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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Rhyan & Melissa on March 19, 2009, 06:55:43 am
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Just saw this on the BBC website.
** Global crisis 'to strike by 2030' **
The world's growing population will create a;perfect stor; of food, energy and water shortages, the UK's chief science adviser says.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7951838.stm >
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Then the pope tells the Africans that condoms are of no use in avoiding aids. One way or other it all balances out, sadly its the poorest as usual who suffer.
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Apparently (according to my mum) Nostradamus predicted all of this centuaries ago.
He reckoned there would be a time when money had no value - I think we're getting close to that one.
I don't know much about the man or his prophecies, but wonder if anyone else does and what they think ?
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Apparently (according to my mum) Nostradamus predicted all of this centuaries ago.
He reckoned there would be a time when money had no value - I think we're getting close to that one.
I don't know much about the man or his prophecies, but wonder if anyone else does and what they think ?
I don't believe your mum is that old! ;D
I do believe, however, that the world will face a global crisis in the near future, and that it has already started.
The future will demand that many issues are addressed on a local scale, and that a return to simplistic living will be necessary to ensure the survival of some of the human race. There will have to be a return to home grown food as there will not be the wherewithall to import foods to the same extent as today.
Third world countries will be severely affected, with many millions of people dying as a result of global shortages of fuel, food, and the means to move stuff around the world.
The world of the future will be a very dangerous place to live owing to shortages of food and fuel causing civil unrest, particularly in the cities, and a breakdown of society as need cancels out any vestige of common decency and respect. People will be driven by need rather than greed, and that will cause many more problems than we have ever known.
Those members of society who are despised today for their hunting instincts and abilities, will be revered and appreciated once again as individuals who can help feed localised communties, as will those who have tended their little plots of soil for so many generations, growing enough to feed a few here and there. So many natural abilities have become forgotten or lost as the new world destroyed the old and its indigenous peoples, and their knowledge.
Those who have lost (or never had) such instincts/abilities will be the most dangerous people on the planet, as everyday necessary items of food and equipment become scarce.
The 'modern' countries of the world will face the worst kind of future as it is here that the populations have become so diverse that any common bond of culture is non existent, and communities lack the means of meaningful and prosperous cohesion.
Add to this the problems of apathy, drugs, greed, brutality, money (or lack of it), disease, war, global environmental change, and the general arrogance of the human race....................
Nostradamus probably did predict this many years ago, and he may, at that time, have been the only one who believed it. Now it seems inevitable.
Anyone with any sense can surely see that we are the victims of our own success as a species, and that we are, as a species, reacting in the only way we can to an environment which has been ruined by overpopulation and poisoning.............we are evolving in a downward trend.
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Its scary and downright depressing.
I am frowned upon because I go shooting, collect wild food and want to be self sufficent. We know how to cook, bake, preserve, make and mend - but we are considered sad. I think the sad ones are those who cannot survive without Findus or a microwave.
My neighbour (50 year old lady) told me yesterday "You know you can buy eggs in the shops these days, its not the pissing war you know. Why on earth do you want chickens? Your bloody mad going to that allotment in all weathers - go to Aldi, its only down the road. What do you want a smallholding for? oh my God, I live next to Tom and Barbera" - kill me now..............
Are we really heading into a Mad Max syndrome of apathy, violence, desperation and hunger? You, me and everyone else with half a brain understands that things can be done to ease the situation. Its those in power who do not.
Right, I'm off to fit gun turrets to the chicken coops..............
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well, heres some of my random and ill thought out musings on it all
Oil - it's all gonna run out one day!! the 1st war for oil came on the back of the 1st world war the Turks and Germans fought the british for control of Kuwait and iraq and the UAE.
the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and soon to be Iran is all being "fuelled" to ensure western companies/governments/economies have access to this oil. Of course, it brings in super profits, taxes, employment to western companies too - either directly or indirectly - which allows the government to fund more arms/weapons/influence over the world bank so that they can force countries with oil to "see sense" and ensure the US and UK have access to it.
but eventually, the americans will not be willing to share with the UK/EU. And we'll be cut out soon enough - and then there is China and Russia hungry for the stuff too.
Eventually, all the daft wee countries will be taken over to secure the oil, then it'll be left to the big boys to fight it out. So we could well see a 1984 type planet with 3 superstates - usually in a constant state of war/alliance in order to secure more natural resource.be it oil, gas, metals, wood, fish, farmland etc)
Of course, much of the technology exists to start moving us away from the dependency on limited resources, but the political will is not yet there yet - that's simply driven by greed and short termism.
On the plus side, once things run out, a lot of people will die - war, lack of medicine, lack of food, escalating crime
but once there has been the complete breakdown of law and order, once the resources are gone, then folk will have to go back to growing their own and starting all over again. this time, they'll have to start with sustainable energy sources as there are no fossil fuels. Everything will have to come from recycled materials as the mines are empty.
so, on a global scale, things will settle down. Ok, lot of pain and hardship to go through in between times - and lets not pretend the fact some of us have chickens, pigs and cows and grow our own veg and can survive on our own will be unaffected - we won't be, we'll be robbed, shot, invaded - whatever. but eventually, the people who survive it all will have to start from scratch.
