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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: robert waddell on June 06, 2012, 09:03:32 am
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yes i am surprised that is two nights that jimmy doherty has been on the telly punting his free range taking on tesco and no comments on here he has done beef last night it was pork next week it is chicken
i cant be the only one that watched it :farmer:
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I don't have a telly - and although I have heard the name, I don't really know who the heck Jimmy Doherty is... ;D
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We watched it and I was struck by how "tasters" said that despite enjoying Jimmy sausage they would not buy it as it had offel in it. Heart and tongue meat put them off and the programme said that most pig offel left over from the Tesco processed pigs is sold to Chinna !
People have always loved or hated offel by itself but I was struck how phobic people are about its inclusion in a processed product. I wonder if they had been allowed to see the "meat processing" of the Tesco pig if they had had the same reaction to Jimmy's meat and offel banger.
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It's strange - yet folk will eat chicken nuggets made from ground up, MRM. They obvioulsy heven'y had haggis which is offal in superlative form.
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We don't watch telly any more, haven't done for over a year now, its made me realise how much rubbish there was on telly and I don't know how I ever found the time. People like JD just get on my nerves actually, who cares...
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many years ago we were at an event down in wiltshire and were given faggots to try very good and tasty but once it was revealed there contents about half refused to eat any more and that was pig breeders
we as a nation have grown used to only eating what we want and throwing the rest away no wonder china is buying up all the offal ears and penises etc at 25 pence per kilo we are giving it away and laughing at us
i am really surprised at tesco participating in this programme as to me it does not show them in good light with there production methods and refusal to show certain aspects as a point of interest here he would not be allowed onto any commercial pig farm in Scotland without six clear days on neutral ground and not coming into contact with pigs or anybody associated with pigs
the chicken next week will be interesting :farmer:
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Yes I saw this. Personally I'd be interested in a sausage made of offal - full of nutrients! Anyway, I thought that was the original "point" of sausages and the like?
Yeah, I despair at how squeamish fellow carnivores are when it comes to not being wasteful >:(
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many years ago we were at an event down in wiltshire and were given faggots to try very good and tasty but once it was revealed there contents about half refused to eat any more and that was pig breeders
we as a nation have grown used to only eating what we want and throwing the rest away no wonder china is buying up all the offal ears and penises etc at 25 pence per kilo we are giving it away and laughing at us
i am really surprised at tesco participating in this programme as to me it does not show them in good light with there production methods and refusal to show certain aspects as a point of interest here he would not be allowed onto any commercial pig farm in Scotland without six clear days on neutral ground and not coming into contact with pigs or anybody associated with pigs
the chicken next week will be interesting :farmer:
What do China make with all those penises? Cock au vin?!! :eyelashes:
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Very good NM ;D
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What do China make with all those penises? Cock au vin?!! :eyelashes:
:D :D :D Cock au rice wine?
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maybe whips :farmer:
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Come on now Robert thats streching it a bit far
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OK then Robert, if you don't sell your willies to the (local? ;D ) Chinese, what do you do with them?
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you don't get them back you have to ask for the coul fat and any offal you want also the tongue is removed and still pay for disposal
in Africa you can get rhino whips they are made from yes rhinos penises :farmer:
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in Africa you can get rhino whips they are made from yes rhinos penises :farmer:
And bull ones, and they're less rare than rhinos.
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i have one :farmer:
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i think weve gathered that robert. ;)
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no a bull whip
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whatever :-J :D
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I watched it, didn't look good that Tesco didn't want it shown on TV what goes into their sausage.
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I watched it, didn't look good that Tesco didn't want it shown on TV what goes into their sausage.
Hate them, just bloody hate them , I have no idea how to spell Hypocrits - that's exactly it. I am really angry! Always "the consumer here the consumer there". Utter crap. Seen too many programs over the years to know that they put worse things in sausages than Jimmy ever could, b*****ks included :P .I wished Jimmy had gone to a different chain for this and I would feel better going in there when his stuff is actually on sale ! :&>
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Maybe the programme was more about Jimmy than about Tesco?
The look of horror on the faces of the tasting panel made me think he was doing it for effect. Do any sausage manufacturers identify in the ingredients list exactly whereabouts in the pig the pork content comes from? Was this information which he legally had to impart to them?
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Really, one part of a pig is just as nourishing as another, surely? The trouble today is that people aren't hungry! :pig:
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Smallholding is a very good way of discovering both economy and good eating. In our opinion the less popular bits of a sheep are the best.
We were amused to get an unlabelled bag back from the butcher (he helpfully labels and prices everything using his retail price list) containing a pair of creamy coloured items. Perhaps they're priceless!
