels in their slackest month of the year, My customers for my Christmas Mixed boxes are re-ordering now for "anything I have available" even though I only traid at xmas. What have Tesco anounced at the NFU?
British Agriculture is about to see a revitalisation and anyone who has put off sows or ewes to reduce there costs this year is going to be kicking themselves. This is the time for (granted large farms) to activly seek contracts as the banks will start to lend for expansion again.
Makes me wonder if I should hire a labourer, put up a shed and buy a 30head of Angus, Iv got the land for it just not the infastructure.
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British Agriculture is about to see a revitalisation
Let's hope so. :fc:
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I agree, the lamb crop in Schmallenberg areas has been hit hard; there have been significant ewe deaths and poor scans up North in flukey areas - there will be a shortfall of lamb this year.
And hopefully there will be an impact of neddyburgergate on top of that.
Now can someone tell me why you still can't get any money for a pig in any shape or form ???
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Pig prices seem to be slightly on the increase too at my local market with more interest from buyers :fc:
Store Pigs (95)
A smaller entry of 95 Store Pigs of mixed quality met more interest,
especially for better quality and stronger types. Best 8 w/o Whites to
£30 and stronger feeding pigs to £67 and £56. Best pigs from
Mr M Cutter, Mr G Phelps and Mr J Blackmore.
Fat Pigs (140)
Good entry of 140 Fat Pigs met plenty of interest for quality. Lights to
£98, mediums to £126 and heavies to £129. Best sorts from
Mr C Chilcott, Messrs LE Miller & Son, Mr R Turner, Mr M Cutter,
Glamorgan Vale, Messrs P & T Reakes, Messrs R & J Persey and
Mr TWT Palmer.
Cull Sows (13)
Trade has firmed for Cull Sows, when the best of the 13 forward sold to
£200 from Messrs P & T Reakes and £170 Mr A Cooper.
Boars (7)
Sold to £169 Mr A Cooper.
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These prices are just daft! If you consider that finished lambs are only making £1.50/kg at best :-[
You have to bear in mind that we are about to loose a large abattoir in this area so there will be no-one who will purchase directly off farm and there will be even less competition between buyers at the local market.
Welsh Country Foods were processing 8,000 lambs a day - the loss of that parket is bound to have a downward effect on lambs in North West Wales .....but I will be more that happy to be proved wrong.
I still say that £45 is a daft price for a cade lamb even if prices nationally are going to rise!
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So what IS a fair price then do you think?
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So what IS a fair price then do you think?
I would have thought that the price paid at market is the only way to establish exactly what a fair price is...
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You do have a good point there Blacksheep, LOL!
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Plus you have to bear in mind that £45 was for an older virtually weaned lamb. You can still pick up cade lambs at the same market sale as the £45 lamb sold at for circa £10 - the tiny little dot of a lamb ;).
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sorry to be a froob, but what is a cade lamb?
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A cade lamb is another name for an orphan/bottle fed lamb.
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ahh, ok, thanks very much :)
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So what IS a fair price then do you think?
I never said £45 wasn't a fair price - I said it was a silly price ;)
Plus you have to bear in mind that £45 was for an older virtually weaned lamb.
That makes it less silly - tbh if we get a bottle lamb we generally try to find a neighbour who has a ewe that has lost her own and give them the lamb on the understanding that they have to keep it regardless of whether or not the ewe accepts it.
They are just too much trouble.
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I was given four cade lambs free 7 years ago and when I went to pick them up they had added another two! The four ewes turned out to be prolific lambers and considering my pedigree Ryeland ram was £40 I didn't do bad - unlike last year which more than cancelled out my profits!
I bought a couple of cade ewe lambs in last spring for £15 each, the farmer that brought them said he had just seen them advertised in the paper for £40 so I was getting a good deal :thinking:
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Now can someone tell me why you still can't get any money for a pig in any shape or form ???
Simple between the cost of Imported poor welfare pork and the "not for profit" smallholders selling their wares in the open market the Public has an extremely distorted view of what pork costs and no comprehention of what it takes to bring a pig to weight.
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Unless you sell Mixed meat boxes of say Beef, Lamb and Pork the next best/only way to see profit on pigs is high quality sausages, these can bring in a penny a gram with ease.
Have the butcher make some shorties at 3" vacuum them in packs of 2, make some awesome labels (like mine) and go round an affluent area knocking on doors and handing them a postcard and pair of bangers.
Once you have given away 10kg I suspect you will have so much demand you will have to start a waiting list.
But do them justice, charge a fair price- A penny a gram.
The kind of people who will call you or email at that price will be the ones who appreciate quality and care about the provenance and welfare of the pigs/pork, and now is the time, rarely has there been such an opportunity for a foodie entrepreneur.
Also take your pigs to 130kg live weight, the shoulders and legs are immense and you will have super back bacon and Pancetta to offer too.
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So what IS a fair price then do you think?
Given that a orphan lamb will consume approx 10kg of milk powder (£20), say a 25kg bag of creep (£8), wormer and heptavac £3-4 depending on how many lambs, kill and cut £25, plus hay/straw I'd say £20 is at the top end of a fair price. £10 minimum.
After reading this thread I looked back at the most recent market report for Exeter (nearest market to us that sell orphans regularly) and last week they fell in price av. £11.90, top price about £18, and a few small lambs sold for less than £10. Possibly because more farms are lambing now, therefore more lambs available, whereas only a few farms lamb as early as January and a lot were hit by schmallenberg (sp) which reduced lambs on the ground even more...
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They are just too much trouble.
Yep, for me too. I wont keep them around, but neither will I be trying to get £45 for mine... ;D
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Some farmers round here will give cade lambs, rather than have the hassle of bottle feeding Suppose when they are busy lambing, the extra work of cades is not welcome.. Have seen some very sorry looking specimens in the markets. Do wonder who buys them, and if they survive.
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I'm after a couple of lambs I'm from Yorkshire can anyone help I will pay
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From Northern Ireland here I have 12 plus 2 goats and have never gave anymore than a 5er
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It really depends on the genetics of the sheep. I would be expecting to pay that for a really tip top ram lamb, a triplet naturally, from a well known and good breeder, however if they're crap then yes the price is a little daft. The thing is because farmers are not getting a lot for their lamb they're starting to sell lambs at this price to people who are, shall we say, new to keeping sheep, so for them they wouldn't know much difference. If I was selling my cade lambs they would go for between 20-25 £'s £25 for the females and £20 for the males. Please don't let me rant on the prices of lamb I will never stop, someone hold me back quick!!!!! :rant: :roflanim:
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This page and its prices are 3 years old ???? :roflanim:
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This page and its prices are 3 years old ???? :roflanim:
Still not far off on price though. I work at Exeter market and average price of cade lambs has been about £12.50 this year