The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: harry on May 20, 2009, 06:51:31 pm
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How do you pinion wings is it a diy job... harry
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From what i;m aware this is certainly not a d.i.y job and is considered really cruel.Its basically like cutting a hand off.One of my call ducks had been pinioned before i bought her and even though she lives a normal life i still wish the previous owner hadnt had it done.From what i;ve read online if it isnt done when they;re young enough they can bleed heavily(sometimes fatally).It would be alot better for the bird to just clip their wings per moult
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if it involves mutilation then odd on its banned. read defra's exciting range of animal welfare books.
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I cannot imagine why any nice person would even think of doing such a thing to a poor defenceless bird.
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ime buying some flying turkey eggs and am told by the seller to pinion the wings of any breeding stock that i will keep at day old. As i dont know much about it i cant give an informed opinion about if its cruel or not and was looking for someone with experience for guidance. Is it cruel to castorate various animals, likewise punching holes in animals ears for tags, in my inexperienced opinion maybe pinioning a wing at day old would be no worse, l dont know thats why ive asked, hopefully a person with experience could advise me. harry
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Wild turkeys are they not usually penned. Whats wrong with clipping there flight feathers.
here is a good web site
http://www.fishpondinfo.com/birds/turkcare.htm#care (http://www.fishpondinfo.com/birds/turkcare.htm#care)
hope this helps. please read the defra guides. they are useful
this is taken from it remember its the law.
53. Dewinging, pinioning, notching or tendon severing, which involve mutilation of wing tissue, must not be undertaken. When it is necessary to reduce the effects of flightiness, the flight feathers of one wing may be clipped.
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THANKS SHETLANDPAUL thats the kind of informed info i was looking for, i will now just cut the flight feathers. Yes the turkeys for the shoot will be left to fly but i will be keeping some breeding stock for next year so they need to be flightless as they will be kept as free range.... HARRY
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were are you harry. If in the UK are you sure your allowed to release wild turkeys. the poor wood pigeons will get a complex. I would get some advice before doing it. You could end up with rather large fines if caught. Defra is all hot and bothered about non native releases. Imagine if a few of the turkeys survive and start a population may not appear to do any harm but they may out compete the native wildlife.
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Looks like he's in Norwich so will have to abide by UK laws.
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Would you know what they are doganjo that would be helpfull. All i can tell you is that they have been released in shoots for a few years now in the uk and are readily available on ebay discribed as for releasing with pheasants...have a look, type in ebay Item number: 270394381977 , turkey hatching eggs, you will see usa wild turkeys, sellers are also DEFRA registerd ????????? harry
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/24/usa.julianborger ;D
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It is illegal to allow any animal which is not ordinarily resident in Great Britain, or is listed on Schedule 9 to the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, to escape into the wild, or to release it into the wild without a licence. It is also illegal to plant or otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant listed on Schedule 9 of the Act. Offences carry penalties of up to £5,000 fine and/or 2 years imprisonment. See domestic legislation for more detail.
http://www.jncc.gov.uk/PDF/waca1981_part1.pdf (http://www.jncc.gov.uk/PDF/waca1981_part1.pdf)
rather long.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/pdf/wildlife-manage/non-native/review-report.pdf (http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/pdf/wildlife-manage/non-native/review-report.pdf)
It would become fun having a 20+ lb stag turkey jumping at you when you went for a walk. Would they not out compete pheasants etc
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Not so long ago an idiot landowner in the Highlands of Scotland wanted to 're-wild' his estate with bears and wolves. Similar thing perhaps to allowing turkeys to roam wild?
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wolves would help keep the red deer numbers down and walkers too.
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I think it is our right to walk our own hills is it not? Nemo me impune lacessit! ;)
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indeed and I'm sure the wolves will be happy to see you to. but seriously there a very few attacks on humans by them. not sure that my ponies or sheep would approve. Releasing foreign animals can be very damaging. minks, crayfish, squirrels, come to mind
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Strangely enough, wolves don't scare me as much as bears! ;D
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They only want to give you a hug. ;D
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Where can i get some wolves to put on my land or maybe the odd bear, cant get a tiger can l .... better than geese....
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you want to meet our gander hes guarding his goslings. A very brave tiger would think twice about going near him. the girls have to hide in the fruit cage to throw them some maize. I would call them chicken but Ive seen the peck marks.
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hey shetland... i dought theres much chance of wild turkeys being a problem .... lets face it if you are a gun person and i am and youre out on your land and you see a stray turkey from another shoot, how long survival time would you give it?.... its only the disipline of not shooting to many hen pheasants that ensures they are there for next year, they could be wiped out in 2 years if required.... by the way the wild stag turkeys MIGHT make 16lb ..... it seems that these turkeys have beeen imported and bred and released for over 5 years now, i think if there was a problem defra would have acted, but they are for sale now in even bigger numbers... Perhaps i will not look for wolves etc i will leave them for the scots, ive got some geese coming on and a cockeral that you need to carry a broom when you collect the eggs.... harry
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painful if your not watching. we tend to give him a chase before getting the eggs it usually keeps his agro under control. I doubt defra knows its upto you but don't say you've not been warned. Imagine the marks a bad tempered turkey could make.
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just had a thought.... i dont get many...... this is a non topic releasing turkeys onto my own shoot.... surely thats free range isnt it... no different from any other poultry... these turkeys cant fly as a starling, they fly upwards to the top of trees, some of my chickens can almost do that.
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there either wild and a good shot or your shooting semi tame birds. i really would have a word with them and see. At what point would you release them as they are greedy eaters its going to cost a lot in food. remember it would only take one person seeing them to report it for the paper shufflers to come after you.