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Really, one part of a pig is just as nourishing as another, surely? The trouble today is that people aren't hungry! :pig:
It's the same people who can't explain to their kids that milk does come from cows. Remember Jamie Oliver at the primary school ? What vegetable is this....? I constantly have to battle with my teens even though I have not raised them that way - liver's gross, blablabla ::) . They munch happily the worst rubbish you wouldn't even call food because they haven't a clue what's in it . "Chicken" nuggets :P ? We are a minority, as sad as it is..and every time I see something like this I am shocked and surprised the human race made it that far....I personally can't wait for Jimmy's sausages, I love heart ;D ;D (just wish it was a different store). The disdain in that Tesco man's voice when he said they almost looked (or tasted) like Venison, customers wouldn't have it, stupid ::) ::) :&>
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Casseroled pig hearts. Mmmmmmmm. :yum: :yum: :yum:
What is needs is for a celb to say they love offal and everyone will want to eat it. Hmm. Hope no celeb does. The price will go right up.
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I watched it, didn't look good that Tesco didn't want it shown on TV what goes into their sausage.
Hate them, just bloody hate them , I have no idea how to spell Hypocrits - that's exactly it. I am really angry! Always "the consumer here the consumer there". Utter crap. Seen too many programs over the years to know that they put worse things in sausages than Jimmy ever could, b*****ks included :P .I wished Jimmy had gone to a different chain for this and I would feel better going in there when his stuff is actually on sale ! :&>
Wholeheartedly agree - haven't shopped there for years. We've even passed one of their petrol stations, running on fumes to get to another station, rather than give them our custom!!! :P
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Come on now Robert thats streching it a bit far
Size is everything ;)
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Can someone tell me the name of the program ...I am still overseas working and hope to watch it online.....muchas grassyarse
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it is on channel four at 9 at night on Tuesday night :farmer:
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That arrogant Tesco numpty just about summed up Tescos. Profit before anything else, they dont give a toss about animal welfare. They only adhere to the minimum welfare standards because the law says they have to. I refuse to go in such places and i believe the likes of Tescos are contributing greatly to the way British society has become so ignorant of how our food is reared/produced.
On the brighter side i do believe the tide is slowly turning and people are starting to question where our food has come from and how its produced and if these supermarkets dont buck their ideas up they will pay dearly in the long term, we arent all sheeple.
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for the tide to turn a good deal more programmes like this one are needed maybe not fronted by jimmy to boost his own ego or interest in his products but like Adam hensen has that eye candy appeal to the females and it is them that are the buyers
tesco are a business buy cheap sell dear and cream the profits food is the biggest household expense there is and it is only natural to get you in there and sell you petrol household goods and electrical items
squeeze the petrol retailers out and all the other businesses that they are competing with then jack the price up it has moved on from the days of liptons supermarkets that were minuscule in comparison :farmer:
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I agree Robert and it is only a ripple but we do have to start somewhere i guess. Education plays a big part too. The death of many high streets are down to these big companies, greed on the councils part i reckon. Whenever i can i use small independent shops and more importantly local. Many of my friends are big into bartering too which is great, gives you access to all manner of things.
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Would have been interesting to know just what did go into the Tesco sausage. I had my mother for a week and gave her some of our free range pork sausages, she did not like them saying they were to strong. Too used to eating the rubbish ones. she is 81. OH and I love liver with onions.
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Jimmy and the Giant supermarket
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I agree Robert and it is only a ripple but we do have to start somewhere i guess. Education plays a big part too. The death of many high streets are down to these big companies, greed on the councils part i reckon. Whenever i can i use small independent shops and more importantly local. Many of my friends are big into bartering too which is great, gives you access to all manner of things.
The "death of the High Street" or at least a severe reduction in the number of shops is an unstoppable process which was addressed by Mary Portas in her report for HMG, which was commissioned to make it sound like someone gives a stuff or is actually going to do anything about it. Her 28 recommendations have as much chance of being adopted nationally or on any scale at all as Greece has of repaying its loans.
The reasons why it's unstoppable are that
- Joe Public while bemoaning the loss of local shops carries on driving into town for his/her weekly shop.
- the internet has destroyed the traditional business model for selling white goods, books and loads of other stuff. The collapse of Clinton Cards, and the travails of Dixons and Argos aren't down to Tesco.
- local councils seem unable to resist charging for parking. It's one of the few areas of revenue under their control but self-defeating.
- the supermarkets have sponsored a generation who can't cook so live off the convenience food and ready meals they peddle.
