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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: princesspiggy on July 01, 2012, 09:42:04 pm
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we have a large pond with a central island, which must be 1/4 acre. its full of willow herb and weeds, and only access of rowing across a 10 metre water.
we have tried to keep geese/ducks down there but they didnt like it and came home or got killed by a fox.
now if i rowed across with the adult billy goats for the summer, -
a) would they be safe from foxes so far from our house?
b) would they swim and escape?
c) is alot of willow herb safe to eat?
there is a foto of pond on front page of website
www.auchlethen.com (http://www.auchlethen.com)
thanks
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My pygmy goat eats loads of willow and loves it. Won't the goat be lonely though if by itself? Ours cries and drives us nuts if we ever take her horse friend away. Maybe 2 goats out there? And can you build a shelter on it?
Good luck
PS how will you get the goat across on the boat?
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we have two billies so they will be there together til september, i thought about a shelter but its 4ft high in weeds and its just for 2 summer months.
our old goats used to stay on the border of the pond but these bagots are more agile so def wouldnt stay behind a stock fence.
they will be on their leads and will just have to sit in the boat....lol...would only take 2 mins if we dont capsize!! il have to film it incase we do so we can put it on utube....lol
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Gotta see the boat over :D
I also think they need at least a rain shelter, even if just a tin sheet they can get under.
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I think this is a huge risk , goats need shelter, goats don't like getting wet, what happens if you capsize and the goats can't swim ? ours will not willingly walk through a puddle if they can help it. the only safe way of transporting them in a little dingy is to tie their legs together and lay them in the boat. I can't see them being too happy about it, and a diet of just willow herb for two months ? not a good idea. ::)
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My goats will wade throu a very shallow stream to get to the other side where there is a plentyful supply of yummy stuff. However if it is was deep amout of water I would worry about them slipping in and drowning.
can you not electric fence the island so one they are on it they wont attempt to cross the water. Also, a shelter, and daily visits vital. Depending on the size of it it may not take him long to get the weeds under control.
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Goats can swim and will quite happily wade out into pond to get at the rushes.
I've seen this done somewhere,can't remember where as it was years ago (when people still kept goats ;) )but vaguelliy think it was at the Chateaux Impney in Droitwhich where castrates were kept over summer in an island in the middle of the lake...not hard to set up a shelter etc
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i will take some photos side on.
the water is deep (8ft?) but graduated at the sides. the hill/island is easy enough for dogs to climb up.
the bagots are v agile but id be devastated if something happened to them. it would only be the stronger adult billies that go.
i can easily check twice a day minimum and they come to a bucket to no problems in catching them again - as long as willow herb isnt poisonous in large amounts, there is grass etc aswell. i dont think it has been grazed in 20 years....
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There could be something in the weeds that doesn't agree with the goats? I would take a strimmer (with metal blade on it rather than string) and scythe the stuff for the goats in portions. Much safer!
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As long as there's no ragwort.Its no differant than grazing goats on scrubland surely except its surrounded by water heck the whole of the UK is surrounded by water maybe we should stop keeping goats? ;D
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I would be more worried about the boat trip.... with a possibly firghtened (and horned if Bagot???) billy goat or two...
I have no idea if goats can swim, and if yes do they do so willingly???
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I suppose it depends on the size and sturdiness of the boat.
Certainly the first time I had my dog Skye in a canoe, he was nervous and moved about a lot. We survived because he is very responsive to me and despite him being scared I was able to get him to lie down (which he did, on my feet, the boat went along with the bow about 2ft out of the water ::))
Can't say I'd want to take Ellie and Rowan in a small boat :D
Horses are sometimes moved across deep-ish water by being swum across on haters. Don't think I'd want to try that with my goats either :P It's the getting them there that is beginning to sound problematic, isn't it :-\
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If they do get off they island can they escape into the blue yonder? That would be my concern.
Adult goats are usually savvy on what to eat if there is variety, mine eat loads of willowherb, just double check for baddies,
It sounds like the trip over will be the interesting bit, looking forward to the video ;D
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we had a good look today, seems to be willow herb, grass and the softer brambles. it does have ragwort but i cant pull that when we get on it. (we have been here 7 yrs, just a bit slow...as have never set foot on it)
as its man-made, its too deep too quick for me to wade/swim but dogs love it.
its on my land but these goats jump over stock fencing.
im trying to find a wee boat now...it would be a 2 min journey...i just thought id see what u guys thought before i had the sspca on the door step....lol...which im expecting as its close to the main road. ::) :o
i know some people keep bagots on turf roofs!
id always planned on using the pond to breed geese once my youngest went to school but thats another year away yet, i would so love a boat!!
