The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: Beewyched on April 10, 2012, 09:57:54 am
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A friendly word of advice ...
ALWAYS CHECK-OUT YOUR POTENTIAL BUYERS CPH NO. BEFORE YOU GET THEIR DEPOSIT
I have recently had someone, who has kept stock on their micro-holding for years, wanting to purchase some KK weaners. All seemed fine, until I attempted to process the movement on ScotEID - their holding was LANDLESS :o
As you can imagine, this has caused upset for the folk involved - apart from the fact I now have 2 unsold piglets, which were fully paid for & registered in the folks' name ::)
I guess this is going to become more noticable now we have an electronic system - I assume in the past the local AH Inspector had to sort it, as we, as sellers, wouldn't have necessarily known about it - even though I always offer aftercare to any of my buyers & not heard of it before.
Has anyone else had this problem?
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when all the debate was going on here about the introduction of e aml i did mention/warn you all that it was to check up on everything just wait to they start on the transport regs :farmer:
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Morning Robert :wave:
At least this may finally PTS the keeping of "micros" in human houses ::)
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Hi Beewyched :wave: :wave: :wave:
This is a problem we have very frequently when selling sheep, so yes, I always make sure people are properly registered when they first enquire, and that gives them time to get it all sorted before they collect their sheep. You would think that if someone has been keeping animals already that they would have it all done years ago - but no ::)
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Is a landless CPH not sometimes given when the folk rent ground ??? Either way, sorry this has happened :(
If I hear of anyone looking for Kunes I'll give you a shout Mrs :-*
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ALL of my youngsters will now be going for slaughter. I'll be sure then where they are!
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How can there be a CPH number without any land? A CPH refers to a piece of land, not a person or a business. On thyge subject of eAML2, what a load of crap. It said we weren't registered even though we are and despite sending me an e-mail telling me that a movement was on it's way. Then two days later the movement miraculously appeared in my account. Marvellous.
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You can get a CPH on anything physical eg a second floor flat, hence this will not unfortunately prevent micro sales, that is they relate to a geographical location.
Landless CPH's are something else, I don't fully understand when these get allocated, or quite why, as HH says seems to be to do with rental, but again since the authorities would want to know where the infected pig has just moved to, wouldn't they want a location of the rented?
And as Robert says all the pre-notify and stuff is just more intrusion, now we need permission from the state first to move animals !
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Juliet :wave: :wave: :wave: - I will email you this evening :bouquet:
Cheers Karen - ditto later this year :-*
Oaklands - it is definately the rental side of things up hear in the Bonnie Land - farmers historically purchasing neighbouring farms for the land, which then is registered to their CPH, then rent-out the premises as a "smallholding with a couple of acres". Which is fine for folks only wanting to have some chucks, a pony, grow fruit & veg etc. Problems arise when they then decide to start the actual smallholding side of things.
IMPO I would rather know if there's gonna be a problem for prospective purchasers - it's less heart-breaking for them, less stress for the animal (especially as we're usually talking about moving youngsters here) & less time-consuming for me - at least we'll now know if a CPH No is correct BEFORE we go ahead with a sale.
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Some people keep their pigs/goats etc. in gardens, with no land. How do they go on with ther CPH?
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Some people keep their pigs/goats etc. in gardens, with no land. How do they go on with ther CPH?
You can get a CPH for a garden.
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you also get a cph for a flat if that is were the pig is kept :farmer:
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you also get a cph for a flat if that is were the pig is kept :farmer:
Now that's just ridiculous :o how on earth does "big brother" justify that ??? I can understand where you're coming from on this one Robert.
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Hi :wave:
I've just been given a landless cph number, even though my friends land where I will be keeping pigs already has a cph. I live too far away apparently so I need my own number.
Was there a reason why they couldnt buy your pigs? (just wondering if breeders will have a problem with my number being landless?)
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Lynne,
I have a landless CPH number, whilst i am waiting of the owner to decide if he will sell me the land. I can keep whatever animals i like - the same as a person who owns the land with a CPH number. I am confused as to why you couldn't sell on the pigs?
This was arranged through SGRIP in Ayr last month.
