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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: happygolucky on January 30, 2013, 02:42:44 pm
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We have a lot of interest in our house and it may be under offer soon and then again it may not BUT,
we are looking again, trouble is we can move anywhere BUT, it needs to be near a train station or within around 5 miles give or take a mile or 2
I like semi rural with a shop or something but happy rural if on a bus route
I would love to be near a dog walk but at least in walking distance of one
Central Scotland is preferred as we both have loads of job opportunities in the area, up and down from the borders to the highlands.
My dilemma is do we buy brand new or less than 10 years old?
Do we buy charactor that's expensive so will push us financially?
Also I notice loads of houses in S Lanarkshire, some with land, we have around £160,000 tops, before we view any in S Lanarkshire where there are ideal links to both capitals, where would you TAS mates suggest? I have again seen a lot I love but my husband is less than happy moving away from here, Clackmannanshire!!
Ideas? Help?
or do we buy something that needs work but is in an ideal location yet cheap to buy?
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We live in an old cottage and I do love where we are. If we had the money we would build a house that was cheap to heat, easy to look after, also must have big rooms and lots of storage space. Buying something that needs work. Well we did that and 17 years later still trying to get finished. Its a constant drain on any money we have. I often think we would have been cheaper knocking things down and starting from scratch. go for something that suits you both and take your time if you can. its a buyers market.
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Sabrina that's what we think....I just spoke to the Esate agents in the house that needs work and they said, they are open to offers, even so there are more things wrong with that house than things right, the dog friendly bit is not that good their either although its next to a lovely walk the house has steps up etc....all one room for the lounge that's big so would need heating and just a gas fire so we would want a log burner...
I think you just re affirmed...I hate estate agents, there was one who came here but we did not go with them as they were far too pushy, well some houses we like are with them and one says DAMP, but they said no its worm that's cheap to deal with and we know how cheap that is but the report said damp....I hate the fact that that estate agent has a few houses we may look at, still, if we do get an offer we certainly will put an offer in that's lowish and if they do not like it they can lump it!!!
We actually have seen a few tiny houses that would be good but too remote.......I do not want to be in a remote location as an old git!!!! :innocent:
A large house takes large money to do things like decorate, re carpet or heat.....at least that's def one house struck off, even if it was dirt cheap!!!!!Thanks :wave:
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Location, location, location - it's the thing you can't change.
What about this?
http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=105856 (http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=105856)
Or this http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=104964 (http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=104964)
Or this http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=105225 (http://www.tspc.co.uk/details.asp?id=105225)
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I adore the one with sea views, right up my street, can see me sitting on the decking with a
glass, bottle or single malt :excited: :excited: .... :wave:
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My three houses, 40 hektare cost 13000 pound and it is 1 mile from a railway station :roflanim:
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And I did get the right nr. of nuls behind the 13 :roflanim:
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OK, put the deposite down Rosemary....... :eyelashes:
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Carsnootie is full of golfers HGL, Rosemary is trying to fill it with smallholder types :D .
What about the Big Country HGL, Perthshire area / Stirling Area, great hills and nice and central.
With my architect's head on I'd say think of your running costs - newer is warmer and that's where your money will go and buy as much land as you can - you can always rent it out and have an income. Get a return from whatever you buy, even if it's extra kennels you can rent out or a querky shed you can rent out for 'glamping'.
If you buy on the edge of a village you might be allowed to sell a bit of your garden as a house plot.
Don't get swept away by something just because it's fab - there are lots of fabs out there. And also look at the for rent market - lots of people would possibly sell you what they are having to rent out.
And check out small time solicitor/estate agents, they may have a gem that's gone un-noticed because they're not in the big windows :wave:
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well iv just cut the wood for my new build and i can say that things are very expensive pellet stove under Flore heating mains cable corner glass etc the newer the better 5 carpinters 500 pound a day to make the timber frame
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So if you have £160,00 and say bought a house and plot of land for £50,000 you would have £110,000 to do it up as you would like - buy bits for the outbuildings ( included in the purchase price) , BE A SMALLHOLDER and have a £100,000 in the bank. If you buy a good size plot and have outbuildings for the animals etc then your day to day costs are minimal. Then you may even have the chance to sell stuff or have other income .Bingo ! - no work. We did it and have just 12 years before the pension kicks in.
