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Title: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 01, 2012, 02:29:41 pm
Last night (Tuesday 31st July) at 9pm 3 men in a white van pulled up outside my house. One of them opened my side gate went into the garden and stole my black and white pygmy goat called Bella. They then returned 30 minutes later to try and steal our horse. The white van had 2 ladders on the roof and had the registration EK09 EPD. If anyone has heard or seen anything please call the police, we have filed a report and they are looking for her. We are all devastated Bella has gone, she is part of our family. If you can help by telling our story or at least passing on the information to friends and family in the Brentwood, Essex area please do. We think they came for our horse so won’t be prepared with goat food or correct goat enclosures so she may end up starving, escaping or being mistreated. Please, PLEASE call the police she will be making a right racket being separated from us so you will hear her.
We have been told that Ramadan is nearly over and goats and sheep take a high price this time of year. Makes me want to be sick  :'(
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 01, 2012, 02:31:30 pm
That is awful.  I'm so sorry you are having to go through this.  I hope you get Bella back soon.   :bouquet:
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Post by: Brucklay on August 01, 2012, 02:32:42 pm
How auful Warescot Farm - do I have permission to add your plea to my pygmy goat website and FB page - thinking of you Clare
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 01, 2012, 02:35:48 pm
Yes please Clare we are desperate to get her back, please spread the word as far and wide as you can. Brentwood police are the ones searching for her, with no luck I might add :(
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Post by: HelenVF on August 01, 2012, 03:01:03 pm
How horrible :-(((( will put it on fb but don't think anyone is in that area. Still, might be able to share.

Helen
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Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 01, 2012, 03:22:18 pm
I have cross posted on the Horse and Hound forum as there are many tens of thousands of peeps on there so will be a lot on that area, and horsey peeps are used to looking out for dodgy characters. I really hope you have good news, so sorry this has happened. Hopefully it isnt Ramadan linked given the horse theft attempt part and perhaps it is itinerants looking to make a quick buck selling them on - which hopefully means they might be recovered.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=553420 (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=553420)
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Post by: Brucklay on August 01, 2012, 04:26:04 pm
Response from FB - Jane wrote: "A few weeks ago, in the Staffordshire Moorlands, it was reported that Gypsies (or Travellers) were in the area targeting mainly horses. A white transit van was mentioned then. This may be info the Police could look into? The best of luck.x"
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 01, 2012, 04:38:19 pm
Thanks everyone x
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Post by: Mammyshaz on August 01, 2012, 04:51:31 pm
  :bouquet: how distressing. Hope she is found soon and the culprits get what they deserve  >:(
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Post by: NormandyMary on August 01, 2012, 05:17:33 pm
Im sitting here FUMING with rage. There are some really nasty beings out there..I cant even call them human, they dont deserve the title. You are in my thoughts and I send you my very best wishes for a positive outcome. I can only imagine what you are going through. I wish you all the luck in the world.
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Post by: Hermit on August 01, 2012, 05:40:25 pm
There are no words to describe the sort of people that steal. Have you looked back on all the 'pygmy goats wanted' ads in your area , sometimes folk steal with the idea of selling on to these folks. I doubt if it was Ramadan linked as the markets are full of goats for sale purely for this purpose , the goats go for peanuts or used to . The horse theft attempt is suss if they only wanted the goats for ramadan as well. I think they stole with a buyer in mind as for the horse... ah the wonders of the internet sales and anonymity. Hope you get a result in your search for your goats, the police have a lot to go on by the sounds of it.
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Post by: plumseverywhere on August 01, 2012, 06:27:19 pm
Really awful, so sorry  :(
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Post by: deepinthewoods on August 01, 2012, 06:32:40 pm
thats awful, i hope you get your goat back safe and they catch the scum who did this :fc:
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Post by: the great composto on August 01, 2012, 06:43:25 pm
that number plate EK09 EPD is for a red nissan micra not a white van :o

I really hope you get your pygmy back.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: plumseverywhere on August 01, 2012, 06:47:51 pm
that number plate EK09 EPD is for a red nissan micra not a white van :o

I really hope you get your pygmy back.


oh dear so its not even the right plate (not surprisingly sadly).  We've got several cars on our local travellers site that share one plate! Daft thing is, its a personalised plate and really stands out  ::)


I think Hermits has a brilliant idea about potentially tracing your goat by checking the ad's for wanted out. maybe ask in the local agri store if anyone's been in asking if anyone wants a goat or local farm parks might have been approached   
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Post by: little blue on August 01, 2012, 07:21:11 pm
that's disgusting.
my billy's little sister was stolen, along with a pony....

hope she can be found and returned home to you
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Post by: bangbang on August 01, 2012, 07:27:43 pm
Hope you get Bella back safe and soon, and I hope they get the sh*ts and lock them up!
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Post by: HappyHippy on August 01, 2012, 07:47:44 pm
I'm so sorry - I'll post it on my fb page too, the more folk who know and share the better.
Evil, dirty, rotten, ba***rds  >:(
Sending {{{HUGS}}}  :-*
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Post by: Marsbar on August 01, 2012, 08:34:42 pm
That is really dispicable behavior,  i hope Bella is found safe & sound :fc:
 
Richard
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Post by: robate55 on August 01, 2012, 09:19:39 pm
Awful. I have posted to facebook & friends are spreading it
Rose
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 01, 2012, 11:14:55 pm
yep I am searching wanted's now and will call agricultural shop tomorrow (crown corner as per horse and hound), gazette coming tomorrow to do a story too and we are off to check out the local travellers site

Thank you so much for your support, it is really encouraging to know the word is getting out there.

My husband drove past the traveller site today, no sight or sound. x
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 01, 2012, 11:16:01 pm
OUr horse is so sad :(
See our profile picture they were just best buddies cuddling up like that every night
she is definatley depressed, don't know how long to wait before getting her a companion :(
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: adamhfc on August 02, 2012, 01:30:18 am
will post on the reptile forum am on as has goat and other animals as well and there are people from that area there also xx
 
hope shes found
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Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 02, 2012, 09:08:51 am
this is so bad travelers or poles for food ,iv herd that they've  shot swans with a crossbow
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Post by: feldar on August 02, 2012, 09:41:34 am
So sad, i hope she comes back i know this is a big ask but do you have a photo of her or a good description so we know what to look out for
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Post by: jinglejoys on August 02, 2012, 10:15:35 am
Added it to my facebook page
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Post by: countrywoman on August 02, 2012, 11:59:05 am
This is everyone's worst nightmare - so sorry to read of your terrible news.  Cloning number plates seems to be standard behaviour and they get away with it. 
 
