The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: harry on March 17, 2012, 08:21:20 pm
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ive now managed to scrounge waste fruit and veg from shops etc i wondered if theres anything pigs shouldnt eat, i know too much of anything isnt good but this week i have a sack full of sprouts and a sack full of bannanas i know bannanas are ok but what about the skins..... i know potatoes need boiling how about onions,,,, anything else i should watch out for
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banana skins they Will eat
sprouts they will fart and stink
potatoes if you want to waste money boiling just fire ahead try boiling a rotten tattie they love them unboiled
if they are hungry they will eat onions but onions can cause mouth ulcers and at the slaughter house can resemble foot and mouth Chile's are a bit hot :farmer:
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did u see in practical pigs - u cant feed veg if u bought it from tesco, only if u get it from a greengrocer - this is after the "icecream eating" pig foto.
i bet if u roasting the onions for half hr, u wouldnt get ulcers. wouldnt like to downwind tho...lol
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The books say that eating any quantity of raw spud interferes with absorption of protein, ie, reduces the feed value of the hard feed or other protein source you do give them, so if there's quite a bit of spud it maybe is worth the time and cost to cook it.
Cooking the potato increases its energy value by 40%, but is not always economic. The cooking process ... inactivates the anti-nutritive factors contained in raw potato which impair protein digestion.
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parsnip tops can cause blistering around the mouth.
spinach & chards should be fed in small ammounts.
we were given a trailer load of sprouts just before christmas only the kk's would eat them the osb's and lops left the b****y lot.............the cattle got through a few and a friend with every thing from pigs to buffalo used the rest she was blown away with the ammount ;D
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I cook up spuds ( even our peelings) then mix with whatever other veg ( pasta if i buy it cheap) we have and add to their flour mix to make a thick porridge like stuff. If they are lucky the get bits of left over bread and fish ( shells from prawns etc). The OH has a thing for making Key Lime Pie and I even through in the used limes. Pumpkin and butternut squash are their favourite but I ran out of these and walnuts last week. And yes they forrage in theirfield and get pig nuts and eggs for protein.
Lucky you getting free fruit and veg from the shop.
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I get literally tons of waste fruit and veg. I find my pigs are a bit selective. They go first for (imported ::)) peaches, grapes, apples melons, pineapple, pears and tomatoes. All veg, carrots, swede, brocoli etc. are eaten when no more of the goodies are left.
The sheep though will eat cabbage, carrots, swede, apples and brocoli and the hens love apples, pears, grapes and tomatoes as well as all greens.
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i got a baby burco boiler from a car boot sale for waxing geese ducks... i wondered if i bung everything in that for a while it would help with digestion. like a chunky soup water and all...
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When I got my mangalitzas I spoke to the secretary of the mangalitza bit of the BPA. She feeds her pigs raw potatoes and nothing else - based on her word we went out and bought a tonne of pig taters - they steadily and quite happily munched their way through them. Hopefully I'll taste the results tomorrow after I pick them up from Arl this evening ;D
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RAW TATTYS AND NOTHING ELSE.... thats goes against other advice given on here.... is it ok for every breed.... how did your mangalitzas do as ime thinking of getting a tamworth x mangalitzas, how did they grow
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Harry
Thats a crock of poo, take verything you hear & read with a dose of common sense! i very much doubt those mangas were raised on JUST raw spuds as mangas are notoriously slow to fatten and need some protein based feed ie nuts to get them to weight, so don't even think about it for your pigs! On average you ned 4lb of fruit and veg to replace 1lb pig nuts so bear that in mind, i tend to think of freebie food as a supplement but if you're getting enough of it by all means replace some nuts but not all. Use YOUR common snese in this matter.
HTH
Mandy :pig:
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if it is the person i am thinking of i heard she was feeding barley with them as well but mangas are meant to be fat
grass eating pigs tattie only feeding pigs what next :farmer:
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Surely not our mutual friend again..........................
mandy :pig:
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no no no no :farmer:
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WHOS THAT THEN
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Our local greengrocer is happy to let us take away unwanted veg and fruit, but it makes me really angry that our local supermarket, the Co-Op, has a policy of boxing up all their slightly blemished bananas, apples, cabbage and cauliflowers, weighing and recording them, sealing up the boxes, burying them in a locked bin outside, then locking the place where the bins are, to stop anyone like me with animals removing them. There is no way they will make any exceptions or let you sneak off with some, and presumably after that it is all taken away and buried in landfill - what madness. No doubt it's some bloody EU rule as usual, but what a pointless waste. Wrote to the company but of course no reply. Tamsaddle
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all the supermarkets are the same but under the rules you could not get it anyway they sell meat and meat products :farmer:
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THAT explains my local co op... i asked first got a no,,,then sneaked round the back, it was almost high security, will give up on them. get mine of market veg stall.
