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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: happygolucky on November 21, 2012, 11:02:00 am
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I am not going to talk about religion BUT, when I saw a cleric from the Church of England say that God created the job of Arch bishops for men only in the same vien as only women can give birth!! I nearly spit my tea out, as i was not really watching the TV I did not take notice of who he was but how can anyone still think that?
Please, I am not discounted any religion just the attitude.
Then those wonderful Christmas adverts from all the supermarkets, I actually commented on one to my daughter, as a mum it was MY job to DO Christmas, I made decorations, all the food and crackers etc, bought all the presents and wrapped them, wrote the cards, I even got the children to make their grandparents cards, and i would write rhymes in the ALL the card I sent (possibly spelt all wrong ,knowing me) I would go alone to all the concerts, shows, buy new outfits for the girls and me, clean the house from top to bottom and of course get everything just so for Christmas...all that cooking and planning....then I would wash up and start again for tea time......My husband did work hard but never appreciated just how much I did, now the adds are showing it all!!!!
I bet there are tons of men out there who do just as much at Christmas time, I know my son in law, does some cooking.....
Has equality gone wrong? :rant:
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What do you mean mums make christmas :-J ??? i've always been told by OH that the fairies bring it...................... :innocent:
Bishops are all frightened of girl power and competition for their frocks :roflanim:
Mandy :pig:
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Totally agree with you Sandy - can't remember if it's Tesco, M & S or which - an ad about the woman doing all the shopping, cooking, wrapping etc for Christmas then he appears with a bottle of champagne and a couple of glasses - I thought that was definitely sexist as soon as I saw it! It's not on!
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its ASDA!
mandy :pig:
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its ASDA!
mandy :pig:
Just goes to show how much advertising affects me ;D
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Its all a bit mad given that the CofE is headed by a woman - so they can be the priests and the head of the church, but not 'middle management'.
Its so unnecessary given that the decision was taken years ago that there would and should be women bishops.
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What was interesting was the House of Bishops were overwhelmingly in favour of it, the House of Clergy about 3:1 in favour, it was the House of Laity, ie representing lay people in parishes, where they failed to get the 2/3 majority needed.
So in a sort of way, it wasn't the actual Church people that were the problem, it was the parishes! Chauvinism alive and well in Middle England ::)
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I'm my opinion, those who have not "made it" to the position the hold in their view as "special" still love the old fashioned institution, keeping it all like it is, those that are practising want to move on into the real world......(my in father in law is a lay preacher but not sure of his views, maybe I should ask him, he is a lovely man so hope he would want women in such a high role :fc: )
A lot of institutions try for change but those who love them hate that idea, thats just the type of people that will object to any changes.
It was the word "god made it so women should not have that role" that peed me off.......how on earth can anyone say that unless of course its about giving birth and one day maybe men WILL be able to do that!
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There's a world of difference between biological differences and roles than anyone could play, because they depend merely on having a brain.
That cultural chauvinism should be perpetuated as 'tradition' or worse 'that's how God intended it' is appalling. No, that's how men intended it, and clearly have no intention of giving away any power.
Mind you, they're a bunch of irrelevant old farts anyway. I feel for the women who work in the Church, but apart from that, who really cares what they think these days.
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:thinking: I agree with that, just hate any form of oppression!!
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that asda ad got to me a bit, so ill vote with my feet and not shop there again. simples!
dont bishops get a seat in the house of lords???
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All the supermarkets have similar adverts, I did notice that......arh well, back to the "good old days" at least my husband does not "do" Christmas, and he recons I go over the top, not this year though :(
The all boys club ::) , all that springs to my mind is good old Jim'll Fix it ::)
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Bishops do, but then they were in favour! 44 to 3.
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What do you expect from a load of men dressed as women who believe in fairy stories.
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:thinking: ummm, now what else have I seen that reminds me of a Bishops Hat? :innocent:
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If they have female Bishops would the old saying then be, As the Bishop said to the actor????