Is it worth going to your local traveller site, asking if you can put up a poster and crying your eyes out?  Not accusing, just asking.  I'd be prepared to give it a try if it was my goat although I know that you need to be careful and have someone with you etc.  Years ago a man I knew had his Staffie stolen and took his devastated children to the nearest site to ask for help and later the dog was found tied up near his home.  Coincidence of course.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: plumseverywhere on August 02, 2012, 12:19:42 pm
Its not a bad idea at all to go up there (with someone) see if you can find out who the 'king' is up there and speak with him. Like I said before the Majority of travellers are very good and decent people and quite keen to maintain good relations with local 'country people'. Your local shop/post office will most likely know who's who on the site  :)
There was a spate of thefts from our local poultry suppliers once, they spoke to the king (my best friends dad funnily enough!) and he had all the coops etc returned within 24 hours and made the perp's stand and apologise. He gave financial compensation and they've never had trouble since.
Anything is worth a try. If I was local to you I'd come with you x
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Post by: clydesdaleclopper on August 02, 2012, 12:47:13 pm
That is such awful news. I really hope you get her back.
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Post by: little blue on August 02, 2012, 02:23:31 pm
Bella has been well Facebooked, alot of my friends have shared it round the country. just hope it helps
 :-*
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 02, 2012, 02:35:01 pm
I've facebooked it and put it on goaty friends FB page.
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Post by: Roxy on August 02, 2012, 05:00:30 pm
So sorry about Bella - do hope you find her safe and well.
I am not defending travellers, but ....we have some rogues round here who are not travellers, and are quite capable of taking hens, goats etc. so its not always travellers.  Having said that, no one should think they have a right to help themselves to peoples much loved animals.
Have you a local livestock market?  May be worth putting up a poster there, as obviously animal minded people will visit a market, and also mention it in the market office, so if a pygmy goat is brought in to sell, they can alert you.  Just a thought, as I know they do it when horses go missing.
Also, contact animal rescue centres in your area, just in case someone has taken Bella, then realised after a day or two that you are looking for her, and dumped her in a field or something, and she has ended up at an animal centre. 
A notice on the board in your local vets is also another good idea .....may jog peoples memories if they suddenly notice a new goat in their neighbourhood.
 
 
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Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 02, 2012, 05:15:57 pm
The van plates have been changed ,so robbing eney think is normal fuel animals etc ,A reward might make some think happen.
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Post by: Roxy on August 02, 2012, 05:25:28 pm
Yes, its surprising when a reward is mentioned that people can suddenly find the missing animal/item. 
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Post by: sabrina on August 02, 2012, 05:45:09 pm
Just horrible, do hope she is back home soon  :fc:
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 02, 2012, 07:18:26 pm
thanks everyone so far I have:
- contacted local radio
- have an article in newspaper
- contacted local vets
- contacted all local animal sancutarys
- contacted RSPCA
- contacted livestock markets
- contacted livestock feed shops nearby
- contacted anyone who has an ad locally looking to buy a goat
- spoken to all local slaughter houses and halal shops
- contacted all pygmy goat agencies and breedies I can find
- somone has it on horse and hound
- it has been put on freecycle and preloved
- we have driven past the local traveller site, advice is not to go in as they have been known to be violent
- hasseled the police (they are doing nothing)
- tonnes of people have it on facebook

any other ideas? x
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Anke on August 02, 2012, 09:44:16 pm
Given that these people may well be back for your pony I would try and reduce the accessibilty of your garden/field - a sign saying that security cameras are in operation (even if they aren't, but tell everyone who asks that there really are some!), padlock the gates (which won't necessarily deter thieves, but will make it slower/more difficult etc for someone to gain access), also a sign that guard dog is on the premises.) It is most likely that your little goat was stolen to order, had her ear tags removed, and they knew what to come for.
 
Also tatto-ing ears in the future may well be helpful, at least if trying to find her.
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Post by: adamhfc on August 02, 2012, 10:23:41 pm
thanks everyone so far I have:
- contacted local radio
- have an article in newspaper
- contacted local vets
- contacted all local animal sancutarys
- contacted RSPCA
- contacted livestock markets
- contacted livestock feed shops nearby
- contacted anyone who has an ad locally looking to buy a goat
- spoken to all local slaughter houses and halal shops
- contacted all pygmy goat agencies and breedies I can find
- somone has it on horse and hound
- it has been put on freecycle and preloved
- we have driven past the local traveller site, advice is not to go in as they have been known to be violent
- hasseled the police (they are doing nothing)
- tonnes of people have it on facebook

any other ideas? x

its on a reptile forum as well  :innocent:
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Post by: plumseverywhere on August 03, 2012, 08:06:18 am
What about contacting Animal health at your local trading standards? they might have heard of previous and have advice.



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Post by: littlelugs on August 03, 2012, 09:12:38 am
your local council and any nearby surrounding councils as when animals are dumped on verges,community gardens etc its them that have to deal with it. i know someone dumped 15 horses in bridgend on a peice of waste land and it was the council who had to organise getting them rounded up and moved to rescues etc.... longshot but worth a try  :fc:
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Post by: Penninehillbilly on August 03, 2012, 11:27:51 am
Put posters up with a picture? (offering reward?)
where you have permission of course.
local school - don't know if that would be possible but kids talk?
 
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Post by: Burrwoodfm on August 03, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
This makes me cry just reading it.  I can't even begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I think you mentioned that you have a page for her on Facebook - what is it under, as then I can share it.  I am down in Devon, so will raise awareness down here too, just in case they are trying to sell her somewhere else.
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Post by: Bumblebear on August 03, 2012, 03:38:56 pm
Heartbreaking.  Have you contacted petting places/farm attractions...they often taken them in...worth a phone call or two.....
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 03, 2012, 04:51:23 pm
This makes me cry just reading it.  I can't even begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I think you mentioned that you have a page for her on Facebook - what is it under, as then I can share it.  I am down in Devon, so will raise awareness down here too, just in case they are trying to sell her somewhere else.

I just copied the original post and pasted it in my status.
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Post by: plumseverywhere on August 03, 2012, 06:32:03 pm
Do you have any horse fairs coming up locally?


