The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Camelids => Topic started by: Sylvia on December 28, 2011, 01:03:17 pm
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I've just read an ad. for alpaca wethers which states that no paperwork is needed for them. Is this so? ???
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I have a llama ....and when I got him, there wa no movement forms to fill in, he has no ear tag or anything, so assume alpacas are under the same ruling. I did tell DEFRA I had him, because of us being in a TB area, but they did say I was not under any obligation to declare having a camelid. Seems odd, that they can be moved with no restrictions, but there it is!!
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I wonder why? :-\ Does anyone know?
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Suspect it may mean no BAS (British Alpaca Society) paperwork?? Certainly in Scotland you do not have to notify any authority regarding alpaca movements.... that said it is also my understanding that DEFRA are looking to change this, this year!
I hope this helps
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No, apparently you don't even need a CPH number according to the advertisers!
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I don't get it. Camelids can get and presumeably carry TB, what the £>$k are these bureaucrats on?
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I don't get it. Camelids can get and presumeably carry TB, what the £>$k are these bureaucrats on?
Again.... from what I understand alpacas (cannot comment on all camelids) currently do not have a test that is 100% accurate. In the past animals tested and thought to be carriers were put down and during post mortom found to be TB free. Similarly, alpacas tested and found clear have been tested further (due to other illness / accident) and during PM found to be carriers. I know the BAS is working very hard with other organisations to develop a reliable and accurate test.
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The cattle test isnt 100% accurate either but it's still compulsory....
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Whether or not they can be reliably tested for TB, if they can be moved around the country with no paperwork at all... Well, I'm just speechless, really. :o
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Camelids are classed as "zoo" animals, not livestock, because we do not eat them. So you can move them around the country as you please, also owners do not have to consent to a TB test, nor will they be slaughtered, as far as I know....
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Does seem odd that they require no paperwork. I assume Camelids can be infected/carry Foot and Mouth disease just like any other cloven-hoofed animal ?
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Not sure of F&M but some of them def have TB! I wouldnt buy one if it hasnt been tested.
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I've been told that there is no reliable test for TB for - oh, um, was it just alpacas? Someone will know.. :D
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I know several people who have had TB in their alpacas and several people who have had to have them put down because of it or they have died from an unknown illness ::) I personally think it totally irresponsible that these animals can be moved around like pet cats and can therefore infect badgers and cattle in clean areas. It is shameful as it is potentially affecting livelihoods nevermind animal welfare..... :o >:(
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We had a TB outbreak on our farm a few years back, resulting in cows being slaughtered. I spoke with a DEFRA vet. regardng my goats, and told them about the llama. They advised me to pasteurise the goats milk, but said they were not going to test either my goats or the llama - although neighbouring farms cows etc. were all tested at the time. My own vet has atually said that should the ministry require my llama to be TB tested they can come and do it themselves, as he will not be doing a llama :)
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If it's classed a zoo animal then surely you need a zoo license?
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Following this thread I was wondering about this situation.... 6/7 years ago, back in the UK, our local petting farm had to be reclassified because it had 'zoo' animals on display. (it ended up by closing the 'reptile' house, to the public as the alternative was too much paperwork. And it got rid of its rhea and alpacas!
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Does seem odd that they require no paperwork. I assume Camelids can be infected/carry Foot and Mouth disease just like any other cloven-hoofed animal ?
Just to be clear - llamas and alpacas are not cloven hoofed - they have soft pads and two toes!
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My understanding is that DEFRA do require notification that a smallholding has llamas or alpacas, but there is no requirement to fill in a license form when they are moved, BUT... if there is a general restriction on the movement of livestock due to foot & mouth , blue tongue or other, then llamas & alpacas are included in this restriction and must not be moved!
As regards to TB - the cattle test is not suitable for camelids full stop - there is currently no other test available though the BAS & BLS are contributing through its members for a suitable test to be found. TB remains a notifiable disease in camelids and if a suspected herd has TB then they may be isolated & destroyed!
Movement & transfer of camelids is a voluntary but recommended course of action & whilst DEFRA doesn't want to know, the appropriate organisations do & you should register your animals!
It is something that is taken very seriously by all registered owners & any unregistered owners should be encouraged to join the relevant organisation to keep up to date with what should & should not be done!
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Does seem odd that they require no paperwork. I assume Camelids can be infected/carry Foot and Mouth disease just like any other cloven-hoofed animal ?
Just to be clear - llamas and alpacas are not cloven hoofed - they have soft pads and two toes!
Not really what I was asking. I was interested as to if they were affected/could carry F&M like cloven hoofed livestock. Horses (single hoof, no toes), are not affected by F&M, so wondered about Camelids. I found my answer on DEFRA's website (see screen shot below), and yes it appears Camelids are affected by F&M.
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Sorry BadgerFace - misunderstood your statement & yes, if F&M around camelids are caught by the restrictions as they can carry it!