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;D
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very good ;D ;D ;D ;D it mite b a reality yet! lol
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You MUST film it Julia ;) :fc:
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If you think you can boat them across, do it! As you say, they're tame enough to get back; they're on your land even if they swim off, and gazillions of sheep graze around large water bodies without being dragged in by Nessie :innocent:
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i found a wee boat on gumtree which is perfect, except its in motherwell, anyone know a courier that would deliver it to peterhead? its 8ft x 4ft. the only quote i could find cost more than the boat, and took ages online to find that.
gazillions of sheep graze around large water bodies without being dragged in by Nessie :innocent:
we have a pig called nasty nessie - mite happen yet....lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Julia :wave:
It would be worth you putting it on the Shipley website. It was set-up for Ebayers, but they move all manner of stuff around the country.
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i spent hours looking today online, then the websites go on about ebay listings and i was getting confused...i thought they thought i was selling the boat not trying to bring it home... >:(
i will try again.. tho we live by the beach here so should be able to nick find something here...may be a raft would be ok...lol...def one for utube...lol
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Oh I can't wait :thumbsup: ;D
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Looking forward to this video.
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i havent rowed a boat since i was 9 on the nottingham park lakes...lol...our pond isnt as posh. our white gsd is still black from swimming today...lol ;D ;D
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Julia :wave:
It would be worth you putting it on the Shipley website.
our first quote by shipleys is £80 cheaper ....big improvement...but still too expensive, fingers crossed for another, thanks beewyched :fc:
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Isn't there anywhere in Peterhead of Fraserbr. you could ask round? a friend lives up there and has aboat, too big for you to borrow, but seems much more leisure oriented round there now?
How about making a pallet raft and pulling it over (even better for a video :-J )
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Are you selling tickets to watch :thumbsup:
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Bosuns chair ?
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Are you selling tickets to watch :thumbsup:
still looking for a flipping boat....how hard can it be?
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There are plenty of places where goats are used for plant management on islands successfully, the parks authority in milton keynes use them on the big islands in some of their lakes, they do have field shelters though! But also live there all year round! If it was my island I'd be tempted to try it!!!
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woohoo we are picking up a boat at weekend!
fotos of "Bagot Island" ....lol the weeds are 3ft high but as wev never set foot/hoof on it, not sure how steep/rutted it is. its man-made.
and our oldest billy, called Billy ::) hes just gorgeous.
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When the launch date...... this is a "much be there occasion" :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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we r getting a boat at the weekend, then we'l see if i can row it !! and then see i can row with a billy goat on my knee :o :o :o
ul have to come for a cuppa and a giggle! bring a life jacket tho....lol ;D ;D ;D
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im sure it will be a fun adventure for the goats,
love the pond, does it have fish in?
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love the pond, does it have fish in?
i dont know, its fed both sides by the burn so in theory yes, wev never caught in the pond or the burn, but we are too noisy anyway...lol. we get swans and ducks and herons but not as many as u would think.
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well...we bought the wee boat home and spent the afternoon rowing it around the pond, great fun. the pond isnt as deep as we thought, about 4ft.
we took the 2 billies over , one at a time, by the time we had got the second goat slowly loaded in the boat, the first goat had swam back to shore :o :o :o :o
we managed to get them both on the island (a bit quicker this time) and settled, but time will tell if they stay there. there is stacks of food so i cant imagine that they will leave without good reason.
we are half expecting the billies on our doorstep in the morning, like the geese and ducks were when they went down there!
they sat in the boat quite happy, just on lead with a cuddle, bless them!
we couldnt posssibly have videoed it, far too many swear words...lol....and as i havent rowed for 20 yrs, my boating skills werent for showing off...lol
:thumbsup: :fc: :fc:
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I am SO disappointed :( :( :( ;) , been looking forward to this for ages :)
You could have set it to music to drown out the words
'Messing about on the river'?
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il maybe make a video when i look like a pro and pretend its the first time.
they are still there today, looking happy enough and eating away, though i was dreaming about them escaping... :-\ :-\ :goat:
at least i know they can swim....lol
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Have you seen this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18824114 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18824114)
Think you should have done it this way. ;) Glad it worked though!
Dans