When we go to Stow, there's always all sorts of animals, birds and livestock for sale.
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 03, 2012, 08:49:30 pm
WE HAVE FOUND BELLA!
Well we know where she is in Kent, the traveller site behind Darenth Valley Hospital, we know the name of the person who has her, his full description and vehicle.
But... so far Kent police can't collect as Essex police haven't sent an email, trying to get Essex police to send an email is like getting blood from a stone. They are actively trying to sell her so not sure we will get her back. We have been advised that traveller site is not one to approach by their liason officer.
 :fc:
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Post by: in the hills on August 03, 2012, 08:54:07 pm
Really hope you get her back  :fc: .


 :bouquet:
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Post by: clydesdaleclopper on August 03, 2012, 09:14:47 pm
Start jumping up and down on Essex police
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Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 03, 2012, 09:43:41 pm
Brilliant news.   ;D ;D ;D   Keep on at Essex police and good luck.
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Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 03, 2012, 10:14:34 pm
WE HAVE FOUND BELLA!
Well we know where she is in Kent, the traveller site behind Darenth Valley Hospital, we know the name of the person who has her, his full description and vehicle.
But... so far Kent police can't collect as Essex police haven't sent an email, trying to get Essex police to send an email is like getting blood from a stone. They are actively trying to sell her so not sure we will get her back. We have been advised that traveller site is not one to approach by their liason officer.
 :fc:

(Although it has to be your decision of course, and you might not want to risk it), If it were me, I would go there. Our local site at our last house was one which the police would only go into with helicopters and armed back up. But if we were looking for a missing animal we would go in there and talk to the occupants. They are far more hostile to the police coming in than they are to ordinary people, especially a woman, though they will try to bluff it out and will also prob demand an enormous figure for its return.
We can be PC about 'making assumptions' but the white vans with false plates (often shared between a number of 'pool' vehicles at the site) is the classic operating style of the less reputable members of the travelling community and was certainly the method used by our local site eg when flytipping (block lane at both ends with 2 transits to prevent being filmed) or burgling sheds (seen by us), and the disinclination of the police to go in without assembling a posse first just gives ample opportunity for stolen goods to be spirited away, wanted suspects to be removed from the scene etc.
I am keeping all fingers crossed that Bella is returned safe and sound.
 
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Post by: luckylady on August 03, 2012, 10:15:28 pm
 :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc:  Everything crossed for you and Bella.  I hope you manage to get some sleep tonight - it must now be very frustrating for you knowing where she is but being unable to go get her.
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Post by: WarescotFarm on August 03, 2012, 10:25:24 pm
I am all for going in, but at every turn people are telling me not to go
I want to just go and try and buy her back even, apparently they have a little farm shop at the edge of the site that they sometimes sell livestock from, it is a case of turn up and see if someone is there. i am considering that angle, just saying i want a goat and see
oh i don't know  ???
i also don't want them to be cross and come back to our house if the police reclaim her
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Post by: jinglejoys on August 03, 2012, 11:12:45 pm
I'd tell the police you are going in they will then be forced to act.One of those police chase [rogrammes the other night was saying how the police have an arrangement that they can cross borders so don't take any excuses! It took my local lot FOUR hours and seven police vehicles,armed response etc to do nothing about the two traveller dogs that killed my goats and despite two court visits I did not even get an apology!!!!!!! The police are too scared but they have to turn up if you say you are going in
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Post by: adamhfc on August 04, 2012, 12:36:11 am
wish i was closer as i would come with you realy hope you get her back i know shes a pet but its a kick in the teeth that you have to buy your own animal back but i would be the same
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Post by: Penninehillbilly on August 04, 2012, 01:12:42 am
 :fc:  hope all ends well
Any chance of demanding to see someone higher up in the force?
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Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 04, 2012, 07:55:43 am
I am all for going in, but at every turn people are telling me not to go
I want to just go and try and buy her back even, apparently they have a little farm shop at the edge of the site that they sometimes sell livestock from, it is a case of turn up and see if someone is there. i am considering that angle, just saying i want a goat and see
oh i don't know  ???
i also don't want them to be cross and come back to our house if the police reclaim her
The shop thing sounds like a good 'reason' for you to turn up.
The alternative is to tell the police that you or your relatives will be going there to reclaim the animal and that you fear a breach of the police may occur, then the police will be obliged to come. But I do think the chances of successfully getting the animal returned are greater without the police involved, tho it may involve paying for the goat.
If you do go, and are negotiating, be firm on the price you will pay and also dont be intimidated by the shouting and effing and blinding and also people standing very very close to you when they do it. Its something I found very hard to cope with, having people right in my face and very threatening but it is just the community's normal way of discussing things.
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Post by: Bionic on August 04, 2012, 08:10:13 am
Keeping my fingers crossed really tightly for you and Bella  :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc:
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Post by: plumseverywhere on August 04, 2012, 08:13:22 am
I'd go there.


Just prior to jingle joys having the dogs attack her goats, my friend opposite the site had her sheep killed by the same dogs. A friend of mine went onto the site to find out who owned the dogs and a name was given straight away by one of the majority of 'good' travellers who was sick of the cr*p being caused by the minority. However....the police said they couldnt' act without a minimum of 8 armoured vehicles ( ??? ) as a result nothign was done and jingle joys lost her goats  :'(   
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Post by: Brucklay on August 04, 2012, 08:58:45 am
Like others above - as they have a sort of shop it is a fine excuse to go and as you are pretty sure where she is I  would be worried she'd get moved on before anything official can be done about it - I really hope you get her back  :fc: :fc:
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Post by: HelenVF on August 04, 2012, 09:03:56 am
Brilliant news you know where she is! 

A friend had a border terrier stolen by them and the police refused to go in. They did and got the dog back!  I think i would go and try buy her back.

It is really disgusting that they have got something of yours and the police refuse to act.

Helen
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Post by: plumseverywhere on August 04, 2012, 09:33:11 am

It is really disgusting that they have got something of yours and the police refuse to act.

