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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: deepinthewoods on September 20, 2012, 11:15:57 am
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causes mamary tumours and kidney and liver damage and premature death.. the evidence is starting to come out.
http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/09/19/4274523/first-peer-reviewed-lifetime-feeding.html (http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/09/19/4274523/first-peer-reviewed-lifetime-feeding.html)
http://naturalsociety.com/france-launches-investigation-gmos-following-tumor-study/ (http://naturalsociety.com/france-launches-investigation-gmos-following-tumor-study/)
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I've been against it from the start. It's getting very difficult to avoid though. MY feed supplier couldn't find any dairy nuts that were guaranteed gm free so I ended up with one that might be but might not.
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I avoid anything containing maize.
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I avoid anything containing maize.
me to, I always get lost.
ahem, sorry, I'll get my coat
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ouch. corny...
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I've barley started...
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well dont keep us wheating...
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Rye chaps , rye
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leave it oat will ya?
BTW, a prize for anyone who can use sorgum
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i cracked my tooth earlier ive now got a sorghum.
try couscous?
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Is that how it is spelt ?
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Wheat have we started here!
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Turning into a cereal this is
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keep it clean, we cant be getting rude or bulgur. (sorry)
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Hope too many people don't read this thread , it may panicum !
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just dont tell them, i never grass.
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There does seem to be more than a grain of evidence that GM crops are bad for you. :idea:
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I avoid anything containing maize.
And what about soya - just about all processed foods contain some - and all those livestock products that are not certified organic and therefore hopefully GM free? As has been said - it's almost impossible these days to buy any feed that doesn't contain GM... It's getting more and more difficult.
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Yep , the very reason i am setting everything up to supply all i need . All veg , old varieties . Same with grains , hemp , flax , cotton , fruit etc etc .
Due to monsantos gm insanity and there poison roundup , there are now roundup resistant mega weeds . What is their answer ? They are now using part of agent orange . The defoliant they sprayed vietnam with and killed hundreds of thousands and caused illness and deformety in millions . Monsanto are an evil disgusting company that will cause untold death and destruction on the world as they have for 50 years .
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Iv'e got shares in Monsanto and they are really doing well :innocent:
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corruption is quite profitable. defunct morally of course but hey, as long as your making a few quid.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/03/wikileaks-us-eu-gm-crops (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/03/wikileaks-us-eu-gm-crops)
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It was a choice Deep. Invest my money in companies that made it worthwhile doing so or fritter it away on rubbish.
Glaxo Smith Kline. BP. Monsanto and Imperial Tobacco Company
All proved to be worthwhile.
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i cracked my tooth earlier ive now got a sorghum.
try couscous?
I...I... t..t..tend to k..keep quiet, cous....cous I've g...got a s...s...stutter.
Garden organic have been fighting against gm foods since they started but when do governments listen once thye've made their minds up.
If anyone knows of organic dairy nuts or once that are guaranteed gm free, please let me know.
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mgm brilliant!!! :thumbsup:
castle. out of interest, would you feed gm to your chickens? your family?
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mgm brilliant!!! :thumbsup:
Thanks. I was rather proud of it. Just don't ask me to do another one. ;D
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quinoa?? :innocent:
or is that a step to farro.
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Deep, No way. Totally organic my lot. :eyelashes:
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ah but developing african nations where monsanto has the monoply, theyre fine?
just so im clear? :eyelashes:
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quinoa?? :innocent:
or is that a step to farro.
Quinoa? Hmmmm. I think I'm not going to be able to sleep now. Hmmmm. Quinoa.
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I'm quite happy to eat gm food but then I've got a background in genetics. Had a quick look at the study as reported in various publications (not seen the raw stats) and from a critical appraisal viewpoint it raises many questions for me. Why did they initially release the results to journalists on condition that those results weren't shared with other researchers? Journalists are notouriously crap at interpreting research stats.
Doesn't mean the data is wrong but I'd need much more rigourous appraisal and a higher level of evidence to convince me. Which is what the french government seems to be requesting.
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I can't see the mechanism for GM food causing those problems either. Doesn't mean they don't just because I don't understand it :D but I'm sceptical still.