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:idea: That's why the laity didn't want to change it - it would have ruined the old joke ::) No, wait, perhaps they're the old joke >:(
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I was very disappointed in the result of the vote. It suggests that women are good enough to be vicars but not to get promotion. It will come though.
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yup, along with gay marriage.
theyre outdated and unbiblical. like everything else in the c of e.
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hell and damnation to all the none believers and they will burn in the fires of hell, religion is dead completely out of touch with the modern world.
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Well said bigchicken. I saw one of the against lot saying that a man and womans roles weren't reversable in the home so only men should be bishops I thought it was 2012 not 1812 and people say the church has its finger on the pulse, give me a break.
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Outdated institution makes outdated decsision shocker....
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;D ;D
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The archbishop of canterbury said that because of this decision the church would lose credability, hello you can't lose what you haven't got.
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I am very saddened by the result of this vote..... especially as it wasn't the bishops who voted no .... the vote was lost by the ordinary people vote! I too heard, and was amazed, by the sexist comments made earlier in the day on radio 4 .... in anyother capacity these comments wouldnt have been allowed.
As a individual with Christian faith I find the destructive nature of 'religion' and its extremists very sad.
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backinwellies, that's what shocked me, how can an Intelligent Person say those things on TV especially, when me and my husband herd that we were so Shocked..... I should imagine a lot of clerics and other church people were shocked too,.
Over the years I have become more And more cynical, Especially if that was the best argument they could put up for women not becoming Bishops.
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A FB friend of a friend (I think they are elderly) said that it was OK to be narrow minded at times :rant: I totaly disagree, Narrow minded is never OK!
People are entitled to thier views for a valid reason, thats fine, even if they are not popular views but they should at least have a good reason.
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its ASDA!
mandy :pig:
Morrisons have done it, too, I bet they have the same agency - the worst was that I liked the ad because it's reality :P for most uf us. then they said "and I wouldn't have it any other way" - Oh, yes, I would!
When that debate on Bishops was on a woman was interviewd and she said that women really didn't have to have those jobs as well I nearly puked. Not much has changed over the last decades. Institutions just can't give any little bit of power up and too many girls are backing them all over the world. Real sad. :&>
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see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20427021 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20427021)
mandy :pig:
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I sent the Asda add to my daughter as it was just how my Christmas was every year...not now though..... , sadly a lot of families are u Der pressure to make it all "T.V." Perfect, when in fact it can be the most stressful time ever, I still enjoy Christmas though xxx
I am too shell shocked re the Church......not much more to say on that, they are def going back in time.......
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Have to say, regarding the Asda ad, it was potsed on another forum asking why people were getting upset about it and i really couldn't see why. It's similar in my house, although not as extreme, ditto in my parents, sister, brother and numerous friends. It's an advert......
Helen
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All the Christmas adverts are similar, I understand why, when /if in advertising you play to stereotypes, but, I am not upset buy it but it just re enforces old fashioned values, I hated that I was the only one in my marrage that did Christmas, all the prep etc etc, I even used to put toy's and games together on Christmas morning, while cooking the food, in an ideal world, both partners should help each other, its so much nicer to do things together and share the joy and hard work of any festive time. I would love to see an add with both partners taking a share of things but I fear it would cause major rows in a lot of houses!!!
I put up with a lot until I went to college and studied Sociology amongst other things, then I finaly saw how unfair life could be.......now my life IS equal and very very happy!!!!!
I personally believe in equality!! :wave:
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I must admit I was very lucky with both of my 'dearly departeds' - they both helped in the house, even though they were working long hours, and both of them took an equal part in the Christmas preparations. They both abhorred women being taken for granted as is portrayed in these adverts. Yes they are JUST adverts but they put across a very outdated view of the home, that if accepted will do no good at all to upcoming youngsters. And I am talking 1968 for my first marriage and 1994 for my second, so I really mean outdated - the dark ages!
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i agree. i think todays, maybe younger man in the house does take more of the responsibility for the children, house work etc. Some of that has to do with both are out at work as well, but alot is due to the fact that the 'feminist' change worked and was a good influence on the boys they brought up. my personal case is towards the more extreme end of the spectrum, i know, but i know many more good fathers supporting their partners, than bad. As a cross section of my peers.
