The Accidental Smallholder Forum

Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: sabrina on April 19, 2012, 12:17:15 pm

Title: Topic of the day
Post by: sabrina on April 19, 2012, 12:17:15 pm: On the TV show This morning topic of the day was binge drinking. Should girls be named and shamed. Can't see that it would change drinking habits. One of the things that was said that girls can spend over £100 on a night out drinking. where does this money come from. All I can think of is they must live at home and pay little or no dig money. My OH and myself both work but no way could we spend £100 on drink in a month never mind one night out. So are parents to blame for being too soft. My sons left home when they went to university, only home for holidays. Now we did help out but they did their bit by doing part time jobs. Now all have their own houses, wife, kids. I taught them from an early age the value of money. Today its all about having a good time as if its the Young's right and to heck with the rest of us.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: Penninehillbilly on April 19, 2012, 12:49:46 pm: I've watched some of these 'camera cop' programmes, where they are dealing with nights out, makes me ashamed to be of the same race as these 'people'. 'Ladies' showing rather too much flesh and staggering about being sick or unconcious, I know it isn't PC but why should they expect others to look out for their safety when they get themselves in that state? (I'm not excusing the males either).
And if I had a £100 spare it certainly wouldn't be wasted on giving me a hangover and future liver problems!
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: Bionic on April 19, 2012, 01:48:43 pm: These young girls and men also should be ashamed of themselves but instead it seems to be 'cool' to be drunk. Apart from the sheer waste of money what are they doing to themselves.

Even when I was working and earning very good money I never spent that much on drink. Maybe I am just too stingy.

I don't want to sound holier than thou but I have only ever been drunk once in my life. That was many many years ago and done at home on purpose so that I could see what it was all about.

It was horrible and something I have never wanted to go through again. I had never seen my parents drunk either.

I do like to have a glass of wine and I also like to have a few cocktails when we go on holiday but I always know when to stop.

Sally
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: suziequeue on April 19, 2012, 01:56:08 pm: As a student when I wasn't earning much I always seemed to have enough money for a drink.

Now I'm working and earning a very good wage, there's NO WAY I could afford to go out and spend £100 in one night. That's as much as I allow myself to spend in a week on everything these days.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: Sandy on April 19, 2012, 02:05:44 pm: How times have changed....i hardly drank anything until I was 40....my daughters are not drinkers either, I notice they have a drink now and again but nothing like the weekend binge drinkers. I saw a programme with girls and boys on a holiday and was sooooo sadened by it all, how vulnerable the young people.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: anderso on April 19, 2012, 02:18:13 pm: after many years of working all over the worldon my own and all money was known as beer tokens, I now look at the waste - OK I had a house and car (not now divorce)

nowadays I enjoy being with the OH and animals and the garden - still got no money - but as you say how anyone smoke and drink these days at £3 per pint.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: MAK on April 19, 2012, 02:29:43 pm: I agree completely with all the above and I am afraid to say I too am embarrassed by those TV shows that showed Brits on Holiday. My son and I did an all inclusive holiday a few years ago and daily people drank from 10:00 till midnight because they could ( and it was free). It seems that in the UK because people can then they they will -- that relates to all sorts of behaviours from drink, drugs, having a baby outside a committed relationship, cheating on a partner and even cheating each other by claiming benefits - even disability benefits of which more people are registered as disabled than any other similar country. etc etc
.
Sorry to say that it seems a UK thing - here we never see youngsters drunk - infact you rarely see them at night as all but 3 bars are shut at night ( in our large county town)
We never see kids or dads in football shirts - no baseball caps - no T- shirts that tell you to F off and very few tattoos unless you spot an unbalanced mum with fascinating body piercing. It is quite a shock to return to the UK and see a sea of shaved heads and belly hanging out - the men are no better ;D ;D

Yours Victor Meldew
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: chairmanphil on April 19, 2012, 02:39:25 pm: youth will be youth and as we get old we forget what we got up to! they will be reflective about this one day and their children will be up to something they do not understand. there is a whole generation growing up now who don't even know who the clash are!

"the noise we thought would never stop died a death as all the punks grew up"
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: NormandyMary on April 19, 2012, 03:55:15 pm: Why oh why arent the drunks who are taken to hospital, charged a fee for their care. If they can afford to pay for their drink, they can afford to pay for their nursing care afterwards. A £200 fee should sort them out and help the poor old NHS.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: sabrina on April 19, 2012, 04:53:53 pm: Sorry youth will be youth, I never once saw my parents drunk. My father did not drink and the only time my mother did was New year when everyone went in and out of each others houses. I couldn't drink a bottle of wine but the young can put away a bottle of spirits before they go out. There is something far wrong with our country when the young can only feel good about themselves drunk. lack of work, housing all adds to a nation with no future so they hide their problems by drinking. I was brought up in a normal working class family where my parents made time to teach us how to make the best of what we had. Now everything is buy now pay later lifestile which is a sure ways to stress and long term worry. So people drink to escape their problems. Its a vicious circle.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: chairmanphil on April 19, 2012, 05:18:07 pm: Quote from: sabrina on April 19, 2012, 04:53:53 pm
Sorry youth will be youth, I never once saw my parents drunk. My father did not drink and the only time my mother did was New year when everyone went in and out of each others houses. I couldn't drink a bottle of wine but the young can put away a bottle of spirits before they go out. There is something far wrong with our country when the young can only feel good about themselves drunk. lack of work, housing all adds to a nation with no future so they hide their problems by drinking. I was brought up in a normal working class family where my parents made time to teach us how to make the best of what we had. Now everything is buy now pay later lifestile which is a sure ways to stress and long term worry. So people drink to escape their problems. Its a vicious circle.

