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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Chris H on February 12, 2012, 09:37:40 am
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At last we have moved to the Isle of Lewis, We have an acre of fenced paddock, that was cultivated and the soil is said to be good. Also 2 1/2 acres of croft land with stream looks wet (land not stream!).
Big garden that did have veg plot and lots of trees.
We have a few chickens and would like more, but considering we are veggies what would the experts out there suggest we do first? all suggestions welcome.
I have worked with sheep and goats.....................but not sure they would be best use of the land as I can get plenty of fleece from the locals.
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I'm definately not an expert :D and for once I'm not going to recommend pigs :D But a couple of Kune Kunes would graze your acres paddock nicely and not get too big or expensive to keep as 'pets' ;) :D
I'd wait til spring and walk your 2 and a half acres - just see exactly how wet it is and if it's all over or if there are dry bits. Look to see if there are any blocked ditches or collapsed drains and maybe the drainage can be improved ? This would let you look to putting stock on it if this is the direction you want to go.
What is your heating source in the house ? If you'd make use of firewood (multifuel stove/Aga/Log fire) then I'd suggest planting some willow. This can be coppiced regularly to provide firewood, willow whips for weaving (if you're at all crafty you can make loads of stuff - baskets. hurdles, archways, the list is as endless as your imagination) you can sell cuttings after a few years and if you put in a few contorted willows you can sell the prunings for floristy too ;)
Get the old veggie garden up and running (collect & compost your chook poo NOW ;)) and if you've got fruit trees there think about pruning (if it's been a long time since they've been done - make sure you don't take it all off in one go, read up lots ;))
This is only what I'd do ;) Everybody else will be along soon.
Welcome to TAS by the way, and I look forward to hearing more :thumbsup:
Karen :wave:
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Thanks Karen
You have given me ideas, I am booked on the course to retrain as a Harris Tweed weaver, but did do basket making long ago, so willow is a sure winner. Not only for baskets and the like, would love to do some living willow stuff? very excited!!
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Thanks Karen
You have given me ideas, I am booked on the course to retrain as a Harris Tweed weaver,
Well, once you learn, I'll happily swap you some pigs for enough tweed to make me a jacket ;)
I've seen some amazing living sculptures - there's a Viking long ship somewhere I'm sure there's a photo on the net somewhere. Good luck with it all & keep us up to date :wave:
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Long as I just supply the tweed I am all for the idea :) Just don't ask me to make the jacket :o
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Dairy goats would be the obvious choice for me!
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I'd go with the chooks and the veg plus any fruit you can grow well on Lewis - do you have a polytunnel as that might be worth investing in to give you more range.. I'm veggie too and have stayed away from sheep much as I'd love some cos the management is far more than the cost of wool ;) tho I may yet succumb one day :) I notice what I have to buy now still is dairy so if you're not vegan then look at either a house cow or two, dairy sheep or dairy goats and see if you then branch out into butter and cheese.
The best idea may be to hang on and see how the land changes in spring, whether it's workable, grazeable by cattle or sheep/goats. I'd also look at how you adjust your life now you've moved, and what is missing from your home produce that is expensive to bring on the island and you could tackle.
Definitely go for some willow as windbreak for stock as well as working with and fuel. Otherwise maybe hang on and build up slowly til you have all you need and not the wrong things for you!
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Pity you're not nearer - we have a land management day coming up in May that might have given you some ideas.
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If interested in polytunnel but worried about one surviving on Lewis you may want to look at the Keder ones, they are pricey but they have them in the Falklands and suchlike, very very tough!
Annoyingly they dont quote price on website but will readily provide it on the phone.
http://www.kedergreenhouse.co.uk/Default.aspx (http://www.kedergreenhouse.co.uk/Default.aspx)
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Hi, I would definately wait till you see what grass quality and amount you have on your land before purchasing livestock to see what drainage, fertilising or liming needs doing as said. But also as a fellow Northerner concentrate this summer on gettin leccy and water around the place. Our winters are dark and long, too long to be carrying buckets of water with torches! Get the hardcore down on heavy traffic areas and repair and fence as necessary. If you get the hard work done first when its fine then actually working the croft will be a million times easier than slopping about in the mud, dark and cold in winter.
As for the veg garden I would ask around to see what varieties grow in your area, I am a member of the local Horticultural society that sell veg seeds that are good for my area. Lots do grow but the dwarf varieties such as Dwarf broad beans etc are better in the winds. It is the salt winds that do for veg more than the cold so a good barrier is a must do for now as well. When I dug my veg garden out I took the turfs off and built a wall with them.Rosa Rugosa is an excellent wind break and you can use the hips as well. Rabbit proofing is a must and check what mammal vermin you have, we dont have foxes or rats but otters will take poultry and polecats will too. I would definately recomend a couple of goats but check what back up you have such as feed merchants within commuting distance! or even a Billy. I have not been able to mate mine for three years as we only have a few goats on Shetland and they are all related so I have had to wait for a Billy to come from Orkney! Also Barter a lot, use what you have to introduce yourself to your neighbours as they will be able to help with tractor jobs, advice and even a few starter plants and chooks. OOh I could go on... how exciting for you and the very best of luck.
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so exciting, lewis is beautiful - tho iv only seen pictures, id love to live on one of the islands so ur very lucky. is lewis as windy as shetland? theres shetland property on the market which has a polytunnel in the garden so im sure if it can survive shetland itl survive anywhere.
good luck. once uv got livestock, ur time just disappears!
what breed are ur goats hermit?
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There are lots of polytunnels in Shetland, they are tougher than they look. Is the property Bratahlid or something like that. It has been for sale for a while now, they will take an offer I am sure Princess ;)
ps My goats are a British Alpine cross and her daughter sired from a Golden Guernsey.
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You're veggie - but do you object to producing meat for others? Only asking as to get dairy you'll need to be breeding your cow/sheep/goat each year... Sounds obvious but you'd be surprised how many people don't click on to that :)
Otherwise I'd go with seeing what the land does, record which weeds pop up in which places, where water collects, where wheel ruts suddenly appear.... :) Find where your plumbing is! Playing "find the leak" in January is no fun :D
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Thank you all so much, so much help on tap!
I am a veggie that can not drink milk, so if we have goats it would be for fun only with no kids. The chooks we have just get old as will the ducks we plan...............
There was a polytunnel on the land and I have seen others, just neeeds to be sited well. I was surprised at Stornoway farmers market to see local wine (from grapes) as well as peaches, so anything is possible :thumbsup:
Great to be sharing a long held dream with people who understand :)
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Sounds very exciting. I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes.
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Before I got my polytunnel I went on a day course for them. The man who gave the talk was from Lewis so he might do talks down by you as well.
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Dont get Shetland mixed up with the west isles. Shetland revolves around money, oil, salmon , mussels ,trawlers etc. It is a rich isle with lots of millionaires The western isles seem more traditional. Shetland is beautiful and I love living here but it is not so much a cute scottish isle as folk imagine. The wildlife is amazing still!The livestock markets up here deal with sheep and cows. There are seperate pony markets but anything else is sold privately. As for a farrier looking for work, well the last one retired a few years back now with a bad back and there has not been one since. The horsey folk have to get one from Orkney or Perth. They scream for one coming up and there are quite a few horses but I dont think a full time job is there. As for some kids having to board, they love it, being in town with the cinema, shops, takeaways etc.It is more the parents worry than the kids. There are two feed merchants and hay and straw is a rarity as it all depends on how much there is to spare down south but Bratahlid has its own hay fields, I even bed my goats on hay as I gave up on getting straw a few years back, you can get shavings though. Pig feed is expensive up here so only a few folk keep them to breed and the buthchers sell Orkney half pigs for a lot cheaper than you can rear them, if you are thinking of selling. If you have good pork people will pay for it but you have to be good and do all the farmers markets,which are not big but folk will go to buy one good product.Goats are more a personal thing which only a few folk do themselves. The only thing you can do is come and have a look and study what is here for you. The school nearest for your kids would be Brae I think, till 6th form when they go to Lerwick, transport for schools is very good. If you come up next year we could meet, Sabrina comes up regularly as well you could both check out Bratahlid it does look lovely but a bit expensive for Shetland property, I think it is aimed at a southerner buying it as it looks cheap to them. I may see you next year :wave:
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thanks hermit. is orkney similar to shetland or completely different?
id love to see fotos of ur place chris!
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Will try to take some pics next week. Seems we have a corncrake which I am dead chuffed about.
We did look at Orkney, but the chance to become a Harris weaver (and be employed) swung it for us :)
I am looking into getting a polytunnel, but need to take time in working out the best place to site it.
Moving the first lot of animals next week, think of us 15 hour car trip with 5 chickens, 5 pugs and a budgie!!!!!!
Sure the puggies will love the place, once they get used to the wind :thumbsup:
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I have never been to Orkney, but i believe it is more Scottish and flatter than Shetland. I really must go ::) My daughter has been with work but has not seen much out of Kirkwall which she says is just like Lerwick. Google Earth has done a lot in Shetland recently so you can go on a virtual car tour round the place now!
A corncrake, how lovely. Do you have restrictions on grazing, harvesting because of the flowers and birds on Lewis?
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Moving the first lot of animals next week, think of us 15 hour car trip with 5 chickens, 5 pugs and a budgie!!!!!!
lol when we came to scotland, we had in our car - a dog, 2 cats, a hamster, sea monkeys, 2 budgies and 2 kids and that was 12 hrs!! lol
is it very windy?
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Orkney is very flat and very windy. Had a week's holiday with two kids after a week on Skye so we arrived with loads of washing including bedding. I used the twin tub and hung the washing on the three lines that were on the green, forming three sides of a square. By the time I had filled the third line, stuff on the first line had blown dry. :D
The only trees grow in the towns where they are sheltered by the buildings and everything grows at an angle in the direction of the wind.
The people I met were incredibly friendly and helpful and I seriously thought about moving there.