Helen


Infuriates me because its making certain traveller sectors into a lawless society, this is then a self perpetuating cycle as more crime is committed and the perpetrators know they can get away with it! My friend has called the police to the site where she lives and been told nothing can be done, I think the police are quite scared for their own health and safety based on issues that may have arisen in the past but where does that leave the lawabiding citizens? both traveller and non travellers who want a peaceful lawful way of life  :-\


All the times I've been onto the site - both invited and unannounced - I've had nothing but a curious and quite friendly welcome. I'm known up there now but prior to this I'd have dozens of small children dash out to see the 'country woman in her car' and teenage lads asking dozens of questions about who did I want to see and how much did I want for my motor  ::)   Being friendly but firm in my responses bode me well - no, i don't want to sell them my husbands company car and I just wanted to say some of their Akita dogs were loose on the road and might get run over etc...on the way back out "did you find who you were looking for miss?  oh good...drive careful....bye".     Didn't need 8 armoured vehicles for that now did I  ;)


I would really worry that they will move her on and you'll be too late - now that you know, you can bet they know you know!! 
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Post by: Roxy on August 04, 2012, 09:58:41 am
Oh, thats promising, that you know where Bella is.
Its well known that gypsies and police are not best buddies.  Councils have liaison officers, who are, lets say, trained  to deal with the travellers.  Maybe an idea to speak to them, and see if they could either go in alone to the traveller site, or go along with you?  That may be better than the Police?
Good luck, and hope you get Bella back soon.
With all the publicity, they hopefully will be glad to hand her back, no questions asked etc.!!
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Post by: SallyintNorth on August 04, 2012, 10:08:48 am
So glad to hear you have located Bella and she is alive.  Wishing you the very best of luck in now getting her home safely.
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Post by: suzanne@waterfall on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 am
 :( Oh dear, I so want you to get Bella back.
Sure, if there is a type of farm shop maybe going there is not such a bad idea.
Poor Bella must be so lonely without her family and you without her. You could try I hear you have a goat for sale and I have just lost mine and I miss her terribly. How much is yours?
I'm sure most people fasting for Ramadan will be very particular about where there goats come from, so the travelers may have shot themselves in the foot and may be too pleased to find another option!!
I do wish you all the best and I will be thinking of you. :fc: :fc: :fc:
Suzanne.
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Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 04, 2012, 10:43:17 am
id pic you up and   dawn we would go ...........no think in this world would stop me ,iv done the lot so do yore best .i would fight there top man for that goat .
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Post by: Blinkers on August 04, 2012, 10:46:12 am
Keeping everything crossed for you and for Bella.......so, so hope you get her back  :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc: :fc:
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Post by: Bramblecot on August 04, 2012, 11:13:25 am
Glad you have traced Bella.  Don't let Kent police   :cow: s**t you.  You have a crime no. or copy of a report; they do not need any other confirmation from Essex police.  Tell them you are going to the site to retrieve your property from the burglar.  If you feel up to it, just go to the site with  friend asap and buy back Bella.  I know you should not have to do this, but it is your best chance of getting her back.  Justice is a separate matter  >:( >:( >:( .  Good luck  :fc:
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Post by: luckylady on August 04, 2012, 04:34:36 pm
If I'd had time to sit down today I'd have been on the edge of my seat wondering if you have Bella back yet.  Have been thinking of you whilst working with my animals today.  I would be beside myself if anyone stole mine.  Still hoping for Bella's safe return home.  :goat: :bouquet: 
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Post by: jaykay on August 04, 2012, 05:33:12 pm
The Police can't go in, they'd be attacked and badly hurt. And I know, where does that leave law-abiding citizens, but the police are people's dads and husbands too and should be able to go home at the end of their shift.

But you could go in, they won't hurt a woman. You might well have to buy Bella back, and yes, you shouldn't have to. But if you want her back.

I'd go in and ask someone who to talk to. Explain that you'd lost your goat, that you understood someone here had 'found' her and you'd be very willing to pay a reward to get her back as she was a pet, like a dog or horse to you. No accusations, leave a 'bridge' for them to back over.

I think you'll find someone will go and get the person who has 'found' her. Control your anger, be as pleased as if they had found her, name your reward, which may well have to be significant  :-\ Maybe about half what it might cost to buy her, hopefully the typical 'bird in the hand' attitude will win out.

Fingers crossed, I am gunning for you and Bella here  :-*

And then beef up security significantly at your place, you don't want more visits  >:(


Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: countrywoman on August 04, 2012, 05:55:52 pm
The Police can't go in, they'd be attacked and badly hurt. And I know, where does that leave law-abiding citizens, but the police are people's dads and husbands too and should be able to go home at the end of their shift.

But you could go in, they won't hurt a woman. You might well have to buy Bella back, and yes, you shouldn't have to. But if you want her back.

I'd go in and ask someone who to talk to. Explain that you'd lost your goat, that you understood someone here had 'found' her and you'd be very willing to pay a reward to get her back as she was a pet, like a dog or horse to you. No accusations, leave a 'bridge' for them to back over.

I think you'll find someone will go and get the person who has 'found' her. Control your anger, be as pleased as if they had found her, name your reward, which may well have to be significant  :-\ Maybe about half what it might cost to buy her, hopefully the typical 'bird in the hand' attitude will win out.

Fingers crossed, I am gunning for you and Bella here  :-*

And then beef up security significantly at your place, you don't want more visits  >:(

I agree with all this - sad but true that the law has no-go areas. 
 
If it was me, I'd go myself (grey-haired old lady with arthritis) with a female friend, not trying to look tough.  Suggest they may have bought the goat in good faith and been conned into shelling out for a stolen goat so I'm happy to reimburse the cost.  I'd go with two bundles of notes, offer the first and if that doesn't work, offer the second or get female friend to dig in her pockets...
 
Good luck with whatever approach you use.  I'll be keeping fingers crossed! 
 
