The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: deepinthewoods on December 10, 2012, 06:59:48 pm
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We were 'talking' about this on FB, lots of things are poisonous but it's a bit paranoia inducing :thinking:.
Many a dog has nicked a selection box (mine did it every year and she's now 19.5!) or snaffled something they shouldn't and really the only thing guaranteed to make them drop down dead is poison. It's about being sensible.
Mine have eaten: grapes; onions; chocolates; madras curry (eurgh); christmas cake; christmas pud; and probably a hundred and one things I DON'T know about that are supposed to be poisonous. :roflanim:
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mums dog ate a blackberry
the phone type and came off none the worse, the insurance company even saw the funny side!!!
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It is true due to the raisins.
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One of the first lot of pups we had was very ill when some one gave him some grapes!! although, like anything, some dogs/people react worse than others....most people know chocolate is bad but I think its more the quality chocolate products, those with coco solids rather than every day stuff but still do not give any to the dog, sweet stuff and dogs is not good anyway, not good for me either but there is no one looking after me :innocent:
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Our vet used to have a list of everyday foods that were potentially poisonous to dogs - I remember chocolate, grapes / sultanas / raisins, macadamia nuts.
I suppose some dogs will react worse than others and it will depend in part how much the dog consumes in relation to its size.
Still, it would be plain daft to either give your dog these things or leave them where the dog can access them. I know accidents can happen, though.
Just really glad that poo - horse, sheep, hen (but not cattle - wrong consistency, I think) - is not poisonous or we'd be in real trouble here ::)
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so it would appear that morrisons have truly screwed up!
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Grapes are very toxic to dogs, causing kidney failure. Because raisins are a more concentrated version of grapes smaller amounts can cause severe toxicity.
Therefore Christmas pudding has the potential to cause acute renal failure in a dog that eats a small amount.
Edited to say that smaller dogs are more susceptible as it is amount per bodyweight as a general rule. But here are other factors involved, such as age and general health, and how well the kidneys are functioning to start with. An old dog with some kidney deterioration will be much more sensitive to small amounts of raisins etc.
It's really not worth the risk as the damage may not be evident for several days after ingestion.
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Well my dogs all eat raisins are long-lived and healthy ???
Ok, done some finding out, it seems a mycotoxin is likely to be the cause. So better not to take the risk with grapes or raisins, but specific conditions may be likely to be needed.
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Grapes and raisins as such are NOT toxic to dogs HOWEVER the fruit can carry a mould that is highly toxic to canines (aflatoxins I believe?) so technically yes Morriscums have stuffed up.
That said, my guys have eaten grapes and suffered no ill affects. I would never chance chocolate with mine though, not after Tikki (RIP) had a nasty reaction to the kit kat my nephew gave him. I cannot believe a dog could puke so much and not die :tired: :tired:
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Raisins and grapes ARE VERY POISONOUS TO DOGS!!! Much worse than chocolate. A very good friend of mine left a small box of raisins out and her dog ate it. She rushed to the vets as she had read somewhere that they were poisonous. This was some years ago and the vets said they weren't poisonous and to take the dog home. She remonstrated but they were adamant. However the opportunity to do a stomach pump now had gone and she had to watch over the next few weeks as her young dog slowly died. Her vets were very apologetic afterwards :'( :'( . So please people do not let your dogs have either grapes or raisins, its not scaremongering its true.
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Why would you want to feed your dog human food anyway? You wouldn't eat theirs would you?
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Depends if they're having chicken doganjo
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:roflanim:
But not after it's gone in their bowl - I'm not THAT desperate! :innocent:
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I had a spaniel that loved truffle hunting. I also had cats who liked to hide them!
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I also have a friend whose dog stole some raisins when she was making a cake. Yhis was before their poisonous nature was known & the dog died. She lost a dog she owned & bred which was starting to work very well & was devistated. I have also known dogs very ill after eating chocolate - mainly after getting expensive chocolate. One 13 year old collie nearly died. The owners had given it an easter egg every year with no trouble but got her a more expensive treat when she was old. I try to be very careful to keep things away from my dogs now
Rose
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Real chocolate can kill dogs, yes. It has to be the good stuff, with a high cocoa content. A Smarties Easter egg is probably quite safe - although I wouldn't risk it. Pukka Belgian chocolate - keep it locked away safely.
The one about raisins is a new one on me. According to the posts yesterday, there's a mould which can grow on grapes and raisins, which is poisonous to dogs. It's not the raisins per se. But I'd never heard about it till yesterday so on this one I am definitely not an expert.
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:wave: :wave: Pups and most dogs pick up stuff and eat what they find, I worry when I sell a pup to people with tiny children, children drop food all the time..unlike us adults :innocent:
When anyone buys a pup its a good idea to have a crawl around the floor to see what the pup will find...wires!!!!!!!! they love wires!!!!! courners of walls, chairs, table legs, doors and mine started chewing the lead from our leaded door window in the kitchen, I did not even think about that one!!!!!
Any and all food dropped will be tried if not picked up soon enough so be careful!!!!!!
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Link to Advertising Standards Authority investigating
http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/news/asa-investigates-morrisons-xmas-ads/4005088.article (http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/news/asa-investigates-morrisons-xmas-ads/4005088.article)
and Morrisons response which was :
“Of course we’ll help the Advertising Standards Authority and we’re sorry that we’ve caused concern to some dog lovers. We would never run any advert that encouraged poor pet care and we were very careful to take veterinary advice prior to filming the advert and we ensured we had a vet present during filming. The veterinary advice we received concluded that there would be minimal, if any, risk to a dog of serious toxic reaction should a small amount, in relation to its body weight, of Christmas cake or pudding be consumed on a one-off basis. We certainly aren’t recommending that dogs should be allowed to eat Christmas pudding. The adverts were part of a wider story and we’ll be moving to the next phase this week.”
On other words "Ooops, we balls'd up there!"
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Or:
Don't let the dog in the house. :P
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There is no scientific findings for the cause of toxicity with raisins ( grapes ) or onions, an other kitchen foods. The fungi is only one area which may be responsible but the actual chemical responsible is unknown to date, so please be very careful with these products. A mouthful of raisins can kill a large dog as well as small. A bite of a high content cocoa chocolate can cause kidney failure. Please be vigilant, especially this time of year. It's not worth the risk :dog:
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My first German Shepherd Kelsey one Christmas found a large bag full of presents in our bedroom. She took each one out of the bag until she got to the chocolate santas that I had planned to hang on our tree.Not one present had a mark on it but that night she through up chocolate and the wrappings. Not even a guilty look on her face. she loved to get her present from under the tree on Christmas morning something I still do for the dogs I have now. :innocent:
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The 'phone or the fruit?! :o
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Avocados is another one that's toxic to a lot of animals
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One of our dogs once ate about three kiloo of plums in one go!!!
I was doing jam, preped half left rest in the bucket (full) went out. Came back to no plums I thought I must have completed them untill the dog had the runs soon after we got home
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Whops......I notice my dogs watch me, although they normally cannot get at food they should not eat.
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Avocados is another one that's toxic to a lot of animals
So is bleach
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I always used to give the root ends of leeks to one of our dogs who loved them, until the vet said I shouldn't. Also often gave them grapes as a treat so that is now stopped. Wonder if it applies to goats as well as mine love raisins.
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As when we have children, its all a puzzel, we find out as we go along, at least the internet and forums like this help!!