The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: GinaandTiny on September 06, 2011, 10:08:59 am
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Hi, I have a one and half year old micro pig, she lives in a paddock outside next to our house and now it seems autumn is here I'm wondering if anyone could tell me where I could get her a coat/rug from? I've searched and can't find anyone who makes micro pig rugs...surely there's someone? She has horse bedding and lots of straw in her ark which also has a door and can adjust windows but she hates the rain and gets chilly, tried a dof coat but wrong shape for her. Can anyone help?
G
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The best thing would be a friend to snuggle up to as pigs are very companionable and shouldn't really be kept on their own. To keep her warm ensure she has a sacking or another suitable breathable material door which you can drop at night to keep the draughts out of her house, she needs some air flow to prevent pneumonia. Would also suggest a large dog coat perhaps, you might have to extend the ties, generally we find our ordinary pigs hate being covered and would eat any rug or cover put over them, she should develop a winter coat of her own which will help her keep warm. I don't know anyone who would make a coat you could try yourself using a beach towel or old large quilted shirt (we've done this for greyhoumds before). Micro pigs aren't generally kept by smallholders as they're non productive.
HTh
Mandy :pig:
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The pig shouldn't be cold with appropriate shelter and bedding as Fowgill Farm say. This is the side issue tho (as they also point out!) - This pig should have piggie company, it is cruel to keep a single pig by itself.
RSPCA animal welfare code. (highlighted no 4).
1. Freedom from Hunger and Thirst - by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigour.
2. Freedom from Discomfort - by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.
3. Freedom from Pain, Injury or Disease - by prevention or rapid diagnosis and treatment.
4. Freedom to Express Normal Behaviour - by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animal's own kind.
5. Freedom from Fear and Distress - by ensuring conditions and treatment which avoid mental suffering.
Please please get her some company of another pig. She will probably be warmer and she will certainly have a better and more species appropriate life.
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Pre-heated oven at gas mark 5 ought to do it :D
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LMFAO ;)
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Perhaps you could get a couple of Kune-Kune to cuddle with her and keep her warm and provide much-needed piggy company. They are the easiest of pigs to keep and will make you smile every day. :)
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hm, I appreciate a micro pig is a non profit and so not a small holders general stock item, I do have a small holding though hence being on the site, hoping to find helpful people to discuss things with. I do not appreciate being preached to about RSPCA welfare code I find it offensive to even suggest this as you have no idea what my situation is lachlanandmarcus. I appreciate everyone elses comments trying to help but the other users comments have put me off ever using this site again.
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it is a good job i never posted a comment about your small pig you would realy have been upset :o :farmer:
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Lol Robert :) Fad pets sadly ........ i'm new and even i knew that pigs are social animals. Look Gina i'm new to pig keeping and i asked advice. Sadly "micro" pigs are runts that are bred and most of them have health issues and genetic flaws. I'm not perfect and i've had my knuckles wrapped on here (and so i should) everybody learns by their own mistakes. S**t happens get up dust yourself off and deal with it.
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I do not appreciate being preached to about RSPCA welfare code I find it offensive to even suggest this. .
Well, whether you find it offensive or not, that's how it is. Pigs are herd animals and you are being irresponsible in subjecting one to living on its own. It sounds like the best thing you could do is give this lone pig to someone else who will take better care of it. Pigs don't need coats - just company.
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Im quite offended :o that someone should think that posting the welfare code should be deemed offensive to them ::)....I thought since OP was keeping a social herd animal by itself they were maybe not aware of the code's content. It isn't personal preaching, it's the minimum basic requirements in this country for keeping animals appropriately.
I wont say anymore.... :)
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I have a feeling( she whispers) that some folk only post on forums to pick an argument. I MAY BE WRONG!! :-\ :-\
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Well, nice to know somebody else can do the upsetting ;D
They have closed their account and gone. Strange folk.
I thought all the responses were fine. I almost wish Robert had got on earlier ;D
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so deep down you like me just image if you could put that debate we had with the director of the rhs on here ;) :farmer: ;)
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Whilst I agree there was nothing wrong with what anyone said... I have been thinking about this and do think it is a shame that we weren't able to find a more constructive way to handle this couple and their pig.
