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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Sylvia on December 05, 2012, 04:14:04 pm
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A friend of my daughter-in-law is going to ring me at 4-30pm to ask me if I will have her "micro pigs" Apparently she drove a 300 mile round trip to buy 2 sweet tiny piglets last April.Tiny piglets grew..and grew..and GREW and she is now at her wit's end with them in her tiny garden.
DIL has told her that if I take them they will go for sausages and she doesn't seem to mind that but my question is this..
Should I ask her to get piggies delivered to me/charge her for picking up. Charge her for feed until they "go" and ask her to pay slaughter fees, bearing in mind that I don't really need or want more pork/sausages and will give the sausages etc. away to family and friends.
Also, I would like her to take responsibility for her irresponsibility, if you see what I mean.
I know I will get sensible answers soon :fc: :pig:
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i would definitely charge for picking them up, and for feed and slaughter costs too. offer her some sausages in return... :D
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Dave, you are cruel :o :o ;D
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I was going to offer advice, but reckon you'll be mid-call, so maybe no point ;)
But yes, I think a charge for picking them up would be acceptable :innocent:
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I don't see why you should be out of pocket, especially if you can't claw anything back on the sausages.
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if you look at it realisticly, whats the alternative? i bet she hasnt a clue how to sort out the movement forms, she would have to hire a trailer to move these pigs to the abbatoir and pay their fees as well, plus, shes not gonna get them in any where near to xmas... so shes still going to have to feed them until into the new year.
charge her for all of it. she should be grateful!!
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I'd go with what DITW said. Charge her for it all, offer her sausages. Why should you lose out because of someone else's silly mistake. You are solving her problem after all.
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Well, she's now in two minds about letting me have them, she was rather hoping I would keep them as pets. She keeps them in her sitting room with access to a tiny back yard ::) What was she thinking about, especially as my son had told her it would all end in tears.
Now, I have nothing against people having pet pigs/sheep/goats etc. I have two Kune girls myself but they live as pigs should with a few acres to roam in and their own house, a lovely wallow in hot weather and all that pigs could desire.
I would offer to keep them if she paid for feed, straw, worming and any vet. fees and I think she might agree to this bit, for how long? I can see that this would end in tears for me eventually, or, at least a big headache. What to do for the sake of the poor old pigs???????
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Have you seen the pigs Sylvia ?
If they are vastly overweight, miserable and confined to a house most of the day then slaughter is probably kindest option :-\ (thinking back to the last couple that were discussed on TAS - the ones from the school)
But if they are in good condition and health and would adapt to a proper piggy life outside then it might be an option ?
You'll maybe find she's less resistant to the sausage idea once she's been without them for a wee while.
I think, if it was me (having been in this position before) it might be easier in the long run to say no - but then what would happen to them :( (my heart always wins in these situations ::) :innocent:)
Oh I don't envy you, nor can I say what you should do - only you know the answer to that one :hug:
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She keeps them in her sitting room with access to a tiny back yard ::) What was she thinking about, ....... What to do for the sake of the poor old pigs? ??? ???
You ring and report her to animal health, RSPCA, DEFRA, the local environmental health office anybody who will listen then its not your problem! IMHO She a silly bitch who needs a good slap!
Grrrrrr mandy :pig:
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Bad morning Mandy. :roflanim:
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Bad morning Mandy. :roflanim:
Not really just hate this MP carry on and its gonna get worse, come down on 'em heavy with authority, heavy fines and make it news and make people think twice about this crappy trade!
+ i am full of cold and just come in from doing pigs, checking horses after the previous nights visitors!
mandy :pig:
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whilst i dont condone violence, often. i do think a call to animal health would be reasonable.
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I think you ought to speak reasonably to her and explain the situation with pigs at the moment. Explain to her that it is very unlikely you or she will find anyone who wants them as pets and that the abbattoir is really the only solution. Explain to her that in fact the way she is keeping the pigs is in fact far more cruel that a quick trip to the abattoir and that she has got to face up to her responsiblities. Failing that you can report her. If they are in a real state wouldn't they get taken away anyway?
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I think you ought to speak reasonably to her and explain the situation with pigs at the moment. Explain to her that it is very unlikely you or she will find anyone who wants them as pets and that the abbattoir is really the only solution. Explain to her that in fact the way she is keeping the pigs is in fact far more cruel that a quick trip to the abattoir and that she has got to face up to her responsiblities. Failing that you can report her. If they are in a real state wouldn't they get taken away anyway?
I agree with this but if the RSPCA take them, they'll no doubt go to a rescue centre for rehoming as pets. :rant:
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In a way I feel sorry for this person. She bought them as pets thinking they would stay small and I am sure she has looked after them as best as she could. its time selling micro pigs was stopped. I expect the only answer is they will end up as sausages which must be the only outcome for a lot of these so called little pigs.
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I would be interested to know if people such as the lady in question have a CPH number? If not they were never moved there legally in the first place and I blame the seller 100% for that. Furthermore, if they are living in the house .... are they really not getting kitchen scraps? Once again it is the irresponsible sellers that I blame ... purchasing as 'pets' they are still subject to the law and the purchasers are no doubt totally unaware and ignorant of their legal responsibilities.