A final thought. So many people on this site complain about mud, snow and dark winter days. There are places that offer fewer challenges than the far north.
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It's always a difficult one, HGL, but I would agree with goosepimple, that you go for something cheaper to run and get land. Good luck.
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Oh I love perthshire and stirling area but also love around Dundee..in fact I have seen loads of areas I love, most land is in Lanarkshire, we moved near to Strathaven at first, that was cute little place and near to Hamilton, Lanark etc.........I never thought of asking about rental properties to buy, I did think about making a little note to post in areas I did like and looked in our price range as some people may want to move but waiting until the market picks up, if they got a buyer lined up they could save on costs. I am trying to persuade Mr to move to a different area......must be near a train as he does not drive YET......
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Difficult, old or new house? Character charm and lovely high ceilings in the olds, but wind tunnels hard to heat, problems if listed etc. New houses? Yuk, all the same, no character, over insulated so the damp stays inside. I'd go for an earthship if i were able to choose, not in lanarkshire though, too many old mines that suddenly cave in, especially with all the wet, and there are so many unsavoury places in Lanarkshire too, although there must be good bits somewhere. I spoke to someone here in Somerset who had left lanarkshire as her village had been filled with rough tough families from glasgow who were paid thousands to move out into the village, then turned it into a slum. I just can't think of a nice bit of lanarkshire i'm afraid, though the new market is grand, well it won't be so new now but it was when i lived in scotland. Sleep well!!
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My three houses, 40 hektare cost 13000 pound and it is 1 mile from a railway station (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/Smileys/default/rofl.gif)
Really???? :huff: nothing like that around here.......maybe we should widen our field....
so Lanarkshire is out then? no wonder there are so many cheap places there..I loved it where we were in S Lanarkshire...it WAS mostly raining though :raining: :raining:
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We advertised in Scottish Farmer long time ago as a 'considerate professional family looking for etc .....' and we had over 40 people calling us. People sometimes want to know who they are selling a house or building too, partic if it's a farmer.
I've also seen adverts up in the notice boards of nice villages of people looking for a house in the area.
We once put notices through people's doors in an area we fancied.
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We moved from Clackmannanshire to Airth last June, still really central and not too far away from family.
Lots of good dog walking and have a few local shops. We looked for around 6 months but only viewed 2 houses because we knew more or less what we wanted.
Good luck.
AnnS
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I have seen a nice new house in Airth...also Cowie...backing onto fields....I love Airth Castle for coffee but not eaten there yet!!! Cowie seems nearer to Stirling and good for transport links....
I know Clackmannan has a bad reputation but I love it here....it suits me :thumbsup:
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We're the cottage at the side of the burn near the entrance to the Castle. There's a few in Kincardine for sale and there's also a lodge house near Bogside with a paddock.
AnnS
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I saw that one in Bogside...I love the idea but....my husband doesn't he keeps saying he would live in a town in a small flat....not for me....I would rather a small house thats not too posh near open countryside or a forest....although saying that, the one we viewed near the forest we both loved but too much to be done, there was not one thing that did not need doing. This house has flat acsess all around back and front, but the one near the forest was up and down steps with no spererate room down stairs just in case...we had an offere excepted on a similar one but thats now gone, that ticked all the box's.....I love one thats off the beaton track with forest in the back and it was used for a holiday home but far too remote for some one who cannot drive and I suspsect it gets cut off in bad weather.......
We are waiting to see now but I suspect the house may sell soonish...although the longer we stay the more of the morgage is payed off...thats positive and if we have some sunshire the bills will be cheaper.
My dream home would be not necessarily a bungalow but at least have a room downstairs to use as a bedroom, a down stairs shower, a large kitchen with a Rayburn or Aga, I do not even mind open plan, then a log burner in a small lounge with a view and maybe a conservatory looking onto woodland,,,up stairs shower room etc and maybe 2 bedrooms, as for land, not too bothered but it would be a bonus,...2 of the 3 houses we looked at kept chickens like us......We even looked at the tiny house in Forest Mill and the Cafe........the tiny house is a tad too tiny but you could poss put a conservatory on the back as inside is quite modern and pretty,,,but then I think about being an old git with no car..mind you, there are building a new village there so maybe :thinking: :thinking: If we did go for the tiny house its right next to the shoot and the disused train line for doggie walkies...our dogs go mad up there but I get worried about the road and livestock......