Retail fashion chains used to need 250 shops to provide them with national coverage. Now the multi-channel approach means that 75 will do the same job. One brand opened a big store in Westfield Stratford (next to the Olympic Park) and plans to close five in nearby High Streets. Their customers carry smart phones that allow them to scan the barcode on a label and find the nearest competitor selling the same item for less.
The majority of leases fall-in over the next five years in most High Streets. Expect to see vacancy rates rising a lot from current levels. It will also take a fairly large fall in business rates for such property to be attractive to start-ups even at much lower asking rents.
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I specifically meant one off local individual shops simon, clinton cards arent in that category. Councils have been too greedy for too long and are to blame for a lot of this. A new Tescos was built where my mother lives but the original application was turned down then tescos offered to pay for a bypass and permission was granted, so down came a very popular open air swimming pool which was built to commemorate the Kings coronation. Call me old fashioned if you like but i just hate these big multi-nationals, they got no heart and couldnt give a toss about the customers. Of course internet is playing a big part too, way of the times i guess.
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But if High Streets "collapse" then landlords ludicrous rental expectations will fall and more small independent retailers may be able to afford to come back into the high street surely?
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all you get is more charity shops and betting agents. Ah, and pound shops :P .All other small retailers including a Farm shop who tried went bust here after a year or two - council's rates to blame in my view. They charge what, around £ 40 for a stall at the Farmers market for 4 hours on a Saturday morning? I wouldn't bother to be honest. :&>
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There is no easy answer i guess but i do feel councils and landlords could be doing more.
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There is no easy answer i guess but i do feel councils and landlords could be doing more.
Business rates seem to be the nail in the cofin in the smaller towns around us, businesses go into shops in the high street on a 3 month rate free deal and the minute the rates kick in they close down at a rapid rate of knots, as has been said councils are just too greedy because for those rates they do very little as commercial premises have to dispose of their own rubbish amd most of them keep their shop front area tidy themselves. Our local high streets are full of charity shops, Thirsk is particularly bad and Northallerton is heading that way as people just park in Tesco/Sainsbury do a shop and bog off back home. Have to admit that i am guilty of not doing much locally as i get my 'essentials' delivered via internet, i do use the local shops in Stokesley after work inc bakers, butchers, dept store, bank, post office but my spend won't make a dent in the national deficit.
mandy :pig:
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Council budgets are being squeezed hard so the money men want to maximise both council tax and parking revenues. It is the classic short term thinking and it persuades shoppers to go to the out-of-town centre where parking is plentiful and free.
One of the historic anomalies of the property market is the 25 year lease with upward-only five year rent reviews and rent paid quarterly in advance. Britain is the only place in the world which insulates its landlords from risk in this way. It means that though trading may have fallen off a cliff the rent doesn't change. The big tenants have been fighting this practice in several ways. One is to go bust and do a pre-pack insolvency which allows the business to go forward shorn of debt and leases. Another is just to let the leases run off and not renew - as I pointed out earlier most of the High Street leases have 5 years of fewer to run - while some robust tenants have demanded relief such as monthly lease payment.
Once again the banks have a leading role in this mess, and once again they are burying their heads in the sand. Banks were routinely lending 80% of value, a value assessed when markets were buoyant and demand for property investments drove up prices. So there are very many properties are carrying debt well in excess of value, a value which can neither be determined accurately nor realised because liquidity has vanished.
Over time this should indeed produce lower rents, but it won't be an elegant or thought-through process. When a tenant departs leaving the property empty the debt ceases to be serviced. So the asking rent will be stupidly high and the property will join others in the same circumstance. The banks don't know what to do about this because they are only recently becoming aware of the problem. They're not resourced to manage vast estates of property, particularly in a market which is heading away from them fast. With several thousand of their own branches in the same situation (Like most people I don't need a branch) it reinforces the problem.
There are too many retail properties. Dominance of the supermarkets is just one of the issues.
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There are too many retail properties. Dominance of the supermarkets is just one of the issues.
So why the **** is the "solution" to build more and more town centre shopping centres to stand empty? See Leeds, Bradford (well, if they ever start).......