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I also have a CPH which is not conected to any land, an 0700 number. If I have to submit a CPH it is of the land involved in the movement. My land is all rented so has its own CPH. Simpels ? :wave:
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Hi all
I don't know whether anyone can help me - we have just started making homemade sausages from home and would like to get a cph no so that we could possibly buy from market and take straight to slaughter if the right animals came to hand. Does anyone know if I can get a CPH no without having the land on which to keep animals?
I would appreciate anyones comments
Thankyou
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Most abbatoirs only slaughter pigs on specific days, usually Mondays for some reason. I think you would have to have somewhere to keep your pigs between market day and then.
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Hi all
I don't know whether anyone can help me - we have just started making homemade sausages from home and would like to get a cph no so that we could possibly buy from market and take straight to slaughter if the right animals came to hand. Does anyone know if I can get a CPH no without having the land on which to keep animals?
I would appreciate anyones comments
Thankyou
I suggest you contact DEFRA they will advise you.
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a landless cph is just for forming filling? and u rent someone elses land for livestock? is that what we r talking about?
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Homegrown
Why don't you buy direct from the abattoir? Our local one sells to the general public so you wouldn't need to have a CPH.
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Homegrown
Why don't you buy direct from the abattoir? Our local one sells to the general public so you wouldn't need to have a CPH.
what price is that for factotum?
our butcher sells half pigs for about £105. are abattoirs cheaper?
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To be honest I don't know. I was trying to give other options for the OP. I haven't checked with the abattoir about pigs recently.
The last items we bought from our local slaughter house was a lamb and a whole beef rump - but that was a couple of years ago. At that time it was cheaper than buying the equivalent from the local supermarket (Tesco) or our nearest butcher.
The last lot of pigs we had slaughtered had varying costs back in 2008/9 - 2* 6 month old pigs cost about £52 and an older boar was £24 and 2 older sows £74.
If the OP wants to make sausage, but doesn't have any land to grow on weaners, or a trailer to move them, then I think they'd be better off buying from the abattoir than have the hassle of buying at the mart, paying for the transport from mart to abattoir and then paying for the slaughter. But I haven't done the costings - it depends where the mart is located, where the abattoir is etc. The OP should do a bit of research locally. I do know that there aren't as many local abattoirs down south as we have up here. Within 60 miles of our farm we have a choice of 3 - the nearest is only about 14 miles away, that can make quite a difference to the costings and then the profit they can make from their final product.
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thanks
i never realised u cud buy from an abattoir, but of course u can as iv see all the scotch premier trucks up here. and there meat adverts. good idea
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As i understand it you don't need a CPH if you're buying in carcasses only if you are buying live animals to bring on, but beware you can't kill at home and then sell on its against the law so as advised by the others buy you carcasses from the abbattoir and so long as your prep areas meet regulations you can continue without CPH.
Best Mandy :pig:
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You would have to give the abbatoir notice anyway if you want animals slaughtered, you can't just turn up.
The best thing, I think, would be to contact someone who rears pigs and pay for the whole, slaughtered carcasse. And, yes, straight from the abbatoir, that may turn out cheaper and you would have ALL the meat from the pig. Whereabouts are you?
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i think you are all missing the point with this they are making sausages at home and wanting to buy pigs at a market to convert to there home made sausages
nobody has asked if they have licenced premises for this activity
from every report of pigs being sold at market they are way below true value
one thing saying x y or z for a carcase but do convert that to price per kilo and it gives an idea of what they are talking about £100 for a 40 kilo carcase could be £300 for a 100 kilo carcase and also gives others an idea of what they could get
or do i look to far into things :farmer:
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Hi
Thanks everyone for your comments - we have been licensed through environmental health to make and sell sausages from home - so that is covered - I have spoken with Rural Payments Agency and now have a CPH no but will look into costings thanks.
Regards
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Homegrown, have you registered for EAML2 pig movements.?
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Hi
Not yet but are looking into it.
Thanks
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what price is that for factotum?
our butcher sells half pigs for about £105. are abattoirs cheaper?
that would be 25kg per half at £4.18 per kg.
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I have just been given a landless number as we are currentely renting land for our pigs whilst buying other land and i too am at a lost as to why you couldn't sell the pigs and like Tobytobuy, mine was arranged through Ayr