I would move to where Rosemary suggested and while I was looking last night with my back to the TV, I kept hearing them say over and over again, Broughty ferry, everyone, including Steve loves it there and I have now seen pretty places near there so who knows???????
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'The Ferry' as it's known (I'm a Dundee lass originally) is fab but pricey, everyone in Dundee either wants to live there or at the west end of Dundee (the University side). Wormit on the other side of the river Tay (fife side) is a nice place, lovely houses. Or Dundee out west towards Perth has some great wee places too, worth a drive - you can't beat the sea HGL. We have a great place here in the Borders but it's still not the sea - it's that quality of light you just don't get in the country and that salty air ...... stop, I'll be moving again..
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Steve, my husband always has said he loves the sea, I love forests......so a combi of both would be fantastic...a walk on the beach would also be fantastic...especilay after watching this mornings news about a dog walker picking up some whale poo or sick thats worth £££££££ that way we could buy a house outright....now off to see what I can find on the Forth "beach" ha aha :roflanim: :roflanim:
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Just bumped into a friend from Clackmannan who's daughter is going to put her house on the market soon...not sure what its like but the area its in is lovely....so who knows, she has 4 dogs and so it obviously has a dog friendly garden....fence, gate etc
When/ If we get an offer I will put some cards in the area we fancy to see if any people are thinking of selling, I still keep thinking " location location location" the location we love has a house that needs so much doing to it but its a place I would enjoy being an old git in.....Before we move up to Scotland we lived in one of the cheapest private houses in the most expensive area, it was stunning there and the house was very sweet, open fire and allotment at the back (with a puma according to my posh neighbour who fancied my husband)...we had well over 40 viewings and 4 sales and tons of offers , glad it went in the end to a wonderful play writer for the BBC who's disabled daughter went to the School up the road.......ideal for them......
I do so want a nice little place that's me.....it may be the last time I move so no way do I want to put up with something that does not suit my charactor, Steve's not so fussed, he would have a warm box in Falkirk :roflanim: :roflanim: Rosemary knows what I love :innocent: THANKSSSSSS
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At least if Steve's not too fussed it makes it easier than if you both have very different ideas. I was watching an old Escape to the Country today on iplayer while doing some knitting, and there was a couple who both wanted different things - one wanted modern and in a town, the other wanted period and in the country.
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We just watched Location x 3 and there was a similar couple...but they did find a house....I like all sorts of houses but it has to have that feeling!! :innocent:
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location is everything. im moving cos i dont like being so close to the village and interferring people. if i could pick up the farm, ping off a few neighbours and move it i would. ;D ;D
our next place has to be right next to the beach, where i can walk the dogs without putting their leads on / or have to drive a car to get there.
after seeing a few floods in different countries, we will be careful on how high up we are too.
im fed up with huge bills in our big house so its definitely a smaller house and lower council tax next time. i hate being cold and skint. ::) ::)
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Could not agree more Pheonix, I am always cold and skint, even in summer and we actually are doing very well as a business, we run this huge place on a tiny income and still manage. I also would love to walk the dogs without a lead, that doer upper is a place next to where I walk anyway......no leads required, I have never had crap neighbours, although when the children were growing up one person in our close was horrid, but no one liked them at all, I would hate to live in a small hamlet with a load of busy bodies, we actually like to keep ourself to ourself....nothing worse than living somewhere with bad neighbours.....actually here they are super duper......
I hope to get my husband thinking outside the box....BUT.....he is also thinking about income.....he currently works in Dundee, Edinburgh, Glasgow and sometimes Oban and Alexandria, he may be working in Falkirk and often gets job offers in the borders...so a central area, that idea of the beach sounds fab...to both of us a basic home with a fire next to lovely dog walks is far more important than a posh house miles from dog walks.....we actually have walks all around us here but we do need a dog lead!!! Not sure why this is brown? what on earth have I done? arh well!!!
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Why was I brown? :thinking:
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Why was I brown? :thinking:
maybe u won a prize... :excited:
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I know :excited: I know :excited: as my spelling is not good ;) I copied your tag Pheonix and then, after pasting it scrubbed it, the tags are brown!!! It was early.