Pete
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Perhaps I shouldn't but feel some sympathy for her and the poor pigs. She made a mistake. A neighbour of mine keeps 2 pet sheep on his farm for a lady that could, due to her age and ill health, no longer keep them. He is paid for their keep and the lady still visits them from time to time. The sheepies are 14 now and well cared for. He has the time and I suppose an interest in sheep and the necessary land/barns. It was done on an understanding that if too ill/old he would let her know and they would be PTS by the vet.
I suppose if you are both straight about the future then it could work IF you wished to take them on as pets ...... paid care of course.
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Logic tells me you should say no and have an end of it, but I am too soft. She should most definately pay their upkeep whether temporary or long term. But if she is now in two minds tell her to grab the first other offer she gets. I doubt there will be many ;)
Of course she should also pay transport, that goes without saying. Make sure they are legal though, the last thing you want is a favour turning into a fine from the ministry :o
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I doubt RSPCA will be interested unless there is serious signs of neglect. We had someone near me who had several Kunes and my friend found 3 in her drive. The police, RSPCA and animal health weren't interested, just said shoo them back into the field!
I got her the owners number and they were a bit abusive and reluctantly herded them back up the road. I think the farmer then shot them as they got in with his and started fighting.
I wish people would realise there is a bit more commitment and effort involved with farm animals than keeping a dog!
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I was very shocked to see someone on this forum advertising micro pigs for sale... It was on the advert that some people have at the bottom of their posts. I tried to highlight it to report it to the moderator. Instead it took me through to a site where it showed a picture of a piglet, clearly only hours old saying 6 had been born and needed loving homes.
The trouble is, the advert keeps changing. I'm waiting for it to come round again, then will report to the moderator.
I can't believe someone would try to sell something like that at all, let alone here on this forum!!!!!
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its not someone 'on this forum' its a google based ad, not alot tas can do about it. google is placing the adverts based on the relevancy of the text.
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Raised this with Dan and he's going to put a filter on Google that takes out adverts for micro pigs.
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Thanks Rosemary :thumbsup:
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Interestingly, I found out today that the author of a much-publicised book about mps ended up handing them over to an animal sanctuary: http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html (http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html)
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Interestingly, I found out today that the author of a much-publicised book about mps ended up handing them over to an animal sanctuary: http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html (http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html)
What I would like to know is why is this sanctuary promoting this book? I know MONEY!!! But it does seem a bit hypocritical to me as I am sure they will be asked to take in so called micro pigs all the time.
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I can't advise as we currently have two kune kune and a castrated vietneme pot belly in our freezer after rehoming them in the summer as someone's garden pets who on the Tuesday mentioned to my daughter in the pub that they were moving house on the Friday and couldn't take them so had to do something. I didn't phone until the Thursday thinking that they would have sorted themselves out, no they still had no idea what they were going to do the next day. Needless to say I sent hubby round with our trailer to collect them, no tags, no paperwork, no cph no. I phoned defra who couldn't do anything unless these people started the automatic computerised paperwork, apparently it can't be started half way along the chain :rant: how stupid is that. So they came kept them a couple of months now they are in the freezer with a couple of our tags on them.
Think I may give up raising weaners and just live on rehomes, as I work for a vets and a month or so back someone came in off one of the housing estates to register their two kunekune piglets aged 6weeks, I asked for their cph no. And where they were going to be kept. She had her number and said at home of course, so defra obviously don't have a problem with pigs in town back gardens. I have visions of these in my freezer by this time next year ;)
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Hmmmh, my thoughts exactly, Louise ;)
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Sorry, forgot to say, I am going to meet pigs and owner later today. Will get back to you.
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Well well well ... has anyone else seen this in our very own Marketplace?? 2 FREE Micropigs!!! .... to a good home ... only the very best freezer will do!! :roflanim:
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=29638.0 (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=29638.0)
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:rant: Never have posted on this topic but always read the threads and becoming so much more aware of this problem
Poor pigs a life of suffering at the hands of 'pet lovers' - so much better to have 6 months of a 'normal' piggy life and then the freezer than a life of unnatural behavoiur and house pampering, or whatever these pigs past is!
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Interestingly, I found out today that the author of a much-publicised book about mps ended up handing them over to an animal sanctuary: http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html (http://www.savingrarebreeds.org/Pigs.html)
i am not sure why anyone would find this interesting mp breeders have fallen by the wayside in numbers or was it he wrote a book? if its the book thing all that means in my eyes is he is talented enough to put words together it does not mean he implements his own work i know of someone that published a book on livestock (wont say which) his stock are a shocking exaple of breed standard but he has a good eye when judging others in the ring.
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It was jane Croft who wrote a book on micro pigs.
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No, it is interesting. If you keep micro pigs in your house, have them share your life, write a book about it, etc etc, then it IS interesting that these self same pigs end up living at a sanctuary and looking distinctly un-micro!
Surely they should be back at home on the sofa where they belong? :innocent:
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has anyone who commented actually read Matt Whymans book???
i have and its just a light-hearted tale on his experiences of 2 pet pigs, of which one was neutered. he wasnt endorsing them really, cos it was clear the whole situation was a living nightmare. written in a comic style. i know he did try AI in the book but failed, both the semen and the weaners he bought cost a fortune though.
maybe theres more to the tale after the book was published that i dont know about?
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Thought I'd posted this but obviously forgot to press send ::) She is going to keep her pigs and I can understand this but she seems at her wit's end. Had to bite back the offer to keep them as pets, my gilt is going for sausages in the New Year and I will find that hard :(