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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: P6te on May 29, 2012, 01:40:11 pm
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We have the opportunity of switching from purchasing 25kg sacks of pig nuts to (for the lack of a better expression) loose milled pig food by the tonne. The loose milled pig food will offer a substantial savings and if our butcher (who recommended and put us in contact with the supplier) is correct, the end result is superior pork.
The question is, does anyone else purchase ‘loose pig food’ in volume and if so, how do you store and subsequently serve it?
Many thanks
Pete
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the biggest problem for loose feeding is what are you going to move it with leaving it in the builders bag Will encourage vermin the best system of storage is hoppers or bulk free standing feed bins then it can be blown in
not sure on the pork being superior as the feed will be the same as the commercial guys use and i got it in the neck for sticking up for commercial produced pork but that is your market and that is what your butcher wants
serving it is just the same as pellets or you could try wet feeding by mixing with water don't buy to much at once and it can go solid in the hopper :farmer:
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We have the opportunity of switching from purchasing 25kg sacks of pig nuts to (for the lack of a better expression) loose milled pig food by the tonne. The loose milled pig food will offer a substantial savings and if our butcher (who recommended and put us in contact with the supplier) is correct, the end result is superior pork.
The question is, does anyone else purchase ‘loose pig food’ in volume and if so, how do you store and subsequently serve it?
Many thanks
Pete
quote I store in silo's....... I store fresh grain and mill the grain,a dd the minerals and feed to pigs. I then know what is in my feed at all times. Yes it is much cheaper than the pellets.... Pigs grow quite fine on it. You just need a nutritionist if you go down this road, if it is already make up then even better
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Thank you ... I was expecting 'hoppers' to be the answer .... do you have any suggestions where they can be sourced? If I'm buying one tonne at a time I guess the capacity needs to be 1.25 tonnes so as not to run out. Blowing it in sounds the best way ... source of a blower?
Whilst the savings may be substantial the cost of setup can't be excessive. With my usage being in the region of 3 tonnes a year I need to get a reasonable balance.
Pete
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for 3 tons a year i would not bother we use in the region of 18 tons and yes there could be a saving on cost but a big expense on hoppers bins or silos even secondhand then the dust and working in that dust
allright feeding it when the ground is dry what happens when the ground is slabber and the meal is lost
how much of a saving is there per ton :farmer:
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Thank you Robert,
I've just done a search on eBay and see their are a couple of 2 tonne (second hand) hoppers for sale - initial price around £75 - £90 with some work needed plus collection.
So, as you say, in all probability the saving is probably not sufficient to make it cost effective.
Worth investigating though ....
Pete
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Hi Pete,
I have a grain mix made up for me and it is cheaper than pellets and I know what goes in it. I use about 20 tons a year and the merchant I buy off will deliver and blow it in but minimum order is 5 ton. I didnt want a hopper so I've built a feed store on the back of my stables and will get it blown in there. I use to get a ton at a time and I built a wooden storage bin in my feed room and kept it in there no problem.
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At three tons a year I'd stick with the bags too. Do you get them in bulk though? My local agri store will order in half a ton to a ton of nuts for me (about once a month) and I pay about a quid fifty less per bag than they charge if you buy them in twos or threes. They forklift the pallet on to the back of my pickup and off we go, just the unloading at home to worry about - simples. :pig:
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I agree with the others' points and as well as pig feed usually only has a 'shelf life' of 3 months before losing it's mineral content.
I buy 2 tonnes at a time (once a month). With this amount I could have exactly the same feed delivered and blown in (2tonnes is their minimum to mix the sow and weaner nuts that I use).
The cost was a little cheaper for the food, but not enough to cover the cost of a silo and base.
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I get mine loose from the local feed guy, I just take 5 old feed feed backs and we shovle it in, £20 in his top pocket! Store it in a cleaned out wheelie bin, feed it in a trough. Works out cheaper. I don't use loads, only have 4 to 6 weaners at a time. Don't know if every feed supplier would be happy with the arangement but I suspect he dosen't but the £20 through the books and its just a bit of pocket money!
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DM if you get inspected by EH where is your labels pertaining to the feed and batch numbers you must have them for production :farmer:
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i use between 8 and 10 tonnes a year and stick with bagged because its easier for me to control, i get a tonne pallet at a time (2 if they have an offer on) its delivered to the door and stacked in my feed house couldn't ask for a better service - Thompsons of York.
Have looked into going down loose feed route but fear about vermin and control put me off.
mandy
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Thank you for all the input.
At the moment we are using Argo feeds (South Yorks, S36 6HQ) and they do free delivery on a mixed tonne or more. They supply in 25kg paper sacks (which are great toys for the pigs) and we last paid £306 / tonne for sow and weaner nuts. They normally come fresh off the production line with 4 months shelf life. They come on a pallet and if requested (and available) will send a vehicle with a fork lift, otherwise they are man handled off.
I also get layers pellets from them and they can contributes to the mixed tonne for free delivery.
How does this compare to others prices? Any other recommendations?
Pete
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DM if you get inspected by EH where is your labels pertaining to the feed and batch numbers you must have them for production :farmer:
Is that true if the pork is for your own consumption, or only if you sell it on?
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it is for both it is traceability if there is contaminated feed :farmer:
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Ah, didn't know that, thanks.
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for 3 tons a year i would not bother we use in the region of 18 tons and yes there could be a saving on cost but a big expense on hoppers bins or silos even secondhand then the dust and working in that dust
allright feeding it when the ground is dry what happens when the ground is slabber and the meal is lost
how much of a saving is there per ton :farmer:
1500 ton a year so it is much cheaper than pellets. I can buy seconds grain and have the nutritionist adjust the diet to suit....keeping the pigs lean for market.
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Thank you Robert,
I've just done a search on eBay and see their are a couple of 2 tonne (second hand) hoppers for sale - initial price around £75 - £90 with some work needed plus collection.
So, as you say, in all probability the saving is probably not sufficient to make it cost effective.
Worth investigating though ....
Pete
Silos come in 1 ton up to 500 ton capacity........ and big dollars/pounds to go with it.
You could also build a shed to hold your grain in and auger it in to your mill from there.
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At three tons a year I'd stick with the bags too. Do you get them in bulk though? My local agri store will order in half a ton to a ton of nuts for me (about once a month) and I pay about a quid fifty less per bag than they charge if you buy them in twos or threes. They forklift the pallet on to the back of my pickup and off we go, just the unloading at home to worry about - simples. :pig:
If you have a hopper or a silo they can blow them across. Just leave the lid off for a day or so for them to dry out!!
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I get mine loose from the local feed guy, I just take 5 old feed feed backs and we shovle it in, £20 in his top pocket! Store it in a cleaned out wheelie bin, feed it in a trough. Works out cheaper. I don't use loads, only have 4 to 6 weaners at a time. Don't know if every feed supplier would be happy with the arangement but I suspect he dosen't but the £20 through the books and its just a bit of pocket money!
They are not worried about contamination taking old feed bags back and reusing them?
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i use between 8 and 10 tonnes a year and stick with bagged because its easier for me to control, i get a tonne pallet at a time (2 if they have an offer on) its delivered to the door and stacked in my feed house couldn't ask for a better service - Thompsons of York.
Have looked into going down loose feed route but fear about vermin and control put me off.
mandy
That is silos are are great choice.
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We get our feed loose, 3 tonnes approx every 6 weeks. We get it blown into a shipping container :) .