MAybe, and i'm not too confident on this one either - they will learn from the past and not repeat our mistakes of capitalism and greed.
if they don't - the cycle will repeat, we'll get there in the end - unless some twat actually drops teh bomb on us all.
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are smallholders secretly wishing a crisis, so they can smuggly say " I told you I wasn't crazy". Do we need an excuse to grow too much stuff and preserve it in jars, just in case?. Rustyme will be posting plans for us all to build our own air raid shelter, complete with recycling system to turn our effluent into water and fuel. sounds like fun, when can I start. ;D
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yeeeeeessss cheers Carl ... ::) ;D. I thought when I saw the title of this topic , that looks like it should be one of mine.... ;) ::), Rhyan + Melissa beat me to it ..... I did see this today though ....
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090319/tsc-recycled-sewage-struggles-with-yuk-f-b1f5339.html
funny how things pop up at the same time ??? As for plans on underground shelters mmmm , not sure I want to live underground really ... we all end up there for a long time anyway , no point in adding to the time . It is a bit of a bugger though if it all hits the fan in 2030 ....I will be well into my 70's then ( if I make it that far ???) way to old to do anything about it ( nearly at that stage now !!!) . I do, however, think it will hit the fan much sooner than that . I just hope fuel runs out before food . Then most of the a*seholes in the towns and cities will peg it before they can get to my lovely veggies.... :yum: . Reason being they will just sit there waiting to be fed once the fuel has gone , then once the food goes they would have to walk to get at my goodies... Not many would reach me !!!! I am a good shot with the bow and arrow too.... :o Riots and general civil unrest have already been going on over the last couple of years . All it needs is a couple of things to happen together and it will al go t*ts up . .... Now where are those underground shelter plans ??? eh .. oh sod it .. more digging ..... ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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A little smallholder optimism required now methinks.
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well it didn't rain today , and it may not tomorrow????? how's that ...? ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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Lalalala. I'm not listening
Let's just do what we can and not get suicidal about things we can't change.
Anyway, I'm being made redundant and will finish work on 3rd July, I think.
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Oh, I forgot. Yippeeeeeeeee
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the one i like---MAN MEANS WELL BUT CANNOT HELP HIS GREED, so where does it go from here, reminds me of the old survivor series, think it was explained well in the matrix film, mankind is like a virus spreading fast using up all natural resources then moving on............only one thing to do......put the kettle on
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Lalalala. I'm not listening
Let's just do what we can and not get suicidal about things we can't change.
Anyway, I'm being made redundant and will finish work on 3rd July, I think.
I'm not listening either. I suppose I'm just the typical eternal optimist, but my answer to John when he phoned and told me he'd been made redundant was "Wonderful, darling, now you can do anything you want to do" His reply was that he didn't expect that reaction and that his first wife would have had him straight offshore on another job. I didn't want him out there in the cold north Sea - I wanted him here. So, Rosemary - opportunity knocks! Congratulations on being made redundant, and yah sucks to the determined depressants who think the world is about to end - "Not on my Watch" as they say!
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I have the old Survivors series on dvd ( I can hear some saying "he would wouldn't he" !!! ::)) and was watching one of the episodes tonight.....( thought I had better prepare for armageddon !!! :o ::) :D) , I still like the series but I do throw a wobbly ,when they walk over to get another car (some 4 or 5 months after the 'plague' ) and they just turn a key ??? where did the key come from ?? and it starts !!!! oh well ..if armageddon is like that , what am I worrying about ?
cheers
Determined depressant er I mean Russ ::) ;D
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I'm gonna go live on the moon me. See its made outa cheese so I'll get all my calcium n stuff...just hope I don't develop a lactose intolerance as that could stuff up my cunning plan! :yum:
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I think we may have missed one vital piece of the thing...............many millions of people are going to have to die to give those left a chance of survival. The over-population of the world by Homo sapiens is the greatest problem we have.
As for films...........I think it may be more like the night of the living dead........or the night of the half-living, drug-deprived, bewidered, clueless, starving and desperate. Once they've driven their cars as far as they can, eaten their bull type terriers/friends/relatives, shot up their last needlefull and finished vomiting, they'll come for us. :yum:
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glad i don't watch them films, or read too much. I prefer making, growing and breeding stuff.
I suppose spit roasted chav tastes much like roast pork. :yum:
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Oh, just stop it! Go back into your caves! I am a very happy person and I don't want to be made depressed. Did I tell you I'm also an ostrich. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I can't ... far to busy digging and making a shelter ;D ;D.......How do you stop the sand getting up your nose and in your ears ????? ::) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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sneeze ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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oh god .... are you sure you don't have bird flu ???????? ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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lol your all so funny
TAS member for the government New Cabinet lol
now who to be Prime Ministers?
On the new survius series i thought i very conviniaten that the big house has a big cellar
an i would have turned that big lawn in to 6 million tiny veg plots lol