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 04, 2012, 06:20:00 pm
If you do go, and drive there, leave the car with someone in it or at the very least locked, dont drive it onto the site. One because it would be seen as more confrontational, but two because the kids on the site will have everything from on and in it within minutes.
Def better to approach on foot.
Re the other posts, I dont think people are suggesting police should take extraordinary risks eg going in alone, but the issue is that a high level of local crime increases further and further if they wont go onto sites at all without helicopters and armed backup to pursue someone who has stolen a lawnmower, as it takes 3 hours plus to get that response and the criminals knows they are then effectively untouchable.   Currently it is just a waste of money and police time to go in 4 hours later paying for armed officers and helicopters when 3 hours 50 minutes before the offender is whisked away in the back of a transit to a linked familys traveller site 10 miles away.
In other words, if the scenario was a dodgy bit of a notorious council estate, the police would maintain high visbility presence, and if the issues continued, problem residents would eventually be evicted and the situation addressed. The double standard is that many travellers sites are effectively no go areas for the police and that situation appears to be accepted by police/local authorities with the police happier to have a quieter life and allow the crime to continue rather than be accused of racism by policing actively.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 04, 2012, 06:35:38 pm
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In other words, if the scenario was a dodgy bit of a notorious council estate, the police would maintain high visbility presence, and if the issues continued, problem residents would eventually be evicted and the situation addressed. The double standard is that many travellers sites are effectively no go areas for the police
The difference between these two is that, on the whole, on dodgy estates, the residents don't all act together to attack the police. On those that do, they are also no-go zones for unarmed officers. We have a society that bleats (the chattering classes most of all) at any roughness on the part of any authorities, but then wonders why those same authorities don't walk into places with perhaps a hundred armed adult men.

If we want such places (travellers sites and dodgy estates) policed properly then we have to be prepared to pay for enough officers and accept that it isn't going to be a pretty business.

How do I know all this. I was married to a dog handler for years and my heart was in my mouth every time a van with 'blues and twos' came roaring to a halt outside our house, hubby and dog jumped in and off they went to deal with ....... a 'disturbance'', a man with a knife, a man with a sword...and so on. Hubby (and the dog  ;D) were awarded the highest medal of bravery for tackling an armed man. But I (and most police families) think that they need to be armed and in greater numbers to deal with the things they routinely handle. And that they have to make the judgement call when all they are going to do is get hurt or killed and be no further forward.

If it takes too long to get armed back-up then we are not paying for enough armed officers.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: plumseverywhere on August 04, 2012, 06:50:11 pm
It must be terrifying for the wives and families of armed police who have calls out like your husband then did, Jaykay  :(   My husband went to school with a man who's now armed response unit in Toxteth, Liverpool - I wouldn't swap my life with his for the world.


The police here do try to keep a high profile around the site but they don't tend to go in for situations as I mentioned before (the dog attacks) however, there is often a car parked up at the entrance of the site - they give the kids sweets! How do I know this? My daughter goes to the site to play with her friends and has seen first hand how nicely the police interact with the traveller kids.
However when the education officer goes up to find out why some of the children aren't at school, he normally finds his tyres flat, aerial bent and a spud up the exhaust.
Its all about approach - personally I would go in IN my car with a friend, not park it outside because that's when you'll find your car being broken down into 'parts' - keep it in visual at all times  ;)


I got followed home by the police helicopter first time I went to my friends trailor for a cuppa (going back 2 years now) - following day the police chopper was still showing me its presence as it circled our orchard while we picked plums! surreal!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: richmorpygmygoats on August 04, 2012, 06:53:11 pm
This is awful news!!! Thoughts with you. There are some scum around!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 04, 2012, 07:02:39 pm
Agree about keeping the car within sight  ;)

Hubby and dog weren't armed at the time  :o hence the medal!

Sorry, bit of a thread hijack. Really hoping you can get Bella back  :-*
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 04, 2012, 08:41:12 pm
Got Essex police to release file to Kent police. Kent went to the site but only the centre of it is public. The outside camps are private so they need a warrent. So Kent have reverted back to Essex to decide if they should get a warrent. Further info from a source is she is being kept in 1 of 5 stables off Watlin Street. The head of the site's nephew is the one who took Bella and he is quite against livestock theft, but other attempts to retreve stolen animals from there have failed as they refuse to release them. So we are at stalemate!

Apparently a family went in because they had stolen their autistic sons pet pig, they begged for it back and got a firm no.
I wouldn't want anyone risking anything to get her back. I am mainly happy she is not curry.

I think we will have to leave it and get a new goat. Dissappointing, but they know where we live and I don't want to cause a longer lasting trouble for us or anyone else.

I still have someone looking into it for me but I think it is over  :-[
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 04, 2012, 09:01:42 pm
Oh no  :-*
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 04, 2012, 10:06:48 pm
Thats really sad.....I do wonder though, if you dont stand up to them, what is to stop them taking the next one? Its what happens when people buy new saddles etc when the old ones are stolen, or lawnmowers.
Why not spend the money you would have to spend buying a new one, buying the old one back, or trying to? (not that you should have to buy your own animal back but thats beside the point).
If that didnt work then there is still the option of the warrant. (which would not take long to obtain given the fact the other family's animal is also there). I assume you have things to prove ownership etc.
I just dont see the point of replacing something they obviously see as easy pickings when as you say they know where you live.
NB I am also glad she isnt burgers!
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: suzanne@waterfall on August 04, 2012, 11:55:08 pm
Don't give up! Maybe they will sell her back to you, or the suggestion of a reward was a good idea.
Tomorrow is Sunday.......... it could be a good day to try. A lot of travelers are religious on some level.
Nothing ventured nothing gained. You might be lucky.
I'll be thinking of you and wishing you well.
Suzanne.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 05, 2012, 08:18:28 am
at least one of them is clearly religious until they get to the 'thou shalt not steal' part of the ten commandments :-((( but you are right, Sunday is a good day to talk to them about 'doing the right thing'
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: tizaala on August 05, 2012, 09:22:16 am
You need baseball bats and fire bombs to deal with this scum ,  >:(
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: little blue on August 05, 2012, 11:22:09 am
Please don't give up - Bella's home is with you!
If you can prove she is yours, and are prepared to "buy her back" (at least in principle!) then go for it ... do whatever you can...
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jinglejoys on August 05, 2012, 12:03:27 pm
EeeeR I'm presuming they have movement liscences and holding numbers for all this stock they are moving about? :eyelashes:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 05, 2012, 02:34:27 pm
Well jinglejoys an RSPCA friend only said that to me this morning! And it seems DEFRA have more power than the police. Unfortunatley they don't seem to be open today but I will be calling them first thing in the morning!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 05, 2012, 03:06:37 pm
Ha, there has to be some use to DEFRA and all their paperwork  ;)

But what happens to the actual animals that have been moved without permission/licenses  ???
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 05, 2012, 03:13:58 pm
Apparently they go into a holding cell for 28 days, but I haven't actually spoken to DEFRA about it yet  :-\
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 05, 2012, 03:20:52 pm
And then would she be returned to you, if you could prove she was yours? Worth asking when you talk to them?
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 05, 2012, 03:23:03 pm
Will do because I have been advised to sell Holly if I don't get Bella back, she may reject another goat and we haven't got room for another horse. She is really depressed at the moment, may send her off to a paddock next to other horses if we have to wait 28 days to get Bella back, if DEFRA don't get her not sure what to do!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 05, 2012, 04:01:46 pm
I think a paddock next to some other horses sounds like a good plan while you sort this out.