Just watching the auction programme and I realise why I am so concerned where I live next. We earn a good income from our house here, when we move i will have to work (I do have work if needed) I also am 60 and with the slow market cannot see me wanting to sell up again.....the last thing I want is to be stuck in a house I am not that fond of and regret moving to...only one house I was not keen on in the past but it was a great house for children. I also do not want to miss an oppertunity.....I am having sleepless nights and restless days, thats never ever happened before....we could rent for a while but would loose money and our morgage here is less than some rentals.......arh well, back to the drawing board!!
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Make a list of pros and cons, a wish list - you hear all the time on these house programmes about 'ticking the right boxes'. Use this list when looking for a property.
When I was going to build my house the first thing my architect nephew said was sit down and make a wish list, get quotes, decided what exactly you can afford. Then pare down that list to match the budget. You hear time and again Phil Spencer saying that there is always compromise in house buying. Only you and Steve together can decide what that compromise is. You have found that although a large old house is beautiful, it takes a lot of money to keep it up to standard, and to keep it warm.
I did what Lindsay told me at and managed to build a beautiful high quality 4 double bedroom house for £138K, lived in it for 2 years till the kids persuaded me to move here beside them then sold it for more than double.(Admittedly as an accountant I knew where to find bargains and could whittle quotes down to where I wanted them, and I already owned the land as part of the croft)
I don't LOVE my house, I only LIKE it (that's my compromise), but it is a very sensible home for me as I get older - easily heated, easily maintained, with an enclosed garden, plenty of room, and picturesque too, handy for transport links of all kinds - and not in a bad part of Clackmannan (It's not ALL got a bad reputation :innocent:)
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I know Anne, we actualy do like it here and are/have looked at houses in the area....trouble is that list of pros and cons is more difficult as I see places I like that are newish but then I cannot see me enjoying living on estates, then places I like that are older and again, too cold and too expensive or too remote.......keep seeing stunning ones around Stirlingshire but not near public transport.
The house we wanted WAS ideal but some one else bought it as our offer disapeared, they ended up selling it for less than our offer.......it was dog heaven......we still have not sold so no rush but I cannot make my mind up.......we could either go tiny or not so tiny, newish or oldish.....I am getting more and more confused.......
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Sandy,
I think you will find that once you get a firm offer on your property it will concentrate the mind and help you to focus on what you really want/need.
Good luck with it. House moving is horrible at the best of times.
Sally
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Reading this thread i think you need to go on 'Escaped to the Country' or LLL with Phil & Kirstie! :thinking: Why not apply nothing to lose?
best of luck whatever you decide.
Mandy :pig:
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Mandy...Location Location was what brought us up here...the one about a couple moving to a B&B, I have actually been in touch with them since AND..I had an interview to go on that programme but they did not want us...and we found this house pretty quick....I would love them to help us, my Steve resembles Phil a tiny weeny bit (hair)
That's me off now..I am getting fed up with being so undecisive myself...viewing more on Sat then a treat as we have been invited to a game supper at a good friend in Perthshire...thats another place I would adore to live....I would also love to live IN Stirling, there is a cottage there but its not great, they would take an offer but its a middle cottage with no room to put a toilet downstairs as its shared access and its in a farmers land up a tight lane near the main road...so no no no on all counts...!!
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You are probably right to keep looking no matter how unsettling it is. My sister and brother in law were on holiday when their house in Inverness sold, and they had 3 weeks to get packed up and move down here. Luckily they had already seen a house they liked and were able to put in an acceptable offer immediately. They also got access straight away as the old lady who owned it had died, but they couldn't move in for 2 months as it needed so much work done on it. They were able to stay with me for a bit and then their son. If you buy a do-er upper as Phil and Kirsty call them, you may have to live in one room at a time as you do it up - or rent temporarily. So make sure you have enough in the budget for that, and for all the legal fees and costs. You can get an estimate for that from your lawyer.
