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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Sandy on September 02, 2011, 08:49:00 am
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I just had to discuss this with outhers, just heard on the TV that some places have a chip in thier bins to weigh how much un recycled stuff is in there and then they get a bill...now how stupid is that? All that will happen is people will either fly tip or drop rubbish in others bins!!!!!!!
I went for a walk to the forest and was disgusted by the amount of fly tippping (all gone now) and could not see a valid reason why people do it, that is unless its trade waste...so....if this silly thing comes in there WILL be a reason...
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Powys CC have been recording the amount of recycling you do for a few years now , wheely bins and glass and tincan bins have a microchip that gets scanned when emptied , if your glass and can bins don't show up frequently you can be fined. So an early morning trip swapping your neighbour's bins over is always good for a laugh. Only the computer can identify who's is what.....
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Ha - only certain parts of Powys Tizz!!!
We just have a basic rubbish collection in black bags here. No ID. No wheelie bins.
We have a bank of IKEA slope fronted storage bins in the kitchen for different things which we load into the care and take down to the recycling periodically.
I like going to the recycling as we alway seem to pick up something else there. Seems to be a good place for demi-johns!!
Mind you - we don't have sewage, water or gas here either. No wonder we're band E rates!
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I just had to discuss this with outhers, just heard on the TV that some places have a chip in thier bins to weigh how much un recycled stuff is in there and then they get a bill...now how stupid is that? All that will happen is people will either fly tip or drop rubbish in others bins!!!!!!!
I went for a walk to the forest and was disgusted by the amount of fly tippping (all gone now) and could not see a valid reason why people do it, that is unless its trade waste...so....if this silly thing comes in there WILL be a reason...
It does seem obvious doesn't it - to us anyway ::) And of course so much fly tipping takes place with trade waste because they have to pay to dispose of everything, which can be a big expense - so fly tipping becomes an attractive option.
I have never understood though why non-trade people will go to such lengths to take their rubbish, especially mattresses, out to a rural beauty spot to dump it when they could get it uplifted from outside their home, either free or for a small charge, probably less than the fuel costs to reach the beauty spot. ???
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Probably only mattresses that have the ' map of Australia ' in yellow that they dont like to take to the tip...nice.
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In Shetland we have community 'skips'. They are worked on a rota system throughout the isles and they are for household waste that wont go in bin bags. You can put personal DIY rubbish in them but trade waste goes to the dump and disposal paid for. They do keep the place tidy but no dead sheep or boat flares allowed :) . So we dont get fly tipping.
Personally anything to make people aware of what they put to waste is a good thing . People rely too much on ready made prepackaged rubbish nowadays which can go to an argument on supermarkets and shopping habbits. Perhaps if folk go back to small shops where the packaging consisit of a brown paper bag there would not be the plastic and polystyrene etc rubbish to put in bins. It is a case of I can buy the rubbish but expect to get rid of it for free, passing the buck, out of sight out of mind,not my problem etc etc. It seems to me that most councils do what they can to get rid of waste the best way that they can in their area, if it costs then it costs simple. One day when all these ways have been tried out throughout the country a good solution will be found but they are only cleaning up after US when all said and done.
Rubbish disposal is a huge problem from domestic to fly tippers, it is good that it is kept in the public eye about costs and different methods.I think I saw someting about chipped bins on telly, dont they do it in Europe somewhere and it works. The bins are lockable so no one else can use them , if it was the same system that you are talking about Sandy that is.
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Lockable bins, I have double the amount of bins so I will end up like a jailer as I have a few locked doors in the house already!!
I think a good idea is the community skip for big stuff, when we did not have a car, rubbish was hard to get rid of and with animals it can be smelly!!! Still cannot think how better to do it as rewarding emptier bins will encourage fly tipping too....I think back to the days of one small bin, that would often not be full even with a family of 5....I suppose we get a lot of packaging due to health and safety (food not being contaminated) and to save the products being spoiled in transit on on the shelf......I Leicester we shopped at the local market, cannot beat Leicester market....that way you get very little packaging and all you need is your own bags and you get only bags for meat and fish with veg going into your own bag. I bet all the packaging we get now makes the product much much more expensive..,...who wants food like grapes in a shrunk wrapped container anyway?
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I don't really understand why people flytip washing machines, etc....there's always freecycle and it's amazing for what other people have use for! A guy came round and picked up washing machines, old radiators, etc. and paid us for them ;D I watched this program on cowboy buolders tipping their building waste at night, not surprised at that...