If that sounds aggressive it's aimed up there, not at you :)
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back to Jimmy's program ;D - I would not have bought the sausages, always go for more upmarket ones. definitely am going to try them at least once ;D and might even have the first CK of my life ;D . I've never understood the sentimentality about veal, surely meat is better than a wasted life? :&>
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back to the original post and it has left me wondering did tesco recruit jimmy to bolster there flagging sales or was it wholly Jimmy's idea from what i saw it is tesco made from British meat not a mention of jimmy from the brief shot of the packing must go to tesco and have a squint at the shelves
interesting was the demo in the park with cooking and butchery and touching of the animals the environmental health officer for lanarkshire must have been having Canaries watching that
back to you for your comments :innocent: :farmer:
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back to the original post and it has left me wondering did tesco recruit jimmy to bolster there flagging sales or was it wholly Jimmy's idea from what i saw it is tesco made from British meat not a mention of jimmy from the brief shot of the packing must go to tesco and have a squint at the shelves
interesting was the demo in the park with cooking and butchery and touching of the animals the environmental health officer for lanarkshire must have been having Canaries watching that
back to you for your comments :innocent: :farmer:
very good points, Robert. I wondered bout the same things. It was probably C4's idea ;D , by the same makers of the Jamie Oliver programs, always up for a controversy ;D . jimmy's Britain's most likeable farmer (with a conscience) and everybody hates Tesco (but still shops there). I also think Jimmy would have deserved a merchandise shot on the produce! I hope he gets a percentage of the sales for the intellectual poperty of the recipes. Now they can even market them "as seen on C4" ::) :&>
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absolutely right. funny how this coincided with tescos worse results ever, and the failure of their 'value' ranges to compete with the likes of aldi/lidl.
i did note at the end the positioning of the sausages bottom right of the section. the first rule of merchandising is if you want to maximise a products retail then you place it top left. this can have a tenfold impact on sales. every bit of a shelfs space is laid out according to profit and sales, highest profit/sales go top left, the slow sellers, or ones you want to price establish ready for a future promotion or discount go bottom right ;)
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This is a lose-lose situation for Tesco. Refusing to co-operate with Jimmy (and you could tell they were really on the edge of that) is bad publicity but they really don't want what he has on offer - hence the product placement.
The former CEO Terry Leahy has published a management book a year after his departure (during which the share price has dumped 25%). In his book he devotes 4 pages to himself and 20 pages to the Tesco Clubcard. One of my children went to school with one of his: there's more than 4 pages to be written, believe me!
Alongside Tesco's machine-like devotion to systems, data and screwing suppliers its market domination was ably assisted by a succession of own-goals scored by Sainsbury, Morrison and the other chains. Now, and for the first time in my lifetime the Co-op is revitalised while Sainsbury and Morrison have got canny. Recession is the perfect market for Aldi and Lidl so on a level playing field the public's dislike of Tesco is now starting to matter. Waitrose has neatly moved itself further up-market and out of sight of the rest.
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I always thought (having worked for the now gone Safway) that the best position on the shelf for maximum profits and volume was eye line, the next best was the shelf down and the stuff they really didn't want ot sell or were trying out or the cheapest was top shelf or the bottom.
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Eyehight still works, so I always look at the very bottom shelf first for what I need. I think in the meantime they've learned the left and right position from NLP (neurolinguistic programming), which is not so easily accessible for us. We can all be manipulated that way - works in therapy as well which is the good side of it.... :&>
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Interesting. Any more insights into how we're manipulated would be welcome. I've got more resistant to the BOGOF racket but we still over-buy
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most shops work clockwise. :thumbsup:
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which explains why my mum was immune. She shopped according to the order of the things on her shopping list and walked miles buying only what she wanted
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my guide is price, taking petrol to get to places into account. I always go with a list but do get other things for the store cupboard if they are cheapest in the store I am in. Quality is my second guide. Tinned tomatoes are best quality at Aldi, meat and fresh fish at Morrisons. :&>
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I built a spreadsheet a while ago to work out how far it was worth going to save a penny a litre. Given the hike in prices I should dig it out and scare myself.
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Phillips used to negotiate the positioning of their electrical products with high street chains. Left of the store (UK only) ,eye level at the point where the flooring changes from hardsurface to carpet was good- orange attracts I gather . Carpet slows ladies down in M&S !!!!
If you want to get rid of customers then just look at MacDonalds seating areas - hardsurfaces, noise and seat that challenge even the "oversize me" brigrade.
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I knew the late Bob Payton, a fast-food innovator, for whom making a profit meant turning around people in his restaurants faster. So:
- the coffee was poor, and expensive. People didn't linger
- the seats weren't particularly comfortable
- the piped music was on a fairly short loop. People left when they heard repeats thinking they must have been there a while
- staff were trained not to say "would you like a dessert" but "the apple pie is good today, can I bring you some"
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hmmm - this must be aimed at one-timers only :P
if the coffee is good and the staff are happy I tend to go back every time I'm in town :&> ::)