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We have a few in mind and depending on what we get for this, we could be mortgage free and I have seen plenty of cheap 1 bedroom places that I actually love......all for well under £100,000...so we always have that option, the couple that came last may get back as he is an architect and this would suit some one who wants to put their own stamp on a grand house...the other couple have a house to sell first.....then the one we really wanted was sold, done and dusted in 4 weeks so, yes, we thought we would have a look around just in case and get our minds sorted. Funnily enough, there are a few very modern houses, 2 are very very cheap and have wonderful views, so, if we get an offer soon, I think that's what we will go for as then we can add a log burner like you did Anne....forgot how much that cost but being mortgage free we should afford something!!! then make it more like we want, like you said, newer houses are much cheaper to heat etc and the 2 or even 3 we love have stunning views, so that's one good thing at least.........so....I feel much more settled...the log burner peeps said they could install one almost anywhere depending on flue height etc, well with a small bungalow with nothing around it, no probs...(then I could have my Landy) :excited: :excited: :excited:
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Yep, location is the thing though - because you can't change it.
We love it here - it's less than 2 miles to the town but it's rural. We can hear the sea and it's a couple of miles walk across the golf course. We have neighbours but not too close, although they are nice. It's 15 minutes drive to Dundee, then 20 minutes to Perth, an hour to Edinburgh by train (although Carnoustie has a station too but trains are more frequent from Dundee).
And Carnoustie is a "proper" town - greengrocer, butcher, hairdresser, loads of beauty salons ::) , Co-op, library, health centre, leisure centre - but feels small. And we've 950 hectares of Barry Buddon, when the Army's not using it ;D
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Yep, location is the thing though - because you can't change it.
We love it here - it's less than 2 miles to the town but it's rural. We can hear the sea and it's a couple of miles walk across the golf course. We have neighbours but not too close, although they are nice. It's 15 minutes drive to Dundee, then 20 minutes to Perth, an hour to Edinburgh by train (although Carnoustie has a station too but trains are more frequent from Dundee).
And Carnoustie is a "proper" town - greengrocer, butcher, hairdresser, loads of beauty salons ::) , Co-op, library, health centre, leisure centre - but feels small. And we've 950 hectares of Barry Buddon, when the Army's not using it ;D
It'll be handy for watching the shooting events at the Commonwealth Games though, you could let out the caravan :excited: - so long as they're not cockerel haters :roflanim:
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So...met a friend and had a long chat...they say all thier money goes on thier old house too and cannt save for holidays etc like us....so...we looked at newer properties and thought with a bit of tweeting they would be great, found a couple next to doggie walkies and going to look a loads more.....THEN..went to another friends house and its a cottage just outside a village with a log burner a rayburn and in the open countryside....and all newly done up, they only rent but now I am very confused as my heart wants that country cottage ideal but my head wants new but def non estate.....off to see a country cottage in a mo....the confusion is doing my head in...We NEED done up but I need semi rural!! ::)
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Sandy, at least you are begining to narrow it down a bit. So thats semi-rural and already done up.
That should be do-able.
We looked at loads and loads before we moved. It was only by looking at such a lot that I realised I wouldn't be able to live in a place that needed lots doing to it.
Its true that we could have got a place with more land if we were prepared to do more to the property but that would have been at the cost of my sanity.
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we just saw a lovely little ex rental place...trouble is, too much to put right and then not ideal....so another crossed off......the tennants left owing loads of rent!!
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Stay ruthless and focused HGL, there's a lot of great stuff out there esp when you can put a pin in a map :D
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You might want to consider a shell / wreck of a place. That way you can end up with mega insulated imterior up to current regs new roof etc etc but still have the character look and feel. That's what we did and it feels like the best of both - we are warm and cosy but the house is 300 years old. Even tho its listed we hadostly free rein inside because it was so derelict.
