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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: kate. x on June 08, 2012, 04:52:52 pm

Title: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 08, 2012, 04:52:52 pm
Hiya,
 
I have 2 6 week old lambs, both feeding well, not yet weaned and one of them has a skin complaint.  :sheep:
 
I can best describe it as cradle cap or flaky eczema. It is on his face, around his muzzle and eyes and also on his legs, it is in patches and is the patches are balding.
Can any one help tell me what this may be??  ??? ??? ???
 
Other than his skin he appears well, lively is eating hard food and hay and I am slowly reducing his milk.
 
Can I treat it or is it a vet visit??
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: SallyintNorth on June 08, 2012, 05:26:19 pm
You would expect us to ask for a picture!  :)  It is hard to tell without.  They can get a rash - milk burn - from the milk, clean and dry their faces to stop this one developing.

If the skin seems sore, most rashes are soothed by Sudocrem.  If there seems to be any infection, use blue antibiotic spray.  If you think there is a risk of infection (eg, the skin is cracked), apply antiseptic eg., Septiclense spray or wash with Hibiscrub.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: Haylo-peapod on June 08, 2012, 05:38:29 pm
Just wondering if it is the early signs of photosensitisation??
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 08, 2012, 05:48:01 pm
what exactly would that be??
 
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: Haylo-peapod on June 08, 2012, 06:04:18 pm
Take a look at http://www.pentalk.org/pentalk_vets.asp?nextpageID=26 (http://www.pentalk.org/pentalk_vets.asp?nextpageID=26)
 
It may have nothing to do with what your lamb has, especially as he seems well in himself and his  symptoms are nowhere near as dramatic. It's just the fact you mention the balding and I recall a fellow smallholder had a few sheep suffering with photosensitisation and the key symptom seemed to be loss of wool on the face.
 
I would have thought a phonecall to your vet may not go amiss - just in case. Good Luck!
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 08, 2012, 06:33:11 pm
Hi
 
I have tried to attach some photos but it doesnt seem to want to post them :-[ !!!! :-[  ahhh
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 08, 2012, 08:03:59 pm
I do photos through Photobucket.
Upload them into that, copy the IMG code (found in the link bit, icon like a chain) and paste here.

Could be:
Rain rot, midge allergy, zinc deficiency - can't tell til we see pics really.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: Moleskins on June 08, 2012, 10:35:01 pm
Dermatophiliosis ( spelling ? ) I've had one with it, vet suggested washing with Hibiscrub he went downhill steadily and died. Watch for fly strike if it is,  it gives off a smell which attracts flies
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 08, 2012, 10:37:20 pm
Quote
Dermatophiliosis
that's it, common name 'rain rot'
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 09, 2012, 08:32:47 am
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg550/sammylunn/P6091112.jpg)
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 09, 2012, 08:38:34 am
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg550/sammylunn/P6091120.jpg)
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 09, 2012, 08:53:22 am
Sweet little Swaley  :love:
So, how midgy is it where he lives? And how wet/warm has it been?

I ask because that could be both midges or rain rot, so conditions make one or other most likely....

Either way, I would try athlete's foot cream (careful, don't put too much near his eyes, you don't want the next rain to wash it in) - if it's fungus this should help, if it's midges apparently the Mycil cream has anti-itch stuff in it too.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 09, 2012, 08:58:18 am
no noticable midges about,they are in part of my garden so think would notice, although they are under 2 large sycamore trees.
Very wet!! although got to say I think I have the only 2 lambs in west yorkshire who dont like rain! They nip in the shelter as soon as there is the slightest drop of rain!!
He has now got it on the 2 front knee joints.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: tizaala on June 09, 2012, 09:08:02 am
Ringworm?
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 09, 2012, 09:11:38 am
I'm pretty sure it's rain rot (dermatophilosis). He needs a shot of penicillin/streptomycin combination. WeAr gloves or wash well soon after, when dealing with him as people can get it too.
Mostly they do just mend but it can be contagious and it can spread.

Check he's getting good vitamins and minerals, as being a bit under the weather can make them more susceptible.

PS I don't think any animals (except maybe ducks) like rain, they just have to tolerate it - all will shelter given chance!

Here's a bit of info. rain rot in cattle (http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vetext/INF-DA/Dermatophilosis.pdf)
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 09, 2012, 09:54:54 am
thanks. will go and get the athletes foot cream, then need to find a large animal vet! so can get the antibiotics
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 11, 2012, 01:44:33 pm
Hi. Just off to pick up the antibiotics.  Any tips on giving this IM injection?? I know it needs to go on the inside of hind leg but any other tips would be useful.
 
I am a nurse so have given quite a few injections but not on lambs!!!
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 11, 2012, 04:32:07 pm
Well, I do IM on the outside of the rump, just easier to get to.

My main tip for injecting sheep is get someone to hold them still - ie one person hold the head if poss and the injecting person squash the rear end between yourself and a solid wall/fence.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 11, 2012, 05:19:29 pm

 
 
 
 
 
Thanks everyone for advice over past few days. Really appreciate it. :wave:
 
It looks like is rain rot, cream seems to be working wonders and now has antibiotics started too.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: Tilly on June 14, 2012, 11:21:12 am
 
Hi Katelunn  :wave:
...been following this post with interest ,and was wondering,has your little chap  :sheep: fully recovered ?
Tilly
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 22, 2012, 10:25:38 am
HI
update on the wee lamb!  He is well in himself, antibiotics finished but to be hones his face still looks a bit 'flaky'?? Not sure rain rot takes this long to completely go? It is much drier now and is flaking off.
 
 
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: Moleskins on June 22, 2012, 03:47:08 pm
I gave one of mine a spray of purple foot spray on the nose it worked a treat.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: kate. x on June 22, 2012, 07:53:39 pm
Purple foot spray?? Being bit thick but do you mean an athletes foot spray?
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: jaykay on June 23, 2012, 08:18:12 am
No, the Footrot spray you can buy from the feed store is purple (iodine based?) as opposed to the antibiotic one you buy from the vets, which is blue.
Title: Re: what on earth is this???
Post by: sokel on June 25, 2012, 10:23:43 am
One of my lambs went very simular to this but he was dipping his face in the bucket of milk rather than sucking from a teat, I also used the foot spray and  kept washing his face so there was no milk on it, within a week the hais was growing back