From their point of view it must've looked a bit like this:
Oh, our pet pig is cold, where can we get some advice? This Accidental Smallholder forum looks like it's full of knowledgeable friendly people, let's ask them.
Whereupon they are inundated with posts telling them their pig is an unhealthy runt and should be cooked, and they are cruel and shouldn't be keeping the pig. (Remember I'm telling this as I think it would have looked from their point of view - humans are really quite sensitive to criticism, I find. One critical post will weigh more than two or three constructive ones.)
I'm not surprised they left. Whilst perhaps we don't want to find ourselves in a community of pet micro pig owners, I do think we're more likely to educate more and change more minds with constructive inclusiveness than overt criticism. I thought Mandy's post hit exactly the right note.
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people come on asking for advice and just because it is not what they want to hear they take the hump
anyone can keep animals in the UK without any prior knowledge or understanding that is not our fault
fact there is no such thing as a micro pig this is marketing urine for overinflated prices being charged for a designer pig
fact they are bred from the runts of the litter
fact they are bred from traditional pigs that can go to 300kilos
fact they are social animals that need each others company
fact if there pet pig is cold they are not providing for it as they should
what is wrong with any of the above why write war and peace just to dress something up to appease the delicate feelings of some how will they cope with real decisions possibly people from a farming background should be barred from this site and leave it to the Gina and Tony's of this world to muddle there way through livestock keeping either to feed the nation or just for pets :farmer:
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I think the fact that they found Defra's animal welfare guidelines being stated politely (really just to underline that I wasnt just spouting a personal opinion but that they have a welfare responsibility) as 'offensive', would indicate that however nicely it was worded they were not interested in anyone trying to tell them that the answer to a cold pig is not knitting it a jumper :-O but allowing it to live as a pig, which means with the company of other pigs.
And I'd rather that we were the ones to try to drum that home, rather than the RSPCA inspector or the vet who has to put piggie down in the future.
This is about basic right/wrong welfare of a sentient animal and personally I dont think they necessarily left because of the way they were advised that they needed to do things differently. I just dont think they liked anyone telling them to do anything differently. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry they were upset, but would say exactly the same thing next time.
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Personally, I would be gutted that I was doing it wrong if I were them and would get another pig asap and thank everyone for the info.
The welfare of the animal is paramount. People SHOULD research each animals needs prior to taking them on.
Ian
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This is about basic right/wrong welfare of a sentient animal and personally I dont think they necessarily left because of the way they were advised that they needed to do things differently. I just dont think they liked anyone telling them to do anything differently. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry they were upset, but would say exactly the same thing next time.
I agree completely; one the central purposes of the forum is good advice given in good faith in a spirit of helping.
That's exactly what you did here, what happens after that is up to the people who sought advice.
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Liking all the replies guys...
and I would agree with most..
you learn by your mistakes and how people take tham is up to them
HOWEVER there are some pretty Bitchy posts made and we have lost great members.. ie Bamford 6 because people sometimes do not realise that even tho its typed it hurts and upsets just as much. Not intended indeed and some of us are a wee bit tougher than others..
Ah Rant over for Sunday morning... :wave:
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it would not matter what contents are replied, some folk do take the hump and TBH, is there really any nice way to tell someone that they are doing things wrong. yes we do all learn by our mistakes but should not spit oot the dummy when they are miffed to read the truth about the question that they have asked :farmer: :farmer:
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Well, there are nicer and less nice ways to give criticism. I was always taught to say something nice, then the criticism, then another nice thing. That shows the recipient that you don't think they are all bad.
Plus, in this instance, while I accept that it was necessary to tell these owners that pigs are herd animals and shouldn't be kept on their own, I do not think it is necessary nor acceptable to tell them that their beloved pet and all creatures like it are the spawn of the Devil and should be dispatched forthwith! That's just plain rude.
I am glad we are all different, it makes this a very interesting and stimulating place to be!
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Like the others have quoted company is essential for pigs as they are social animals so a companion is best as they do all snuggle up together, also when the weather gets really cold perhaps a heat lamp for them to snuggle under worth thinking about.