The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: deepinthewoods on February 11, 2013, 09:52:09 am
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i do feel for that poor baby who had its finger pulled off by a fox, mother had to kick the thing off as it was dragging babe out the door.
boris has called for people to stop feeding them, someone has propsed a cull.
perhaps channel 4's 'foxes live' program wont be shown again...
i wonder if now this has happened all these stoopid townies and animal rescue charity efforts will realise their mistake and start trapping and despatching instead of illegally moving them to rural areas.
over the last few months it has been noticable that the forum has loads of fox attack threads.
hopefully, something will be done. but i doubt it, the rspca will probably jump in and prosecute people instead.
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Very true, a horrible thing to happen and lets hope someone has the balls to do something about it. On the news one of the guys they spoke to said he was coming home early in the morning and saw 25 foxes on the road, they are going to have to cull surely.
It won't be long before someone is actually killed by one and most probably it will be a baby due to size and lets hope all the bunny huggers can live with that on their conscience
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Hmmm hate to be cynical BUT was it really a fox that bit the baby ??? reasons why
how did it get in the house, weather is awful this time of year you wouldn't be leaving your doors wide open? would a fox really climb a flight of stairs to find a baby and why wasn't it spotted sooner by the parents what were they doing?
Don't know why but things just don't quite add up with this one.
Agree that town foxes just shouldn't be rounded up and dumped in the countryside, they can't cope so should be PTS humanely.
Mandy :pig:
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Apparently it got in the back door which was waiting to be repaired by the council. I must admit when I first read it I thought it was a compensation scam but that is probably because I'm an old cynic.
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I also wondered how the fox got into the house in the first place, but it could have come in through a cat flap I suppose.
Wasn't there a case a couple of years ago that a fox was found in a babys room?
But something definately needs to be done.
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The numbers of urban foxes in the 1960's hadn't changed since the 1930's . Since the 60's the numbers crashed due to mange . Most places , the numbers recovered , others have not done so yet . Other places the numbers have grown , but so to have the towns and cities too !
Truth is very few 'incedents' with foxes occur , but the myth grows , so do the headlines .
Parents cause far more harm to children than foxes do , when do we start to cull them ?
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Have to say I'm with Rusty on this.
Fox attacks are amazingly rare. On the basis of this all domestic dogs in homes with children should be culled or rehomed. Deaths from pets are rare but more frequent than fox attacks.
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The numbers of urban foxes in the 1960's hadn't changed since the 1930's . Since the 60's the numbers crashed due to mange . Most places , the numbers recovered , others have not done so yet . Other places the numbers have grown , but so to have the towns and cities too !
Truth is very few 'incedents' with foxes occur , but the myth grows , so do the headlines .
Parents cause far more harm to children than foxes do , when do we start to cull them ?
Difference now is, nutters feed em.
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heard someone say today - "that they should allow fox hunting in the towns" am waiting to see whats left after a pack of hounds has gone through someones garden. :excited:
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I'm not into the idea of using this as an excuse to legalise fox hunting - its a numbers game out there - if it can happen it probably will, its not a reason. Infact the logic actually harms the pro lobby.
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I think some 'nutters' always have .
I grew up on the outskirts of London , next to Northolt airport , and i knew people who fed hedgehogs , badgers , feral cats and foxes .
My mother grew up in Acton , and she knew people back in the late 1930's who fed foxes . Her mum worked for a doctor who had a pet fox in the 1920's , there used to be a picture of nan with the fox !
Not really that much that hasn't happened before . Just now there are more ways for corrupt people with 'agendas' to get on tv or in the paper etc etc
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Perhapse people like Boris Johnson should try to eliminate the vermin in Westminster . Plenty there that cause far more death and injury than any fox .
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From twitter - "since they stopped fox hunting, children are eating horses and foxes are eating children".
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Just read in the Daily Fail that the RSPCA have a leaflet advising people what to leave in their garden in towns if they want to encourage foxes!! chicken and potatoes apparently ::)
Being a sceptical person, ahem, I did wonder if maybe a family dog did this and the family are trying to get out of having the dog destroyed but that's just me. Always suspicious. Hard to believe the foxy went all the way upstairs and knew what to do, where to go etc...
I had 2 of these making a new litter of the things right under my bedroom window early this morning. Scared me silly.
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Being a sceptical person, ahem, I did wonder if maybe a family dog did this and the family are trying to get out of having the dog destroyed but that's just me. Always suspicious. Hard to believe the foxy went all the way upstairs and knew what to do, where to go etc...
Mmm, yes I did wonder that too.
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I had 2 of these making a new litter of the things right under my bedroom window early this morning. Scared me silly.
Don't be scared Plumbs, it's called sex , tell you all about it when you're a big girl.. :innocent:
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I've heard that story before, years ago - that a fox climbed up the stairs and attacked a baby in its bedroom.
Hmmm, maybe the biggest bogeyman we have now in Britain is a fox.
It seems unlikely but hey, perhaps people are making them too tame.
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Well I quite believe that it was a fox that got the baby. Being small fox would only see the child as food. We have had the experience of what happens when a hand reared fox is dumped back in the countryside. Not scared of me or my 2 german shepherds who were in the back garden just feet away from fox with chicken in its mouth while i screamed and shouted at it. that fox came back 3 times and each time I chased it for its life. In the end farmer friend shot it as it was in the middle of trying to help itself to one of his cats. People in the village feed them and they come and go just like stray dogs when ever they like, sunbath in their gardens in full view. Being a wild animal you can never tell what they will do. Look at the dingo who took the baby all those years ago. If a pet dog can go for a child so can the fox.
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there was a tame fox in the village up from us last year. he would walk around the village like a dog, he would sit in the street while people videoed him for utube etc. my friend had hens in her garden and he went in the there, killed a chicken and sat on the grass to eat it, infront of the kids/family too. no fear what so ever. in the end he got shot.
a tame fox is dangerous as the wild killing instinct is still there, but the flight one isnt.
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New campaign to legalise the hunt in 3.... 2.... 1.......
Sorry, I'm a cynic I know but it ain't just the fox that stinks in all this.
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Fox attacks are amazingly rare. On the basis of this all domestic dogs in homes with children should be culled or rehomed. Deaths from pets are rare but more frequent than fox attacks.
We only hear of the attacks on humans, there are many many attacks on pets and near misses with humans.
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There 'may' be many attacks and near misses on pets etc , but if they aren't reported and validated then they are just speculation and no more .
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I tend to think that the urban fox, is a fox in the wrong place , it is there as it can survive . eliminate the food and stop feeding them and after a few years they will revert back to doing what foxes do (hunt rabbits and take your prize chickens) . I mind chatting to a game keeper that was out lamping foxes one night , he turned on his lamp in the middle of a field and couldnt believe it when around 12 came running at him , he thinks its urban fox that have been taken up the glen and dropped off. the lamp going on must be like a security light going on and they think they will be fed . stop feeding them and they will move on. We are doing the same with seagulls , look how far they are inland now , our program with them is to take the eggs as they nest every year in the same place they are hatched . The program is to keep taking the eggs till the ones that were hatched there die and then the link will be stopped and cut down the population of gull nesting on roofs . as a gull lives for 30 years this is how long it will take to get results . same can be done if people dont feed foxes they are wild animals and will fend for themselves and move to where food is (in the countryside where they should be
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But that will never happen as there is that much waste human food that its easy pickings for the fox thats why there are so many urban foxes. No control so the urban fox will do well enough evolution at work.
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Anyone else think that fortnightly collections of bins could be a contributing factor to this fox problem, as the bins are fuller tempting the foxes into the towns for quick and easy pickings.