Have you given up on the idea of going round and offering the reward / asking them to do the right thing today?
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 05, 2012, 04:31:17 pm
i just wish i was with you ,would sort even if it costs.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 05, 2012, 09:21:18 pm
Thank you Vic Farmer,
I have just emailed all Merry Hell to our MP, Kent police, Essex Police, our borough council and kent council too
Calling DEFRA tomorrow - I am a woman on a mission and going to annoy everyone until I get my goat back  , my husband says I am especially good at being annoying  :excited:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 05, 2012, 09:43:09 pm
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am a woman on a mission and going to annoy everyone until I get my goat back  , my husband says I am especially good at being annoying
gotta use the skills you've been given  ;) Good luck for you and Bella :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: cuckoo on August 05, 2012, 09:55:50 pm
Speak to Animal Health division at Essex and Kent councils - the AH Inspectors have right of entry under animal health act (1981) and can take anyone they deem appropriate (ie you) with them - they should be interested as lack of movement forms etc and I dont think they need a warrant unless it is a priate dwelling - which a stable etc is not.
 
Dont just rely on email - telephone your MP, local councillor responsible for policing and animal health (trading standards) ask to speak to an Animal Health Inspector - not just a secretary or call centre - be prepared before you telephone - write all your facts down - is your information regarding the goats whereabouts reliable? Will your source give a statement - if so take them to the police station in person - ask to see the officer in charge of the case.  A bit inhuman but your goat is your property and if stolen then offence under theft act, also possible animal health / welfare offences - transportation, licences etc.  Should be more than enough for them to act on.
 
Good luck and be careful
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 05, 2012, 10:15:40 pm
Hope you get her back soon.  You give them all hell until someone does something.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 05, 2012, 10:38:27 pm
Thank you Vic Farmer,
I have just emailed all Merry Hell to our MP, Kent police, Essex Police, our borough council and kent council too
Calling DEFRA tomorrow - I am a woman on a mission and going to annoy everyone until I get my goat back  , my husband says I am especially good at being annoying  :excited:
so pleased you are not giving up - good on you. The trick is to make not doing anything about this disgrace more of a pain in the bum for the unwilling officials (who if it were you or I would be straight in throwing the book)  than the hassle of actually doing something....:-)))
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: bloomer on August 05, 2012, 10:41:48 pm
for your email phonecall list local press amazing how fast stuff happens when they get involved!!!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 05, 2012, 11:15:30 pm
I am a little worried I may be annoying the travellers  :-\
we don't want any trouble, don't want to prosecute, just want Bella back
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 06, 2012, 07:29:30 am
Which is why a low key visit armed with fivers is likely to be a lot more productive.
However, if that is tried and doesnt work, the travellers will likely expect you to involve the police. Which may rile them but we cant live our lives in fear and allow their crime to expand and continue un interrupted - the results of that were clear at our local site. If you are concerned I would borrow a large black and tan dog from someone for a bit - thats the one thing they are really scared off and is a real deterrent. ( kind of explains why coming from near our old site I have a Doberman, he's dopey but they were terrified of him).
I just know I couldnt leave an animal of mine there....
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 06, 2012, 07:47:43 am
I agree with L&M.

I know it's scary to go yourself but I think that's your most likely route to success. And you'll get less resistance if you go alone or with a girlfriend.

And then, if they won't return her to you for a 'reward' they can only expect you to involve the Police etc. And if you have to take this route, phone calls and personal visits are much harder to ignore than emails.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Burrwoodfm on August 06, 2012, 08:42:20 am
Just a thought, and maybe a silly one, but if they are relatively settled religious travellers, they will have a preferred local church, and you may get a compliant priest/vicar to accompany you.  I would thought that if there is anyone they want to be seen to look good in front, it is the church!   ???
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: plumseverywhere on August 06, 2012, 08:48:58 am
I also agree with L&M.
I'm with travellers on a daily basis, our girls went to school where 50% of the children (70 kids) were travellers and most from the site.  I really, really believe that going there is the best course of action as I've said all along.
Yes, you might feel nervous but put aside all the stories of violence you have heard because many of them are self perpetuating myths made worse by those who've never been there but a friends, friends, friends, cousin did once....
Would you like me to speak to the head of our local site to ask his advice? PM me if you would like me to try and guage some info about how the travellers would recommend approaching this situation xx
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: countrywoman on August 06, 2012, 11:28:08 am
Just checked in hoping to hear some good news - like Bella being back at home. 
 
Keep at it, try everything, beg and plead for assistance wherever you can.  Wishing you the best of luck with this.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jinglejoys on August 06, 2012, 12:02:32 pm
If you start paying to get your own goat back just think how hard it will be for the next person who may not have the money :(
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 06, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
Yes.

It's maybe a question of do you want your goat back or do you want to reform society.

Personally, I'm happy to reform society as long as none of my family or animals is at risk  :-\
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 06, 2012, 02:21:32 pm
If you start paying to get your own goat back just think how hard it will be for the next person who may not have the money :(
True but not too likely, goats horses etc cost a fair bit to keep in feed and vet care even as routine. Agree with the principle of not rewarding crime, but it really only becomes necessary when local authorities and police allow no go areas to exist and politicians are too spineless to act. It is their failure which means it may be the only option in this case.
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: SallyintNorth on August 06, 2012, 03:02:23 pm
Yes.

It's maybe a question of do you want your goat back or do you want to reform society.

Personally, I'm happy to reform society as long as none of my family or animals is at risk  :-\
Quite.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 06, 2012, 07:53:16 pm
Well my email mission last night went noticed and I got a visit from the officer in charge.

However further info makes it sound like this is alot bigger than me and Bella. Livestock are transported between a site in Dartford and Harlow. They have a board with hundreds of animals listed for sale (all stolen) and it is run by someone who is legally NOT allowed anywhere near animals.

