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Pets & Working Animals => Dogs => Topic started by: Remy on November 13, 2012, 08:24:26 pm
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It's probably been discussed on here previously but hope you don't mind me asking again, what is a good quality kibble to feed pups without breaking the bank? My pup came to me on a Beta puppy diet but he got diarrhea after scoffing loads of horse muck and it didn't clear up despite two vet visits, injections ABs and a diet of chicken and rice. I got some Pro Kolin for him which was brilliant and he went onto Royal Canin Sensitive Control kibble which seems to have done the trick. I don't want to put him back onto Beta puppy due to the poor quality ingredients. My other dogs are on Arden Grange Lamb & Rice which they are all okay on and I was going to get some Arden Grange puppy, but wondered what other people use.
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Arden grange is a good quality balanced diet. The puppy formula has the correct nutrients for a growing pup so id say if you are opting for this do it very gradually over 7-10 days as it sounds like your pup has a delicate gut. Add a bit of natural yoghurt into the meals too to help the gut flora recover from the squits.
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I read an excellent article about kibble. Will try and dig it out for you.
Helen
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Hope this is ok - it's a link to a dog forum:
http://www.unleashedforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=7784#p7784 (http://www.unleashedforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=7784#p7784)
Helen
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The csj range is good and reasonably priced. I know many working and agility dogs who do very well on it.
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This is more along the not breaking the bank aspect of what you said.
http://www.zooplus.co.uk/ (http://www.zooplus.co.uk/) These guys tend to have good prices on decent foods, and quick delivery.
Dans
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Hope this is ok - it's a link to a dog forum:
http://www.unleashedforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=7784#p7784 (http://www.unleashedforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=7784#p7784)
Helen
\Thanks for that some interesting info :thumbsup:
Well I'm going to give Wainwrights a try, it seems to have reasonable reviews and is a lot cheaper than some of the dry foods. If it doesn't work out I'll probably revert back to Royal Canin till pup is old enough to try the AG lamb & Rice.
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Burns & royal canin we sold loads of at the vets & both are around £30-£40 a 15-20kg bag & we were always ordering it in x
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Another vote here for CSJ. Reasonable prices, excellent advice and the only food I have found that keeps weight on my Pointer dog. And a good range of protein content depending upon your dogs particular needs.
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Not sure if they do puppy food but we have used SKinners for the last few years. THey are for working dogs so are VAT free, and the duck and rice is hypoallergenic which is good as our german shepherd x husky kept getting the runs on everything else we tried. It has almost identical ingredients to Burns duck and rice (I think it was Burns) but is about half the price.
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Yep, skinners do a puppy food, Jake was recently on it, now both of my borders (terriers) are on duck and rice. both seem to love it so i'm a happy bunny as well. :thumbsup:
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Well I've had a nightmare of trying to get the right food! I started the Wainwrights but he was still doing loose stools. I then tried AG puppy but it seemed to get worse. I was recommended James Wellbeloved by the store assistant who said vets very often recommended JW for the symptoms my pup has. He has had non-stop loose poos and the most vile wind problems!! :P :P
I realise that it's not good to change diet so often but I have two sacks of JW to get through and I'm going to just stick with it and give his gut a chance to settle down. If it doesn't, not sure where to go from here ... ???
I've ordered a tub of Protexin Profibre to add to meals to see if that helps ...
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I have a Golden Retreiver who we rescued as a 4 month old puppy. At the time she was producing lakes of poo, it was so bad - poor little bugger.
We were recommended to put her onto James Wellbeloved, which she's still on 14 years later and we've had no further problems in that department since.
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Try yoghurt with his food, and overfeeding can cause the runs too so make sure you gauge the correct amount for his weight - use your own scales to weigh him.
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Have you dropped off a poo sample to the vets? Could have Campylobactor/Giardia/ bactrial over growth. May need a week of Panacure (at special dose rate) or antibiotics.
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By the ongoing symptoms I'd recommend a vet visit as there could be a number of medical causes. As FF advises , take a poo sample, and check worming is fully uptodate. What breed is the pup? There are breed specific medical causes forloose stools which can be treated.
O
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I've just re-read through this and this poor fellow has been on 5 different kibbles plus chicken and rice in 3 weeks!!!! (Beta, Royal Canin, Arden Grange, Wainwrights, and JW)
Please just stick to ONE food until he gets better, and speak to your vet tomorrow fro advice.
He may well have got an infection from the horse much but you said his poos had cleared up, so I'd be more likely to think it's the diet change that's causing the problem.
Young puppies should never be changed as rapidly as this, they are babies. No offence intended, just trying to help.
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Agree, Annie! Also if you have a dog with a sensitive belly and can afford it, Royal Canin seems to be the best that I know of. Or a bones and raw food diet, but stick to one or the other.
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I've just re-read through this and this poor fellow has been on 5 different kibbles plus chicken and rice in 3 weeks!!!! (Beta, Royal Canin, Arden Grange, Wainwrights, and JW)
No offence taken, I know it sounds bad reading it like that! But, I have not actually got through all those foods in that time space :-\ . He's still been mainly on RC up until two days ago, and was trying very small additions of the other foods in with the RC over a period of time. My reason for trying to change was to get him off the very expensive RC, as I have six dogs I can't afford the high price of some of these kibbles. As I said he is staying on JW no matter what unless long term use dictates otherwise.
Incidentally, you can use RC immediately without any period of gradually weaning them onto it - why is this?
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Don't believe it - marketing ploy imho
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Don't believe it - marketing ploy imho
What I don't understand then, is why you can put a dog or pup onto RC without any weaning as they say - my vet said it was perfectly ok to do this - but not other kibble? What is it in the RC that other kibble doesn't have, which would clear up an upset tum? Which it did with Woody ...
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I wouldn't change diet quickly with ANY kibble. My pups go on a good quality one, although I admit I wouldn't pay RC p[rices even if they DO have a Brittany on their bags, but it is soaked to oblivion to start with and gradually fed firmer as they get their teeth. They get one meal a day to start with, then 2, then three till they are up to four meals a day at 4 weeks. That is what I call weaning. RC is no different from other good quality kibbles if you check the packaging.
I was at a Seminar on Sunday and the local RC rep, talking on nutrition, said that one of the pros of RC was good packaging - I asked her what influence that had on the quality of the food and she mumbled and jumbled - 'it protects the food better' was all she could come up with. High profile flashy bags and extensive advertising increases prices not the quality imho
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Don't believe it - marketing ploy imho
What I don't understand then, is why you can put a dog or pup onto RC without any weaning as they say - my vet said it was perfectly ok to do this - but not other kibble? What is it in the RC that other kibble doesn't have, which would clear up an upset tum? Which it did with Woody ...
Does your vet sell RC by any chance? :innocent: :innocent:
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Does your vet sell RC by any chance? :innocent: :innocent:
Umm how did you guess .. :thinking:
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I have never switched them over gradually and never have problems. I do have one with a bit of a sensitive stomach at the moment but even he is fine on a quick switch.
Helen
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I think you may have been lucky, Helen. Most breeders and vets will say to change gradually. I personally have never chanced changing quickly, even with adults, but then neither have I switched foods much. I have found a brand that suits my breed and my pocket, and have stuck to it.