everyone has reasons for what they are going through. if you believe what you read in the press or on the idiot box then you will write a generation off as all the same which is just not true. not all young people are out drinking a bottle of spirits before they go out, infact i think you will find it is a very small minority. coming out with rhetoric like that is not going to help anybody see the error of there ways.
i have a son who has just got A* on his physics and chemistry course work and is looking at straight A for all his subjects. i left school without a single exam pass and have been paid to travel the world. i owe nothing! not a penny, everything i have i worked for but as a young punk i did drink and party all night and it taught me loads valuable life skills. as for vicious circles well all timeline look vicious if you look down them long enough. i think it is important for everyone to be able to learn form their mistakes, if you can't have fun when you are young then there is no hope.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: Castle Farm on April 19, 2012, 05:26:02 pm: Well! I think the some of the youth of today need a bloody good wake-up call.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing how these poor youngsters have no hope and take drugs and get drunk to just get through a day.

Bring back national service or something similar and get them off their lazy arses. Work the idle gits till they are glad to find a proper job.

Everyone in the UK gets about 13 years of free education. Hundreds of thousands of kids in the world would kill for a chance of a good education and what do our lot do...Blame society (us) for their lack of skills and education.

I blame the parents who just sit around and allow the kids to dictate what they should and shouldn't do.

This country is on a very slippery slope and no body gives a rats arse.

A major Chinese diplomate summed it up a few months ago when he said. 'The british have to many benifits and it's dragging the country down'

Having fun is all very well, but at who's expence?
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: jaykay on April 19, 2012, 05:57:38 pm: I work in a secondary school, so spend quite a lot of time with 'youngsters'. They vary as much as the rest of us!

Certainly the culture has changed and what goes on now is not what used to go on when we were kids - but the same can be said of every generation.

Youngsters have never been known for their moderate ways - it's in the nature of teenagers to be passionate and over-the-top about their views, fashion and behaviour. Steadiness (boringness ;)) comes later. Some of 'our kids' drink a lot in the evenings. Of course I wish they didn't, that it wasn't the norm, that there were other places than pubs for them to go (no evening coffee shops, icecream parlours etc here).

Whole sections of our society are rather oafish and drunken. No point blaming the kids.

Nor tarring them all with the same brush. Many of ours are articulate and hard-working. They all raise money for the charities the school supports (Shelter, Macmillan and a school in Africa) and they all do work in the community through their time in school (Meals on Wheels, Toy Library, Playgroup). Not such a bad bunch :)
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: deepinthewoods on April 19, 2012, 06:12:42 pm: i remember when i was in my v late teens, hardly anyone was out drinking, we were all out taking hard drugs and ravin all night!! i got very despondent about the recent riots, it was a very poor show, no coppers got battered, ahh i remember toxteth.... as for todays music, what a load of rubbish, i was right into my punk too, it wasnt a good night if you didnt come home covered in spit and battered and bruised from fighting the goths or the skins.

and drunken girlies also have their place, or my place ;) :D
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: jaykay on April 19, 2012, 06:40:29 pm: ;)
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: chairmanphil on April 19, 2012, 06:56:25 pm: i remember Toxteth and do you remember Mosside and Humue in Manchester! what a ball, so many good times they knocked it all down! :thumbsup: :love:
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: deepinthewoods on April 19, 2012, 07:02:56 pm: yup, mad times in tocky m8 proper avin it :D
yer and what about all the football fightin crews, god, imagine that now, tooled up gangs of blokes goin by train for an organized fight, leaving callin cards ffs, every saturday, for fun. careful what you wish for i reckon, the good old days werent always good.
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: chairmanphil on April 19, 2012, 07:11:31 pm: i spent 20 years away from my home town and have now been back for 4 years. when i left 43 pubs now there are 12, you couldn't walk around friday night or you would get beaten to a pulp these days not a problem. drunk people yes but not violent like it used to be. round this way things are much quieter now than they used to be and no-one has stupid hair anymore not even me! :dunce:
Title: Re: Topic of the day
Post by: deepinthewoods on April 19, 2012, 07:20:53 pm: haha, nor me, a grey mohawk just isnt hip with the kids.

and while were at it, terrorists! now call me old fashioned, but you knew where you were with the ira, i grew up in hereford, i remember being in town on a saturday after noon and the whole citycentre being evacuated, this happened regularly. obviously hereford was a target but bombs went off regularly on mainland britain throughout the 80's. at least the ira gave warning, how polite!!

please dont take offence at the above peeps its meant rather tounge in cheek ok!!