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Title: New scrap metal law???
Post by: Shropshirelass on December 05, 2012, 12:21:24 am
This new law from what I understand is we now cant sell any scrap metal to scrap yards for cash any more in england & wales >:( but does this also include cars & whether if they recorded it could we be paid via cheques or anything? could someone please expand on this as it was a bit confusing & I only heard a bit of it on the news yesterday. I'm sorry but I don't know about anyone else but I think its a pretty stupid annoying law to have been put in place for genuine people like farmers & people in the country who do want to get rid of old metal littering up the place for a bit of cash - I can understand why they've done it to try & cut down on metal theft but surely there could have been talks & other options before this. x
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: FiB on December 05, 2012, 06:57:42 am
I think its only the cash bit ;D .  So they need ID and bank account, which is no bother if it helps stop scumbags stealing metal (we once had a house stripped of copper twice whilst we were having central heating installed, so I'm all for regulation!!)   I regularly weigh in stuff (there is about 20 years of waste buried on our smallholding!) and allready have to provide ID, and I thought it strange that the cash thing was still going on 2 weeks ago, I thought it had allready changed.  Cheers, Fi
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: deepinthewoods on December 05, 2012, 07:30:43 am
you can still scrap stuff, but you need to provide id and you are paid with a cheque so need a bank account.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on December 05, 2012, 07:47:06 am
apparently some scrappies are setting up cheque cashing 'shops' next door to the yard....run by them....so the dodgies will still get cash  :(
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: rispainfarm on December 05, 2012, 08:12:41 am
We sold some scrap yesterday and got cash back. We had heard of the law but didn't realise it was just england and wale. We are in scotland, so guess it doesn't apply here.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: HappyHippy on December 05, 2012, 09:13:36 am
I think it's coming to Scotland - 14th of December is the cut off date I think. There's no way we'll get all ours away by then  ::)  :innocent:
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: fifixx on December 05, 2012, 09:16:04 am
I think its a good idea - when you read of the churches and schools being stripped of lead and artworks being pinched - I suppose the thieves will just move onto another thing though!
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: Derby_menagerie on December 05, 2012, 02:20:08 pm
Heard on the radio about 2 blokes who stole a Henry Moore sculpture worth 500k. £46 scrap value, you got to laugh! they got 12 months each! Still get paid just getting a bit more of a paper trail to try and stop some of the illeagel trading.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: Mammyshaz on December 05, 2012, 04:26:01 pm
There is a non exempt clause. You can get cash if you are of NFA ( no fixed abode )  ::) .
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: digit on December 05, 2012, 04:42:11 pm
There is a non exempt clause. You can get cash if you are of NFA ( no fixed abode )  ::) .
I heard this aswell, makes you laugh when it's these people a the ones behind the thefts.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: jaykay on December 05, 2012, 08:27:03 pm
Well that's helpful then  ::)!

"I've just nicked all the copper cabling from the railway but you'll have to pay me cash cos I've got NFA" (whether I have or not)   ::)

Where do our politicians live and who do they associate with? They're on a bloody parallel universe  ::)
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: deepinthewoods on December 05, 2012, 08:36:56 pm
as far as im aware, its not that easy to get nfa status, if you claim that you have to still provide ID which is then checked on.
nfa does not mean you dont have to provide id. just that your officially homeless.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: jaykay on December 05, 2012, 08:44:01 pm
Oh ok, that's a bit different then. I thought they could just refuse to provide ID.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: deepinthewoods on December 05, 2012, 08:48:43 pm
the effect it could have is that genuinely poor people, who dont have access to a bank account could be hit. i know a few like that, salt of the earth types, everything done in cash. but i think overall its a good idea. lots of people use cash/chequeing shops for genuine reasons, i have done myself a few years back.
 
it wont prevent 'professional' criminals however, who will just use some scrote to weigh it in for them. that or melt it down and sell on the blackmarket.
Title: Re: New scrap metal law???
Post by: Lesley Silvester on December 05, 2012, 09:15:44 pm

Where do our politicians live and who do they associate with? They're on a bloody parallel universe  ::)

I'm not sure their universe is even parallel to ours.