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Oh P Lease!
These ads show a happy family with the woman as the central role in Christmas. She's the one with the 'power' they're not sexist at all. What the.y don't show is all the blokes get up after dinner and do the washing up.
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:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: actually Moleskins that is true, my ex and my current husband do the washing up!!!
My 2 daughters seem to have found partners that do their share......sort of, :-J not sure about my youngest daughter as her relationship is new as yet and is a very very complex set up :innocent:
Like you say, behind every successful man there is a :thinking: :thinking:
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The ASDA ad sums up this house but misses some bits out!! I will choose, buy, hide and wrap 100% of the presents. Choose, cook and serve all the food (for 13 this year) all nativity play costumes down to mummy. I will make sure daddy gets there on time. I also have to buy all of the presents FROM my mum for all the kids and extended family, wrap them etc and just lately hubbys mum and gran get me to do theirs too. Oh and I have to sell some bars of soap along the way!!agh!!
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I can relate to that Plumbs!! The worse Christmas was my mums last, she was only 63 but an Alcoholic and was a real live wire that could confuse anyone, my then husband had a radiator drop on his foot so he lay on the sofa all day, the kids had bad stomaches and my mum drove me to distraction!!!! I had no help at all and sat down, after our meal, around 4, only to be asked by everyone "whats for tea"?
I so wish I could re do that Christmas !!
hat last Christmas was the one and only Christmas I did very little, I went to stay in a hotel and then went on to my middle daughter and family where most of the cooking was done between my son in law and daughter, I do not think I actually did that much that day at all, I try to be with my family at some point and one year, stayed with my now husband, in my previous marital home in my ex marital bed, while my ex was on his own, he had a girlfriend but she stayed at her own house that night....I proceded to be left to cook everything!!!!!!! :innocent: not sure how many but loads, and when I cook at my own house I prepare as much as possible, so its easy!!!!!! This Christmas day me and my husband will be taken out for a walk in the forest by the dogs, then return to a hot bath, fire and slob around with maybe a ready meal or snack foods......a real slobby day in front of the fire and films!!!
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Plums have you ever heard of the word NO. :roflanim:
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I need to use it more often really don't I ;D
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Not being a foody and detesting what christmas has become , i don't do it !
I usually have beans on toast or cheese o t for dinner .
My aunt will be staying in a holiday let this year and although she is staying there to 'avoid' christmas , she will do the usual , chicken , turkey , goose , pork every veg known to man dinner , i am not looking forward to it at all .
The whole thing is a load of bllx and i detest it !
2 weeks of bloody mayhem , oh god .
I have made it clear that i will not be going shopping everyday , every other day or even once a week .
Oh how i hate this time of year .
Happy 'x'mas everyone .
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Rusty, I would swear you are my brother, he almost posts the same stuff in E Mails to me, he however likes all the nice food around (in the sales after) and the TV.
I do actually worry about the amount of stress people face and the debut they go into to provide what is portrayed on adds or films when in truth, they may be very worried and then face the rest of the year paying for things that they do not need and also gym membership for food they overate.
I am just as guilty for over buying food at Christmas, just stand in a check out and see the amount of food that every one (even my brother) have in their trolley.....why do we suddenly need so much food? I bet loads end up in the bin!!!
I am not keen on the forced being happy stuff either, we all have to be with people that otherwise would get on our nerves.........
As usual we have had loads of enquiries for Christmas accomadation but we are not doing or taking any of them, if I said Yes, I would not be able to go out etc and they probaly would cancel last min so leave me stuck, I am looking forward to takeing my little girl and her little partner to the Panto this Chritmas, with my husband of course, then comming home to a nice big fire and sample all the wines as she has a wine company""
My idea of Christmas is a nice meal with people you love and enjoy being with, being warm and happy.......Happy Christmas Russ (maybe that women will pop in to visit with some mistily toe)
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Happy christmas Sandy !
Yes , the insane spendfest is what i detest , along with the whole false sense of occassion .