A recent policeman got tasered on the site and if they know you are causing trouble the King comes round with a shotgun!
Waiting for a call tonight from police but think of pulling out completely  :-[

I know it makes it harder for the next person, but to be honest I'm now a bit scared and willing just to buy another goat and set up video security  :-[
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: robert waddell on August 06, 2012, 08:14:33 pm
well i have no faith in the police     and just had to look and see where you are located because i thought it was Sicily        yannies with tazzers     king yannies running round with shotguns    and a list of stolen animals for sale    and to cap it all the seller is barred from keeping livestock
 
the police don't usually tell you anything  unless he is telling you this so you will but out
 
 
sounds like a family in a village not that far from here   a single police man called at there house and was invited in to get the crap beaten out of him  he never done another shift for the police again
 
a sad state of affairs where they do as they please without any intervention :farmer:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 07, 2012, 09:22:44 am
please go and pay for the goat weal all wont her bake
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Bramblecot on August 07, 2012, 09:26:08 am
Livestock are transported between a site in Dartford and Harlow. They have a board with hundreds of animals listed for sale (all stolen) and it is run by someone who is legally NOT allowed anywhere near animals.
Which means it should be easy to get evidence of their movements from the Dartford toll cameras ;) Warescot, I lived near Nth Weald for nearly 50 years and, through my work, know their skullduggery well >:( >:( .  Every now and then there is a clamp down but it is rarely reported. As you say, beef up your security and stay safe.  And that particular lot are not worried by dogs.  I am so sorry about Bella :bouquet:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Bramblecot on August 07, 2012, 09:45:36 am
Sorry, I messed up the quote thingy again :dunce: .  I could easily  :rant: but I'll send you  :hug: instead.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: henchard on August 07, 2012, 04:28:47 pm
Well my email mission last night went noticed and I got a visit from the officer in charge......  :-[

Seems to me that you'd be better keeping records of what the Police have said to make a formal complaint at a later stage if necessary and in the meantime contact your local MP and press (asking for your name to be witheld if necessary) to put the pressure on the Police.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 08, 2012, 03:03:43 pm
It's official, BELLA IS HOME!!

The travellers sold it to a man with a small holding up the road, he saw our article in the local gazette and called the police!  :excited: :excited:

Thank you so much to everyone who spread the word and helped bring Bella home to us.

We are one happy family now  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: the great composto on August 08, 2012, 03:09:30 pm
fantastic - really pleased for you.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Roxy on August 08, 2012, 03:11:41 pm
BRILLIANT NEWS!! :excited: :excited:
 
I am so, so pleased for you .....I can only imagine how I would feel had it happened to me.  I am sure Bella is happy to be back where she belongs.
 
Well done for being brave enough to see this through.  I know it cannot have been easy for you.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Eeyore on August 08, 2012, 03:13:47 pm
That is BRILLIANT NEWS!!  I have been praying that she would find her way back to you.  I am soo happy for you.  I hope Bella is fine and your pony is too.   :excited:
Love Eeyore
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 08, 2012, 03:45:40 pm
It's official, BELLA IS HOME!!

The travellers sold it to a man with a small holding up the road, he saw our article in the local gazette and called the police!  :excited: :excited:

Thank you so much to everyone who spread the word and helped bring Bella home to us.

We are one happy family now  :D ;D :D
omg I am soooooooooo pleased for you!! Amazing fantastic news. This has made my day - but not half as much as it has made yours and your horse's I bet!!!
so so pleased for you!!
xxxx
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: littlelugs on August 08, 2012, 04:14:43 pm
OMG that's brilliant  :relief: 
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Bionic on August 08, 2012, 04:45:19 pm
I really didn't expect this to have a positive ending but am so pleased that Bella is back home. Well done to the man who bought her too and notified the police.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Sally
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Brucklay on August 08, 2012, 04:51:00 pm
Yippie - one big happy family again, I am so please for you all - brings back a little faith in human nature (well done that man :thumbsup: :thumbsup: )
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: luckylady on August 08, 2012, 04:55:53 pm
That is absolutely fantastic news.  :excited: :excited: :excited:  Sooooooooo happy for you and Bella.  :hug: Get that man on this forum so we can all shake his hand.   This news has actually made my day.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: in the hills on August 08, 2012, 05:36:51 pm
 :thumbsup:  Oh so pleased.


           Well done for not giving up ..... must have been so difficult for you.


           And well done to that good citizen .... what a man  :trophy:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 08, 2012, 05:52:51 pm
I have updated the good folks on Horseandhound forum - can everyone else spread the good news where they have posted elsewhere so peeps know that all is well and Bella is home :-)))))
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Bramblecot on August 08, 2012, 05:59:19 pm
Had a sneaky view of this at work today - 2 minutes after you posted :excited: :excited: .  My colleagues kept asking me what was the matter as I couldn't contain  :o :o myself.  Rushed home just to say I AM SO PLEASED FOR YOU, Bella and Holly. :hug: .  I love happy endings :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 08, 2012, 06:07:49 pm
Oh hurray hurray  ;D That is such good news  :excited:  :excited:  :excited:  I've got a huge grin on my face - I'm so pleased for you  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: countrywoman on August 08, 2012, 06:45:17 pm
What a relief!  You and Bella must be thrilled that this has turned out so well!  I really began to worry that the outcome would not be this good.
 
Now for the new defence system...  CCTV, watchtowers, armed guards, patrolling Rotties - well. perhaps not but there has to be a suitable solution where the thieves will hesitate to enter without turning your fields into Colditz.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 08, 2012, 06:49:08 pm
 :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:   Best news I've heard in a while.  What a lovely honest man. :trophy: :thumbsup: :trophy: :thumbsup:   I'm sure Bella and your horse are delighted to be back together.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 08, 2012, 06:55:48 pm
well that's made my week .................please put a pic up .we are a close family and these animals are very special ,all the best on a Happy ending.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: omnipeasant on August 08, 2012, 07:39:44 pm
I would be more worried abut them coming back for the falabella. Hope you gret Bella back and don't have to consider a replacement.

This was what I posted on your other topic.

I am so pleased you don't need to find another companion now. What a nice man.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: SallyintNorth on August 08, 2012, 07:44:53 pm
Such lovely news, I actually teared up on reading that. 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: little blue on August 08, 2012, 07:58:59 pm
oh, that's brilliant! so happy for you all
Welcome back little Bella.
hope she's okay after all her travels?