Mind you it did involve 11 months living in a caravan :-)))
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We have someone living in a caravan in the next village to us. he bought the stone built house for £4,000 and has his caravan in his barn that looks in better condition that the old house was. He's from Belgium and his wife has got her chickens running all over his building materials and tools. There is no mains drainage in these parts and the hole he has dug for a fosse is already full of water. Lots of work and I don't envy him in a caravan ( even parked up in the barn) but at the end of the day he will have a very cheap house with outbuildings next to our large lake. His name is Boatman so we are hoping he lives up to his name and brings a boat to share on the lake. :excited:
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Well one of the houses that looked spot on, thanks Rosemary!!! it overlooks sea and is lovely inside, is now under offer... I am still torn...love the gate house in Bogside (that name suites me :innocent: ) BUT....its top of our budget and not much chance of earning extra income from it, although there is land with it.......then there are tons of lovely 70's houses...but my heart is not in them...I lived in a 70's house when my children were small, they loved it but it was like being forced to wear clothing that you do not like...back to the drawing board.......what we/ I want is, a semi rural done up cottage with or without log burner and with a view...loads of houses have views around here!!! all for no more than £160,000 MUST have a down stairs toilet and if possible downstairs bedroom or separate dinning room......garden can be small providing not overlooked and it would be great to be near dog walks and not too far from a train station........I wish steve could drive >:(
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We lived in Lanarkshire for a few years, 1000 ft up just below the highest village in scotland and all it did was rain or snow or both. Now we live near the coast and it still rains but at least it isn't as bleak
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hi Iv been following your post and can see where you are coming from , we have our semi detached cottage up for sale , been looking around for a house with more land , seen a few and they sold as we are still waiting to sell, we are now thinking of fixing the price and lowering it to get the move we want . Think the market is slow just now and they say its a buyers market so not to bothered getting lower than market value , as we would gain that back on what we buy. we have had 2 viewers so far so a reduction and fix might get things moving . you might want to think along them lines
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We have had a few couples interested, only one wanted a B&B but they want a typical tourist place in Callander etc, another chap thought it idea but his partner had not sold her house in S Africa so he has gone back, others are keen but the upkeep is costly...we will take offers......I suggested putting a different fixed price but I was told, firmly NO!!!!! anyway, we are not in a hurry as we find it handy in most ways exept costs!!!!
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I think its more the upkeep than the cost thats putting people off...we have viewed a few and ours is not too bad in comparison, just things in a big house cost big amounts........I hope when we do get an offer, our ideal place comes up, we do have our eye on one but its a big compremise!!
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Since we are going into a triple dip recession, house prices are probably going to stabilise or possibly lower. But that really only affects those trying to get onto the ladder. I reckon my house has dropped by £25K since I bought it but so have the type of property I'd want to buy, if I ever felt the need to move. If a house is priced right it will sell. Might take a while due to lack of confidence in the market and mortgage restrictions, but they all do eventually go unless there is something drastically wrong with them.
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I am a keen follower of house buying and noticed some are flying out the estate agents, not always the cheap ones either....the main problem with older houses is getting mortgages..Banks are not lending and people are more cautious about borrowing....I have a long list of houses that I loved and they all are sold, steve works with a women who sold her newish £300,000 house near Dundee in a matter of days.....Our house has dropped but not so much as some as its more unusual...funny thing is a house I thought about before buying this is also being sold again and this time for more.........houses can now go for around 20 per cent less than asking price and not many go offers over now.......we offered £20,000 less for a house and it was excepted but our sale fell flat.
We will be realistic with the price we sell for, but we also are not in any great hurry as we are paying off the mortgage and every month it gets less and less......we are also earning an income here that is a bonus......even with a hell of a lot of locals kidnapping our trade ......so many let out rooms on the quiet. I would do that too given the chance.....funny as 2 houses we looked at had been on the market for a while and had a lot of problems, one was not mortgageable and the other had serious flooding issues yet, they are both sold!!!
Before we moved here people said house prices were dropping,,,,,,that's OK if you do not borrow too much as like you said Anne, your next house has also dropped.....we in that case are non the worse off.....how nice it would be to build one of the wooden kit houses.....no chance? :'(
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Not so concerned about selling quick just want to make the right choice when we move as we could have to move quick ......I think I am now more decided that we will stay in the area and possibly have a newer house..we have viewed a few that fit that bill......but as it should be my last move and its more important than other moves I have made due to that.....I do not want to be stuck in a house I am not keen on........thanks for all the help.......watch this space ;)
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Good luck, Sandy! And fingers crossed you get that offer soon :thumbsup:
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Well yet again, someone else is going to put an offer in when they get back off holiday BUT...they cannot just yet as they have a property to sell!!! I am positive we will be off this year and WILL be sad...so will the people who let out rooms (not other B&B's) as any one who stays and goes either to the pub or shop gets propositioned with very cheap rooms to let out..luckily we do keep some really lovely chaps who prefer to stay in our asylum!!!!!
I wish I could get excited about moving....anyone have a done up little cottage with views near Stirling, Falkirk, Larbert, Alloa train stations? :excited: :excited: