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Title: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: smudger on February 11, 2012, 01:02:32 pm
After another fruitless day rebooting, switching off etc as my internet ducked and dived, I am now on the hunt for a reliable ISP.

I can (and do) get 2mb speeds max, so superduper fast is not a selling point, but reliability and good customer service (ie somone at the end of the phone, non-premium and helpful) would be good.  I'm with Plusnet at moment who keep getting good reviews and can't see why. Problem could be router (I couldn't browse yesterday, but could skype for some reason) and DNS issues (but fed up doing all the things you should do and still problems).  Anyway a lot of reviews seem to be based on cost - and I would rather pay £15/ month for a reliable service than £5/month and losing a day a week fixing things.

I have set up a business and now really need a reliable service and thinking might go the business broadband route to get more reliability (static IP address better?).  Zen Broadband came up on a quick google search (moneysaving expert) but did consider if I should look at BT to see if there is an issue with the line (at least it would be a one stop shop). Then again my brother is with BT and curses them!

Any suggestions?  I'm in Devon if it makes any difference.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: doganjo on February 11, 2012, 01:10:37 pm
I can't see how your broadband can be the problem if Skype got through as it is internet based.   If you can't get on the internet you can't get on Skype. I'm not convinced it's the router either as the same applies.  Was the service intermittent?  i.e. you got on Skype but didn't check any websites at the same time rather than just getting on Skype?  In that case I would blame BT as they own the line.  I have a BT line but my broadband is with O2 - never have any problems at all. (www.toucheswood.com (http://www.toucheswood.com)  ;)  ;D )
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on February 11, 2012, 01:51:07 pm
Its the line, not the ISP (internet service provider). The lines are all run by BT who have an automatic fault recognition system. Therefore, if you overload your line (generally by trying to use it) BT will automatically register a fault on the line and cut it out, then reconnect you at a lower speed. This exacerbates the problem as next time you try and download or do something, the same thing happens until in the end you have an appalling connection (speed-wise) that most likely continues to cut out intermittently.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on February 11, 2012, 02:22:43 pm
Do you have a clear phone line when you make/answer phone calls. Ours was terrible at our old house and internet suffered too from it. Eventually BT agreed to replace the line going from the pole to us and it did help!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Womble on February 11, 2012, 02:37:40 pm

Three suggestions:

1) Do you have a very old master socket?  We couldn't get any broadband connection at all, until we replaced ours with an NTE5 socket (see here (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm)). It was cheap as chips from Ebay, and therefore worth a go!

2) Although mod 1) got us a signal of sorts, it was still pretty poor. However, we found out that we can get a much better speed and reliability via a mobile wireless dongle whatsit from three (i.e. using the mobile network, not the BT line). The cost is £18/month with a 15gb allowance. Perhaps someone you know has got one, and would let you borrow it for a day to see if you can get it to connect from your house?

3) Move to the centre of a very large city, buy a huge flatscreen TV, and just watch re-runs of Countryfile and River Cottage to get your smallholder fix, whilst surfing TAS at super fast speeds!  ;D

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: tizaala on February 11, 2012, 03:17:28 pm
Take a chainsaw to the bt poles leading to your house, cut the cables , they will replace them by the time you get out of prison.
If you have sky then get your line rental and broardband through them also, dont even consider Tiscali.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: SallyintNorth on February 11, 2012, 04:23:15 pm
I have nothing good to say about Tiscali, either.

I have found BT to be a reliable provider once the service is up and running.  It has, however, in two different locations (one of them being north Devon 6 years ago), been a protracted and frustrating experience getting the service up and running.  Worth it in the end, though.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: deepinthewoods on February 11, 2012, 04:34:59 pm
im with o2 and whilst their not the cheapest the support is BRILLIANT, everytime ive had a problem ive had really good help, even when the problem was with the computer not the line,  theystill helped me sort it out.
 their call center is in northern ireland so english speaking(sort of).
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: smudger on February 11, 2012, 07:11:18 pm
Thanks doganjo, but I was trying to browse to no avail whilst I was talking on skype. When trying to repair/find faults, windows said reboot/switch of router as only solution. Strange but true. When I rebooted (and reset) router I did lose Skype.

Smalltime - I had this problem in the past and Plusnet did look at stats and see my line was cutting out intermittently at the time and speeds had got slower and slower. But download speed at moment is fine 2.3mb (just tested it now, so got faster, but could be time of day, usually c 2mb), just kept losing the connection yesterday (other than skype).

Womble - thx, have an up to date master socket (I do remember city life avidly watching countryfile every week; now hardly have anytime to watch TV anymore...). But no, I accept won't have superfast speeds in deep dark Devon, just want something reliable and dependable.

I'm not convinced by the Thompson router (and it is a palaver to interrogate it/ change settings), so if I have to buy a new router (this is already the second one within my 12 mth contract) I might as well try a new ISP. If there is no contract tie in then there is nothing to lose is my thinking. Plusnet seem to have slightly faster speeds for my area but not of any use if can't browse (and I tried both Chrome and IE). Plusnet are actually owned by BT but that doesn't seem to help....

Kept looking at reviews for business broadband and none of them seem to have happy customers. :-\. May look at the O2 dongle as an option.....we do get a brilliant mobile reception at home, so may work.

thx
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Brucklay on February 11, 2012, 07:26:33 pm
I'm a fair distance from the exchange too and only get about 2mb - I use BT and although I wouldn't call my service fantastic at least I can call (as long as I feel patient) and get things up and running again in a few hours - it always is a fault on the line somewhere. I work from home too and all my work is internet based so a connection is critical. My solution is BT but I also have a pay as you go dongle set up so if I loose connection I can pay the basic £2 (I think) for 24hrs connection by dongle in case of emergency - the system has worked so far!!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: mcginty on February 11, 2012, 09:08:10 pm
im with o2 and whilst their not the cheapest the support is BRILLIANT, everytime ive had a problem ive had really good help, even when the problem was with the computer not the line,  theystill helped me sort it out.
 their call center is in northern ireland so english speaking(sort of).
Sort of . :o
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: doganjo on February 11, 2012, 09:44:34 pm
im with o2 and whilst their not the cheapest the support is BRILLIANT, everytime ive had a problem ive had really good help, even when the problem was with the computer not the line,  theystill helped me sort it out.
 their call center is in northern ireland so english speaking(sort of).
Sort of . :o
My son is a manager at the Glasgow call centre, so I get a reduced rate, and fortunately have never had to call them as it's always working.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bazzais on February 13, 2012, 06:02:16 pm
My internet is 1/4 meg the same as the upload speed - I still have to pay BT for the unlimited line as I still go over bandwidth :)

No other company will touch us as we are too far from the exchange for them to bother trying.

Baz
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bazzais on February 13, 2012, 06:08:38 pm
If your exchange isnt unbundled then your always going to be using BT equipment in the exchange and they just rent it off BT at a wholesale price - infact their are hardly any companies that actually dont rent wholesale of BT and use their own equipment in the exchange - so BT is your best choice for broadband as other companies will just call BT after you phone them with a problem.

For faster speeds and a more reliable connection use the first socket in the house where the line comes in and take out any extention phones - also take the front cover off the socket and if there is another socket in there plug your filter into that.

Baz
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on February 13, 2012, 06:51:59 pm
We use BT for everything, not necess cos they are the cheapest (we cant get fast BB anyway so less in it) but because it is satisfying to prevent the buck passing that goes on if you have a problem.

We have found this helps to ensure problems are solved fairly efficiently as you dont waste time in the different links in the chain arguing that its the other bit at fault....
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bazzais on February 14, 2012, 01:47:04 am
I agree - thats why I choose BT.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Small Farmer on February 14, 2012, 03:04:14 am
I can't think of enough swear words to describe my relationship with BT and their god-awful call centres which are always "experiencing an unusual level of call volumes".  For a company whose business is all to do with communication to be quite so bad at it is astonishing.

We moved our line to the cheapest O2 tariff for broadband and calls.  Instantly the speed rose to 2.5mbs and reliability improved - which is a mystery because the hardware is all BT.  But their customer service is ten times better, answers the phone promptly and remembers what it tells you.  It has got more expensive but we never hit any download limits any longer, even when the kids come home.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: jaykay on February 14, 2012, 05:37:07 am
I can't get any service that comes via the phone line as we are too far from the exchange.
So we have a microwave system in the dale that bounces from little aerials on barn to barn, then comes into the house via the house wiring.

It goes off if a bird sits on the aerial, of it snows or rains heavily ( we're talking about somewhere that has the same rainfall as the wettest place in Britain!), if there's a powercut ( about two a week) or if anyone switches theirs off in a fit of pique, as the old farmer next door does on occasion.

And when it does work it's so slow forget downloading anything  :P
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: FiB on February 14, 2012, 09:11:36 am
I wouldnt touch BT with a bargepole.  We have had the most appalling customer service Ive ever experienced for the last year.  If service is your criteria Id avoid them.  We have  0.1 Mb  Internet connection (I'd hesitate to call it broadband) and although we once did have a heady 1.7 MB for a day, there are so many faults on our line (only 1.7 miles from exchange, but emebdded in trees through years of lack of maintanance) that resolution can only be through line renewal.  However as we dont officially have a longstanding problem (the indian callcentre keep closing it after 10 days to make sure there stats look OK) its a struggle to get it escalated to Openreach (the guys who run the lines - completely different, of course, to BT and uncontactable by the general public!!).  So a year on, no broadband.  Still I can at least browse slowly, email etc, even if I cant watch the tantalisingly lovely looking 'video' clips on here.  Rant over!!!

I miss my Virgin Broadband very much!   Always amazing customer service.

If you are in wales you can get a grant towards the installation of satelight based internet if you are in an internet  'not-spot'- but then its £40/month there after which we just cant support at the moment
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on February 14, 2012, 10:10:16 am
Blimey, i can't believe how many people have bothered replying. See post 3. Thats your problem. BT - the worst company in Britain.
You line is overloaded, it was never designed for the internet. It wont get better, its not fixable, it wont make any difference switching ISP, thats how it is. It is not, as you seem to think, a rural problem. It is a countrywide problem because the phone line was not designed for superfast broadband. It will work fine when you are not sharing it, but somewhere along the line (excuse the pun) you will be and at that point the signal breaks down. They are never going to fix the lines because by the time they do we will all be on wireless satelite internet anyway, which is an option now but expensive. Do not even talk to me about BT.

 :wave:
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on February 14, 2012, 10:16:34 am
Incidentally, the best thing you can do is leave the router on permanently so the signal is not broken. BT will then, using its fantastic automatic system, gradually increase the speed on your line. The longer it goes on uninterrupted, the more allowance, or speed, will be assigned to the line. Sooner or later it will overload, cut out and the whole cycle starts again but the best advice is to leave the router on permanently.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Gorse-Lea on February 14, 2012, 10:42:27 am

Don't get me started on BT. I'm another one only with them cos I have to. When I pointed out that I'm paying the same per month as a work colleague who is getting 7-8mb p/s and on a good day I get 3 (better than some of you by the looks of it) I was told that "we don't charge by download speed" so I pointed out the article below and was told tough sh*t.

We're only about 15 miles from "the best high-speed broadband infrastructure of any city or region in the UK and Ireland", but it has absolutley no effect on our speeds so I wonder how big the "region" BT talk about actually is?


Pity BT had the monoply for so long. A bit of serious competition would probably have led to their old lines being upgraded throughout the country.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/technology-gadgets/derry-nets-fastest-broadband-in-uk-16065844.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/technology-gadgets/derry-nets-fastest-broadband-in-uk-16065844.html)
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: deepinthewoods on February 14, 2012, 11:29:50 am
well my o2 contract is up tomorrow, ive found that i could save about £10 monthly by changing isp but having read this thread im staying put, simply because the customer service is so good. thanks guys!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bazzais on February 14, 2012, 12:51:23 pm
If BT didnt have the monopoly and had once been state owned we wouldn't even have telephones in rural areas as it would never have been financially viable.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Small Farmer on February 14, 2012, 03:20:37 pm
well my o2 contract is up tomorrow, ive found that i could save about £10 monthly by changing isp but having read this thread im staying put, simply because the customer service is so good. thanks guys!

Deepinthewoods - Phone O2 and ask for the price to stay another year.

FIB - you need someone to steal the telephone cable!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Small Farmer on February 14, 2012, 03:28:20 pm
If BT didnt have the monopoly and had once been state owned we wouldn't even have telephones in rural areas as it would never have been financially viable.

That's true, but there'd have been a better mobile phone system earlier.  We're stuck with antique infrastructure.

We're 3 miles from BTs fastest offering - actually the fibre runs down the side of our fields - but we might as well be 30.  Bear in mind that with ADSL every connection is shared with other people.  Business users allegedly have fewer users contending for the same circuit than private users.  So available download speeds will fall after school and during the evenings when people start hitting the keys.  However our neighbour who is a business user is having much worse service out of BT than we are though our phone lines come off the same poles.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: jaykay on February 14, 2012, 05:39:00 pm
I'm seriously considering satellite broadband. I've been quoted £500 set up and then a very reliable 2MB. It would be heaven! This is via a friend of a friend, so I don't know with which parent company. He does it as a sideline and did say that satellite broadband has got way better and cheaper recently.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: FiB on February 14, 2012, 05:44:19 pm
well my o2 contract is up tomorrow, ive found that i could save about £10 monthly by changing isp but having read this thread im staying put, simply because the customer service is so good. thanks guys!

Deepinthewoods - Phone O2 and ask for the price to stay another year.

FIB - you need someone to steal the telephone cable!

Yes!!  And I did enjoy thinking about chainsawing the poles!  We'd probably just be without a blimmin phone too then for a year or so.   I AM getting desparate though.  I might threaten to move to O2 - you seem to get UK call centres and someone who might actually do something if you threaten to leave.
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bazzais on February 15, 2012, 12:19:47 am
I used to run a website for my main cash (until farming took over everything and lack of time trashed it into the ground) - I asked BT how much it would be to have a dedicated line put in - it was over £10,000 and that was per year!!  They also said that I would not get any higher speeds than I did now (pretty pointless then!) - There is no point stressing about contention ratios with such a poor speed anyway!

I sent off for information about the free satellite BB for not spots here in Wales - they sent a telephone directory size wad of application forms.  It involved getting three quotes from other companies stating I couldnt get broadband - I couldn't get any quotes because there was nothing to quote on - the BT broadband database says I shouldnt be able to get BB cos of the line length and thats the database that everyone uses.

No wonder they have had such a poor takeup of the free installation - to much paperwork for me.

todays figures are:-
Downstream   416 Kbps
Upstream   448 Kbps

Luckily we had a lightning strike on the old lines so alot was reknewed up the hill.

The stupid thing is that I have two telephone lines in the house as I thought we were going to have to stay on dail-up - I cant see why in rural areas they cant piggyback the lines that are unused to get a better signal strengths?  I could get twice my speed but it would mean having a whole new broadband package and cost twice as much.

What ever happened to the trials of sending broadband down the electric cables? Surely they could be utilised?

Not enough is being done to increase broadband speeds for rural users IMO - or at least price packages on bandwidth rather than downloads.  As far as I am concerned my broadband price should be a fraction of what I am charged as I cant get the speeds that others get paying the same.

Baz
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: jaykay on February 15, 2012, 07:48:14 am
And I keep hearing Government folk talking about upgrading everyone to superfast broadband - I'd like them to concentrate on getting rural areas reliable 2MB first!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: bloomer on February 15, 2012, 07:54:36 am
its not just rural areas

well i can see hills and farms but its a bloody big estate so id struggle to describe it as rural. The houses are 6years old.

Broadband being fitted tomorrow at last, predicted speed .5-1.5MB i will wait and see what the final result is!!!

Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on February 15, 2012, 08:38:19 am
It is also to do with the lack of any work done on the exchanges. Type 'telephone exchange upgrade' into google if you want to know more. You may qualify for ADSL2+ in your area, which is a more stable, faster connection.

Oh, but hang on...no, no it isn't. See below:


3. Will it benefit me? (Oh the irony)

 ADSL2+ still works very much the same way as ADSL, so your speeds will still depend on many factors such as:

 • The distance from your home to your local telephone exchange (see point 5).
• Quality of the copper phone line.
• Quality of cabling and equipment.
• Demand at peak/off-peak times (traffic).
• Bad weather or EMI (Electromagnetic Interference)

Due to there being so many different possible influences on your connection and speeds, we cannot guarantee that everyone will benefit from BT's rollout scheme of ASDL2+ (21CN). It is possible that you experience no changes at all, although the vast majority of people will at least receive a more stable connection, if not an increase in download speeds.

http://freeola.com/adsl2-21cn-rollout/ (http://freeola.com/adsl2-21cn-rollout/)

In other words, no of course it won't help you because its just the same overloaded bit of copper wire with an upgraded extension at the end of it.
People still seem to think that an alternative provider to BT will give them a better service. Well its the same bit of copper wire, owned by BT, whatever you pay and to whoever - unless you are on wireless internet. Therefore paying more a different provider won't help you.
Also a random snapshot of your current upload/download speed is about as much use a chocolate teapot. Utterly meaningless I am afraid. You will know if you have a bad line, my internet cut out about five times yesterday and thats pretty standard, although I am on it all day. That is the sort of connection problem I am referring too, an ongoing source of maddening frustration.
It makes absolutely no difference where you live, its all about how far you are from the exchange. People presume the distance makes the signal weaker, well marginally but really its more about the amount of people who are using the same line as you, the further you are away from the exchange, the more people will be using the line. That is really the problem but there is no chance of that getting rectified as it costs money.
The whole firm has been appallingly badly run for years. Completely unjustified pay packets at the top, poorly paid and badly trained staff and a mountain of pension liabilities which take the lions share of any profits each year. So, just another British firm really.  :wave: 
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Avonline Broadband on February 21, 2012, 08:58:19 am
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We can provide a real 10Mbps service ANYWHERE.