Having no tv helps keep things normal for me , but the outside world can be a bit like the plague , it finds a way in somehow !
I tend to go more on the lines of celebrating the mid winter thing really .
The days start getting longer and sowing time is on it's way .
Avoiding all the plastic crap seems to be my main aim these days . People give me clothes etc , i always say i don't want anything thank you , but nearly everything is poly wotsit or nylon etc , i tell them what i do with it , but they never take any notice !
I don't wear plastic clothes , i burn them , such a waste .
The stereotypical happy family is pushed to the limit at this time of year on tv and in the shops , and people just follow like sheep , why ?
It is all out of control now , and how much further commercialism can go i have no idea . The sexism side of things at this time of year is all pure tv and in the shops .
Avoid both and it doesn't exist .
As for the 'mistle toe' i have an antidote , onion sandwiches ! , very strong ones . Not to forget garlic munching as well .
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THANKS!! :wave:
I laugh as my X always HAS to be with his grandchildren at Christmas....that's wonderful for him as he is loaded!! and now they are all in Australia.....so..!! He is not good with the grandchildren,, or in fact give them big presents etc, just does what he thinks he should do!!!! (I'm not bitter :innocent: )
My pleasure this year is a flask of soup in the forest with the dogs and my husband, his ancestry is unknown but I am sure Ebeneser is in there some where!!!!
Onions or Garlic do not bother me :eyelashes:
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Avoiding all the plastic crap seems to be my main aim these days . People give me clothes etc , i always say i don't want anything thank you , but nearly everything is poly wotsit or nylon etc , i tell them what i do with it , but they never take any notice !
I don't wear plastic clothes , i burn them , such a waste .
Hey, don't burn - give them to charity shops; plenty of people out there who'd like them. I'm the same, though; I own two fleeces, both were presents - I wear them when I do anything mucky, on top of wool (in winter) or cotton (in summer). It is handy that they dry so easily. But I would never buy one myself...
I've been following this thread with interest - haven't got a clue what ads you are talking about, as I avoid any advertising! I'm quite skilled at "not seeing" them in print or on screen; and I don't have telly, anyway. And if I do happen to see massive advertising for something, that signals to me - avoid at all cost; because you are paying a high price for those ads, and a lot less for the product!
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I would do Ina , but i don't go to the shops and no room to store anything here . So anything plastic ends up in the bin sooner rather than later .
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Ina (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24625) its amazing how influenced we all get.....not only TV but thats the main thing....I try to go against the grain a bit but I soon slip into the net and if I had lots of money would end up like a sheep!!
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I realise it's a lot more difficult to stay away from it all if you have family. :-\
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Like relative poverty, you do not know or care how poor you are until you see richer people or in fact poorer people! Much harder for people with children!!
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I just saw the Sainsburys advert - much more evenly balanced. :eyelashes:
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Oh, think I just saw it too.....The man putting up the tree and the lights fail :innocent:
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I was brought up CofE until the church organist started playing with other people's organs. But it saddens me to see a venerable institution transform itself from mostly irrelevant to plain contemptible.
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Small Farmer, I was brought up RC, a lot of fiddlers there too :innocent:
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i was brought up jehovahs witness till i turned 16 and ran. plenty of nonces there too. seems to be a theme...
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After a few years study and work in Child Protection, I became more and more cynical and not very often shocked.....I remember having suspicions and concerns but most of the people are clever and have power so hide what they do, then, if any one rubbles them, its the person who dobs them in that gets a bad name!!! Nothing to do with sexual things , just bad practice but I wanted to report some one but knew I would never get a social work job in my area if I did..as the person was as high up as they could get they did not act on any of complaints I made along with several other workers, justice happened in the end but that's just how it goes, people are in fear of loosing jobs these days so choose not to look!! I am so glad I work for myself, :relief:
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About 33 years ago when I brought my BH home for the first time to meet my social worker mother she cheerily announced "we had another incest today" over lunch. Would be a conversation stopper even today.
I caught this on the Beeb
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20205599 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20205599) Not often do you catch an American doing irony - and making such a strong point about sexist boards