Castle Farm, you're not serious, that's a wind-up isn't it?
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As I expected the response from teh scientific community raises serious concerns aboutt the data and interpretation
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/pages/press_releases/12-09-19_gm_maize_rats_tumours.htm (http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/pages/press_releases/12-09-19_gm_maize_rats_tumours.htm)
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Enough said, for me. No proven effect.
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yup me too.
i would be very interested in seeing a 'proper' report and test tho. theres no smoke without fire and all that, and monsantos arms are long and their pockets are deep and full of lighters.
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Here's one for the siege mentality minority to ponder,
What if they geneticaly encode crops to fail if a chemical trigger is dropped ?
what a weapon that would make , instant starvation for your enemies , ie, the rest of the world.
I hope Monsanto doesn't read this. :-J
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http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Petition_pour_labolition_de_Monsanto/?cEtzTab (http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Petition_pour_labolition_de_Monsanto/?cEtzTab)
yes i know its a petition...... :innocent:
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Too late mate , this has already been mentioned , if not done but , monsanto already have the death gene in their seed, as in their cotton , wheat and soya , whereby , the plant does not produce viable seed at harvest , the grower has to go back to monsanto to buy more death gene seed .
This is a main reason for the death of thousands of cotton farmers in India , and the repeated crop failure of the cotton plant in the last few years .
The women in India don't get left out either . Thousands of them have died due to roundup poisoning , it is now in the water table there .
This is due to increased use of roundup due to super weeds becoming roundup ready , and thus the use of industrial strength roundup to try to kill the weeds .
This is also now failing , so what do they do ? , they go back to their other blessed gift to mankind 'agent orange' , or at least one of the main ingredients in their death to humanity product !
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theres no smoke without fire and all that
I'm not so sure, the general populations' sense of anything scientific is pretty abysmal. Most folk are convinced that gamma-irradiated strawberries for example are somehow made 'radioactive' by the process and would apparently rather eat ones covered in invisible fungicides instead. And believe that things that are 'natural' are good and 'unnatural' are bad. Not so sure anyone ingesting cyanide or hemlock would agree, nor the many of us who have had cause to benefit from assorted unnatural things like pacemakers.
So I think it is easy to persuade people that GM is dangerous and the journalists that do it are as ignorant as most folk about it. I don't know if GM is dangerous or it isn't - but it hasn't been proven to be as yet.
Monsanto's arms are long and their pockets are deep and full of lighters
We agree there!
Rusty, you're absolutely right (of course ;)) about the F1 seed and it not producing viable seed itself and about the appalling safely record of companies like Monsanto in developing countries >:(
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monsanto's whole buisness model is based on monopolisation of the grain market. they control entire countrys via the method russ explained.
there is im sure good points to what they do i just havent found them yet im sure.
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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805 (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805)
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Because Monsanto claims that its GMOs create higher yields and therefore comparatively higher revenues per acre for struggling American farmers, they're certainly a tempting option. On the surface, that is. Monsanto controls its seeds with an iron fist, so even if you happen to own a farm next to another farm upon which Monsanto seeds are used, and if those seeds migrate onto your land, Monsanto can sue you for royalties (http://www.mindfully.org/GE/2005/Monsanto-Sues-Farmers30jan05.htm).
Additionally, if you use seeds from crops grown from Monsanto seeds, a process known as "seed cleaning," you also have to pay royalties to Monsanto or it will sue you. All told, Monsanto has recovered $15 million in royalties by suing farmers, with individual settlements ranging from five figures to millions of dollars each.''
that was liftef from.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/02/04/monsanto-the-evil-corporation-in-your-refrigerator/ (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/02/04/monsanto-the-evil-corporation-in-your-refrigerator/)
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and how it all works.
http://grist.org/article/attack-of-the-superweeds/ (http://grist.org/article/attack-of-the-superweeds/)
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a bit more on the study from the beginning of this thread.
''And that’s why this latest study is important. It’s not that it “proves” GMOs are harmful to humans. It’s that a single study like this one can represent the only lifetime study of the effects of eating GMOs.''
http://grist.org/food/the-latest-gmo-study-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers/?postpost=v2 (http://grist.org/food/the-latest-gmo-study-raises-more-questions-than-it-answers/?postpost=v2)
thats the issue here, 50% of the worlds corn is now gm. but there are no longterm impact studies. scary.