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Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: lachlanandmarcus on February 21, 2012, 09:56:38 am
well my o2 contract is up tomorrow, ive found that i could save about £10 monthly by changing isp but having read this thread im staying put, simply because the customer service is so good. thanks guys!

Deepinthewoods - Phone O2 and ask for the price to stay another year.

FIB - you need someone to steal the telephone cable!

Or as happened accidentally here recently, farmer neighbour goes straight through cable when digging out ditch, cable was meant to be not there acc to BT so they had to take the can for it, they found 6 other repaired breaks within 500 metre stretch so replaced the whole stretch and now it doesnt wiggle in its route and we know where it is (still on ground tho...but this time it is at least armoured cable, which it wasnt before...:-O)
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: The Chicken Lady on February 23, 2012, 09:14:41 am
So has anyone got sat.bb. I am with bt and now am at the end of the road with them. It worked fine - slow but we accepted that where we lived it was the best we could hope for. Now the signal keeps dropping, sometimes for days at a time. This has been ongoing since 24th December. There was a fault on the line which they fixed but it goes off everytime the weather is bad. We have an engineer coming today but of course it is working! The last one that came said that there was nothing he could do. What I don't get is why it was OK before. So this is their last chance. I am looking at satallite broadband. Has anyone any experience with it?




Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: northfifeduckling on February 23, 2012, 09:30:17 am
We use BT for everything, not necess cos they are the cheapest (we cant get fast BB anyway so less in it) but because it is satisfying to prevent the buck passing that goes on if you have a problem.

We have found this helps to ensure problems are solved fairly efficiently as you dont waste time in the different links in the chain arguing that its the other bit at fault....

This is why so far we've been stubbornly sticking with BT - but negotiating a better price each year. We are the last few houses on the exchange so I can always tell when everyone else is on. A big issue seems to be that the village above us is using BT Vision for their TV as they can't get SKY or Freeview. So when everyone is watching our on-line goes alsmost dead. Our line is supposedly doing "up to" 8 but the best we ever got was 1.8 MB :&>
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: smudger on February 24, 2012, 01:02:22 pm
Thanks for responses. Seems consensus is moving to another ISP won't essentially make things better.

I Just wanted to reiterate Chickenlady's question - has anyone used satellite broadband?  (I've looked onto mobile broadband and we don't get coverage from any operator so not an option for us unfortunately).

There seems to be very few players  (Tooway is sold by different companies, but essentially the same service). It seems the Welsh government were given grants to those who couldn't get normal broadband, just wondering if anyone in wales could report back, either first or second hand?  satellite contracts tend to be 2 years and significant upfront cost for equipment, so want to be sure before we take the plunge.

Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on March 01, 2012, 10:07:23 am
Now we have moved we have looked into it again. Plusnet do a guaranteed speed, fixed speed, for a slight premium which is primarily used for internet gaming apparently. It is a rolling contract so we are going to try that and see if it solves the problem of dropping out and very slow speed (its meant too). Will let you know how it goes. If I can play my PS3 online with it then it will be good enough for most of your needs I should think. We have been given a terribly slow speed from all sorts of providers for this address, averaging about 1.5mb/s, so this is the only solution we have been offered that seems like it might work if they can do it on an SSL or tunnel route connection (or something similar).
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: FiB on March 01, 2012, 10:12:49 am
Yes Smudger - my neighbour has had the satelite install (up to £1000 grant for installation - google welsh assembly 'notspot') and is very satisfied - they arent too bothered about the monthley fee (was £40 when I looked into it a few months ago) as its for business use so tax deductable.  I think they get speeds of around 10MB, which compared to my 0.1Mb is lightning.  I just want 1Mb so I can get i player.  BT still ignoring me.  1 year on....
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 01, 2012, 10:13:35 am
I didn't know that any provider can guarantee a speed? How would they control the quality of your line, how many other people are on on your exchange at any given time? Especially as they depend on BT to provide the line? I really hope this will work for you and I don't mean to be a spoilsport by expressing my doubts... :&>
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: Smalltime on March 01, 2012, 10:17:56 am
No dont worry, I have posted on this thread before and am very cynical for similar reasons. However, you can do tunnel routes through the net if you know how (I dont) so it seems possible in theory. We shall see!
Title: Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 01, 2012, 10:20:58 am
Good luck! Keep us posted  :wave: :&>