:D :thumbsup:
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Post by: jinglejoys on August 08, 2012, 08:09:26 pm
So Pleased I hope all the Paperwork has been shown to trading Standards so they can take action ;)
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Post by: deepinthewoods on August 08, 2012, 10:13:05 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :)
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Mammyshaz on August 08, 2012, 10:44:18 pm
I haven't posted since page one as I've felt so annoyed and upset about the whole situation. Just didnt know what to say or do to help you other than raid the site myself :rant:

So so glad it has turned out well. Look after yourself and take extra security precautions ASAP.

Big big  :hug: for Bella .
Such a great outcome and a lovely man for doing the honourable thing that many would not have done  :thumbsup:
 

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Post by: Hermit on August 08, 2012, 11:17:45 pm
Fantastic news :hug:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 08, 2012, 11:21:23 pm
The man who called the police is one amazing person! When I went to pick her up you can tell he cares more for his animals than anything else. He called her Daisy May and she followed him and his dogs around the farm and slept with them in the kitchen. She could not have been better looked after, he deserves some really good karma coming his way!
We reimbursed him and gave him a nice bottle of plonk. He said he was sad she was leaving as he used to breed goats. He is putting us in touch with a breeder and I have promised him first refusal on Bella's first kid.

The last 10 days have been pretty miserable, I like to always think the best of people and the fact someone came and stole I goat from my garden had me quite depressed.

However over the past 10 days through this forum, facebook and other media the amount of interest, care and great advice has been overwhelming! Everytime I have had a question or felt fed up I came and read your replies and they always lifted me a little higher.

I huge  :hug: and thank you to all of you lovely people on TAS, it just goes to show most people are actually fanbloodytastic!

Emma xxx

PS picture to follow tomorrow of Bella and Holly all snuggled up, I wanted to take some tonight but they are so fast asleep and happy together I didn't want to wake them with a flash
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: plumseverywhere on August 09, 2012, 07:02:47 am
So, so pleased Emma!! Restores your faith in human nature really  :thumbsup:  looking forward to the pictures!! I hope Bella had been cared for well while she was away and is not too traumatised xx
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 09, 2012, 04:57:36 pm
The man who returned her sounds lovely.  Looking forward to the pictures.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: HelenVF on August 09, 2012, 05:19:38 pm
What absolutely fantastic news :-). I am soooo happy!

Helen
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Hatty on August 11, 2012, 08:02:32 am
Not been about for a while but saw this on Facebook, Firstly I am so glad you got her back  ;D ;D it must be a big weight off your mind, I don't know what I would do if my girls or Cedric disappeared.

We have a VERY large traveler community in our area, and quite frankly the police are scared of them, a few months ago one of the other smallholders near me was involved in an accident with one and the police just weren't interested, he was told they were not allowed to go onto the site and they said if he went himself they could offer no protection. Its disgusting they just get away with everything
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: kegs on August 11, 2012, 01:48:53 pm
Wow.  Only just caught up with this thread since 8th and I'm so pleased it had a happy ending.  Absolutely flippin brilliant that she was bought by such a good Samaritan.  (Glad too that he's not out of pocket after doing such a good deed!)  Well done to all concerned.  :thumbsup:


Strange that the travellers didn't find a buyer further away?  Perhaps they wanted her somehow to be returned home??  :fc:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Blinkers on August 13, 2012, 10:30:38 am
Only just caught up on this - and OHHHHHHHHH what a wonderful bit of news.  So, so delighted for your and your family.   
  :thumbsup: :excited: :excited: WELCOME HOME BELLA  :excited: :excited: :thumbsup:

 
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 15, 2012, 07:43:15 pm
Even better news the man who helped us find her got his stolen goats back off the back of people looking out for Bella. One was in France!
Now that's good karma!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jinglejoys on August 15, 2012, 07:51:23 pm
O.K how does a stolen traceable animal with movement records etc get to france without someone stopping it!
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: jaykay on August 15, 2012, 08:12:37 pm
That is very good karma  ;D
And that's what happens. Good things happen to people who are good. Those nasty b#^€$¥}{ will get their comeuppance. And in the end, they're them. That's the best they get from life. Would you swap places? Exactly! So there's the first bit of their comeuppance  ;)
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Lesley Silvester on August 15, 2012, 10:08:40 pm
And in the end, they're them. That's the best they get from life. Would you swap places? Exactly! So there's the first bit of their comeuppance  ;)

I love that way of thinking.   :D   I be they don't trust anyone because we all tend to expect others to be like we are.  I wouldn't cheat anyone so I don't expect anyone to cheat me, etc. 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on August 15, 2012, 10:25:13 pm
Even better news the man who helped us find her got his stolen goats back off the back of people looking out for Bella. One was in France!
Now that's good karma!
Love that picture!!! And love the news about the other goats.  :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: luckylady on August 15, 2012, 10:32:28 pm
Even better news the man who helped us find her got his stolen goats back off the back of people looking out for Bella. One was in France!
Now that's good karma!
I thought we'd heard the happy ending with Bella's return but that takes the  :trophy:  for a truly happy ending.
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: Penninehillbilly on August 16, 2012, 12:47:06 am
Definitely the icing on the cake  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: suzanne@waterfall on August 16, 2012, 10:22:51 pm
Haven't logged in for a while.......... :o
 I am so delighted that Bella is home and you are all reunited! :excited: :excited: :excited:
So Delighted! :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :goat: :goat: :goat: :goat: :goat: :goat: :goat: :goat: :relief: :relief: :relief: :relief:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: NormandyMary on August 19, 2012, 04:54:37 pm
I too am so sorry that I havent commented on this thread before now. I am so happy that Bella is back where she belongs, but I do find it disgusting that the "perps" wont get their comeuppance. Why oh why is it one rule for some and not others. Perhaps it need a petition to the government to make the police prosecute travellers.(Actually travellers is too good a name for some of them! They can stick their lucky heather and pegs where the sun doesn't shine!)
 
Brilliant news though and Im so happy for you. Im sitting here grinning from ear to ear! :thumbsup: :excited:
Title: Re: Some people are pure evil!
Post by: WarescotFarm on August 19, 2012, 07:39:50 pm
Do you know what I found suprising about the whole thing?
DEFRA did not give too hoots! They said it was nothing to do with them I should call Trading Standards.
TS also not interested as it is a theft the police deal with it and travellers would only get a warning for moving a goat without a licence.
What is this country doing to protect itself against the spread of foot and mouth?
It just needs one sick animal and one greedy sod and tada the country is riddled with it!