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So, why are people sucked into this morrass like rabbits mesmerised by a weasel? It only takes growers big or small to say no and where would Monsanto and the like be ? If only we weren't driven by money or greed :( :( :( :(
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all seed producing company's rule with an iron fist long before Monsanto ruled the farmers were being sued for growing new variety's without the appropriate licence grain and potatoes were just a few the roster variety that was Albert Bartlet that owned them and controlled the growing of them :farmer:
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Sylvia , in India the subsistance cotton farmers , who had survived generation after generation , by harvesting their cotton crop and collecting the seed from the best plants , to improve their crop over time . This seed collection is part of the boll harvesting process and is free .
Monsanto , using their own unsubstantiated and flawed data , told the farmers that their seed would be very cheap , almost negligable , and would be a far better crop , more cotton = more £ , and it would be roundup ready and therefore make their life so much easier via no weeding .
The farmers accepted this and grew the gm cotton seed . It failed !
Crops were down 60% . Then the farmers found out about the death gene . This is not an F1 first cross JK , but a genetic modification of the seed that makes it effectively a sterile plant .
Therefore the farmers had to go back to monsanto , or one of the thousands of seed suppliers that monsanto now own , to buy fresh seed year after year .
The crop has continued to fail , the farmers unable to support their families have been commiting suicide at the rate of 1 every 30 seconds .
The price of cotton has gone up worldwide and the Indian farmers are still suffering . Now with less cotton to sell = less £ and more costs on roundup and now industrial strength roundup plus the cost of the death gene seed from monsanto which went through the roof once monsanto had their hold .
The farmers can't go back to non gm seed as they don't have any now , and where they do get some it crosses with gm crops and they are back to death gene crop again , which is a monsanto patent and monsanto then demand payment for growing their patented plants or they sue the farmers .
The same thing has happened in the USA . 85% of soya is now gm , 60% wheat ( i think ?) and corn (maize ) is anywhere between 40% and 80% gm . The cross pollination figures are unknown , or at least , not published .
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theyve done the same to the eggplant grown in india. well they actually took an existing disease resistant non gm cultivar, made it sterile then patented it. causing the same problem.
so far estimates are 250 000 idian farmers have commited suicide due to monsanto.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/03/monsanto-india-biopiracy-farmers_n_992259.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/03/monsanto-india-biopiracy-farmers_n_992259.html)
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rustyme and deepinthewoods what you have both said is that Monsanto are like the drug barons supplie the drugs in this case seed for free or next to free then they are hooked
but in this case it is cotton which is a commodity so eliminate the cheep Indian cotton then the American cotton is dominant and gets a higher price as it is the only one left
FFS why did i not put my money into Monsanto i could have been a millionare by now :farmer:
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castle farm. you might want to think about those shares....
http://naturalsociety.com/5-million-farmers-sue-monsanto-for-7-billion/ (http://naturalsociety.com/5-million-farmers-sue-monsanto-for-7-billion/)
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robert that is EXACTLY what they do. well said.
its not me 'saying' this stuff. its proven facts widely available on the internet with a little research, hence my links to support what russ and i are saying.
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shovelling s**t stimulates the brain the Indians pay scant regard to safety my neighbour ran a steel mill in India and the first thing he changed was the wearing of safety equipment bare footed workers in a smelting plant not good and we all know the affects of nerve agents which is roundup which is organophosphate and spray drift can cause massive depression
but that is one way of eliminating the opposition and jacking your commodity up in value :farmer:
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Yeh! it's dropped a bit but hey why worry :innocent:
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MON (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MON)
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ouch 15% in the last 4 yrs.
i bet you were clever tho, and bought them years ago.