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fruit and veg suppliers are the best option they have to pay for disposal so you are saving them money just the same as micro brewers they have to pay for disposal as well :farmer:
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I know they've got their stupid rules they have to abide by, but how could the veg and fruit at supermarkets possibly get contaminated by/be in contact with the meat and dairy? Everything arrives in separate crates and plastic boxes/bags inside them, then the different products get stacked in completely different parts of the shop from trolleys loaded with one kind of foodstuff at a time only. It seems to me to be taking a sensible rule (ie doing everything poss not to spread foot and mouth) and taking it to ridiculous lengths for no conceivable benefit.
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Harry
Thats a crock of poo, take verything you hear & read with a dose of common sense! i very much doubt those mangas were raised on JUST raw spuds as mangas are notoriously slow to fatten and need some protein based feed ie nuts to get them to weight, so don't even think about it for your pigs! On average you ned 4lb of fruit and veg to replace 1lb pig nuts so bear that in mind, i tend to think of freebie food as a supplement but if you're getting enough of it by all means replace some nuts but not all. Use YOUR common snese in this matter.
HTH
Mandy :pig:
I'm only telling you what she told me - she puts a tractor bucket full of potatoes into her field on a Sunday and tops it up when they've eaten them.
Mine had potatoes, nuts, barley, veg etc - they were slaughtered last week at 14 months old, they were 89 and 91 kilo's according to the abattoir, Arl who butchered them had to cut about 5 inches of fat off the chops and said they were very fat - we have two big bags of fat to render down into lard - so I don't think they've done too badly on it
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5 inches of fat that is 130 mm
did you want them that fat :farmer:
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Well iv just cut up these tattie fed pigs and im impressed, bearing in mind that is all they would have got in their country of origin and they are meant to be reared for fat,lard ect reedos has got rather a large amount of meat as well. Not all pigs obviously require the same diet and i think this is the uniqueness of having a go with our rare breeds. I wouldnt recomend it for most of them but in poorer countries some breeds have evolved on what is avaiable
Arl
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if it is the person i am thinking of i heard she was feeding barley with them as well but mangas are meant to be fat
grass eating pigs tattie only feeding pigs what next :farmer:
from the horses mouth im sure its tatties, wheat, barley and silage.
chinese whispers ... ;)
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if it is the person i am thinking of i heard she was feeding barley with them as well but mangas are meant to be fat
grass eating pigs tattie only feeding pigs what next :farmer:
from the horses mouth im sure its tatties, wheat, barley and silage.
chinese whispers ... ;)
if your going to feed potatoes dont feed wheat and barley the same feed it will cause more laying down of fat.
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5 inches of fat that is 130 mm
did you want them that fat :farmer:
No to be honest we didn't want that much - but I was worried that they were going underweight - reading stuff online about Mangalitzas they often go for slaughter at 140KG !!
We've now got two bags of fat which we will render down.
And by the way - thanks for your services Arl, we are very happy with what you did, I had some sausages as soon as I got home last night and they are ace ;D
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Thank you glad to be of service and nice to meet you both in person.
Arl
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We used to be fortunate to get leftovers from a Fruit and veg market stall twice a week to feed out GOS. Pineapples ( including spiky bits) were favourite and peaches,(especially crunchy centres) would go next. Brussels would not be touched, neither would onions and leeks only if there was nothing else interesting going on. Parsnips we found they would eat if young (the parsnips and the pigs) but stopped putting them in- if we found them)- after we heard about the blistering.
Since moving we are trying to find a new source of fruit and veg remnents. Currently no veg from garden or left over fruit from our trees. ( sad pig face)
Harry - what do you mean waxing ducks and geese??
Jo
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We used to get veg waste from our local co-op but they stopped it saying that their now get paid for their left-overs to go to and be incinerated or biocomposted or something :-s
Steph
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Harry - what do you mean waxing ducks and geese??
Jo............... you dip plucked geese etc into hot wax to peel the down off ....parsnip blistering is just the parsnip tops isnt it ????/?