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neonicotinoids, gmo and bees dying.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/04/09/mystery-of-the-disappearing-bees-solved/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/04/09/mystery-of-the-disappearing-bees-solved/)
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You should look at Rothamsted's GM trials in Hertfordshire http://www.rothamsted.ac.uk/Content.php?Section=AphidWheat (http://www.rothamsted.ac.uk/Content.php?Section=AphidWheat)
Rothamsted is publicly funded and don't patent protect their work. I think it's a good thing - and so does my friend the organic wheat farmer right next door to their site. They are being really careful with the trials to avoid either contamination or escapes
Rothamsted have also undertaken extensive research into bees over many decades
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nothing wrong with research, its monopoly thats the problem.
this is the problem: showing people whats actually happening right now across the world, maybe its my style of delivery. it seems wierd tho, when pig farmers across the country are shutting down and everyones moaning about feed and food costs, when you look at monsanto you can see it is basically the cause.
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i don't think Monsanto can be blamed for the crisis in the pig industry it started with dioxins in the feed in germany which reduced the sales of pork and caused a glut reducing the demand and causing a surplus combined with the economic downturn and the poor weather in Britain and Europe and the drought in America cant see how Monsanto is responsible for the weather just wait till the cattle and sheep industry suffer the same as the pig industry has :farmer:
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pig farmer on radio5 this morning, 2000 sows sending off 500/week. shutting down to farm arable, solely blamed feed prices.
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Sent you a link Dave via text . Some info on there about your friend and mine monsanto . I cant put the link on here , but i would rather get it cross checked first anyway . If it pans out , it would seem that they are making a very dangerous move , dangerous for us that is , not them .
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ok got it. do u want me to put it up.
i was aware that obama had signed over all crops, food, and the means of procuring them, from the people and to the government. (basically enshrining slavery again) under homeland security rules, i had supposed monsanto would fall into that, but didnt know they were already being used.
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Upto you mate . As long as the info pans out ok as best as can be checked , then it can do no harm .
Might make some think , the mra brigade will do their usual , but f eckem .
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i sort of knew you were going to say that...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html)
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lol , i am rather predictable i know ;-)
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going by the test i am a terrorist so bring it on big boys and on reflection and thinking about something i must be on there list it is all coming together
i hope they are reading all my posts and can make more sense of them than some :roflanim:
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i sort of knew you were going to say that...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html)
But can we believe this or is it another hyped up load of twaddle written by some doomsdayer.
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The whole point of putting the link up , is so that people don't have to believe the shite that the mp's and msm spew out . Read the link , then use the internet to find out if it pans out .
Another way to do it is follow the money .
Once you find someone who gains no money or power from what they say , you start to uncover the truth . It takes a lot of digging to remove all the layers of shite . But it is there .
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i sort of knew you were going to say that...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Homeland_Security_is_Working_for_Monsanto_/21656/0/0/0/Y/M.html)
But can we believe this or is it another hyped up load of twaddle written by some doomsdayer.
thats entirely up to you! i have read up on this and other subjects and in general most of them pan out. russ or i, cant and dont want, to persuade you, all i want is that people actually take the time to research these things for themselves. unfortunately, the truth is hard to find, and its normally so scary it puts people off. so they choose to ignore whats happening around them.
which is exactly what companys like monsanto want you to do. ;)
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ok so ive been doing some thinking about monsanto and how it affects grain prices. quite simple really. they reduce the amount of non gm grain there is to the market. as britain is non gm it pushes the prices up.
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Nothing to do with the highest rainfall for years then, interesting thought Deep.
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i thought it was because the world grain price had risen.
because of hedging in the grain market.
heres a good read. to save time just look at the pie charts on page13.
http://www.wdm.org.uk/sites/default/files/Broken-markets.pdf (http://www.wdm.org.uk/sites/default/files/Broken-markets.pdf)
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The USA has had one of the worse grain harvests in many years due to drought.
The UK has had above average rainfall and even the farmer I buy my wheat from had a fungal infection in the crop.
Grain is in short supply because of weather conditions across the world.
If it isn't cropping well the price will bound to go up.
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that doesnt explain the last 2 years.
the price is being inflated due to hedging. have alook at the piechart on page 13 of that pdf.
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The price is also being inflated by 40% of the crop being used to make ethanol for US cars. The US gov't has declined to remove the biofuel obligation, so prices will stay high.
But I agree that the futures markets have a murky role in this too