Here we still have a household rubbish bin (which is 3/4 empty each week) and a paper bin. Nearly all other households in Fife now have 4 bins: household, compost, paper, bottles and cans I think , their household bin is half the size and gets emptied fortnightly. I would be grateful for a compost bin but in the country we'll be last to get anything changed...I have heard that businesses like pubs are not allowed to recycle their cards and cans in the public bins - they HAVE to use the business waste bin - anyone can explain that to me? :&>
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I have heard that businesses like pubs are not allowed to recycle their cards and cans in the public bins - they HAVE to use the business waste bin - anyone can explain that to me? :&>
I can guess. At the moment, it is not really economical to handle the recycling materials. There are a number of reasons for that, but until we are all trained to recycle everything correctly and the systems are in place to handle all the different types and grades of recyclable materials, it costs councils quite a bit of money to handle the contents of the recycling bins. So, as the education issue is more for the consumer / private individual than for businesses (you can get businesses to do anything when you are ready, using a combination of legislation, carrots and sticks), it makes more sense for councils to put their efforts into getting residential users to recycle.
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i have had 2 people fly tip on my land sorry make that 3 had someone dumped stuff again in between us feeding hens pigs and going home to return later found gravel and railway sleepers dumped the first 2 people the enviromental people at clacks council know who it is and won't charge them or tell me so i can get them charged they have witnesses and fotos sepa are investigating the outcome i have to dispose of it like u guys i don't understand flytipper i clean the land around fed up with plastic bottles cans and bottles and i do it the proper way makes me very angry we have beautiful country walks and what do u see junk bottles cans fed up with our collie reappearing with a cider bottle in her mouth we should be proud of our country >:(
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I totaly agree, my pet hate has always been people dropping litter, I said in another post, we sat outside McDonalds and watched a middle aged couple open thier car window and drop thier rubbish out when they were next to a bin!! yet a car full of young lads got out and disposed of thier stuff in the bin as you should.
I hate to see stuff discarded in the countryside, I take anything I have home, last week on our walk in Devilla, Ben found used baby nappy,luckily he had only got to the finding stage and not the eating one!!! I know some one also dumped asbestos in Devilla forest too, thats a nasty crime and all about £ as you have to pay to get that taken.
THe dog we used to have Bruce, often came back smelling of booze as he loved finding plastic drink bottles and finnishing them off!! Wouldn't it be great to catch the fly tippers or just rubbish droppers and dump it all back in their garden or outside their front door!!
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Here we still have a household rubbish bin (which is 3/4 empty each week) and a paper bin. Nearly all other households in Fife now have 4 bins: household, compost, paper, bottles and cans I think , their household bin is half the size and gets emptied fortnightly. I would be grateful for a compost bin but in the country we'll be last to get anything changed...
I have 4 bins but shouldn't have had them ::)
All the bumph came through about the new bin system, inviting me to call a number if I didn't already have a brown bin or if a green bin didn't come by a certain date - I duly called as I have blue and black..
A week later a transit delivered a brown bin. A month after that a green bin arrived and eventually another delivery :o brought a wee kitchen caddy (brown) for cooked food and the instructions telling me dates of rounds, now a Friday rather than a Thursday ::) what to put in each bin and for some reason to swap black and blue bins over so paper in black and landfill in blue.. WHY???
OK, in the interest of recycling, I did all the above, started putting bins out in the strange sequence (colour coding where they have a brown and an orange week which are so similar you need a magnifying glass!). Only to get a lecture from the lorry driver who does our round on a Thursday because I've put rubbish in my paper bin and shouldn't even have brown and green bins because I'm not in the village (100 yards away) and therefore count as "rural" which means I don't get the new system tho I pay the same council tax ::)
So now I have to put out a black rubbish bin on a Thursday weekly, a blue paper bin monthly on a Wednesday, and if I put out green and brown bins on the right Friday at dawn then SOMETIMES the drivers of the village route stop and pick them up on their way to the village at 8am on a Friday.. and of course sometimes they don't, so I have food waste sitting for up to a month on the roadside ::) I only use the brown bin for cooked food (in wee compostable bags) and the heaps of ragwort I don't want to put on my compost heaps and haven't had time/space to burn between them being soaked ::)
And how much will this save, given the cost of the changeover, new bins, delivered each colour in a separate van with only room for 2-3 bins at most per delivery ::)
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oh, Ellie, that is pathetic! I'd rather not have the new bins although I am desperate for a green waste bin for said things I have to burn otherwise than deal with that fuzz! Now that you have them - do bombard the department with emails over the website and write letters, call them, that is unacceptable! Some years they did not want to give us black bags for our coal ashes ("if we give them to you we have to give them to everyone") and we complained endlessly until we got them - it was the refuse men after all who didn't like the dust in the bin unbagged! :&>
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I hate places spoilt by all the bins every where, not sure what else can be done though but they are certainly tough. used to live down an unadopted lane and one day, reversed over a big wheelie bin and got it stuck under the VW...took a lot of help to get it back out and no dammage to it at all. Maybe we should re cycle at source, unwrap stuff in the shop and put it in thier rubbish collection to go back to the manufacturers, we could take an array of containers or buy stuff in money back ones...sound complex but it worked years ago so why not now?
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Maybe we should re cycle at source, unwrap stuff in the shop and put it in thier rubbish collection to go back to the manufacturers
Hear bloomin' hear, Sandy
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May sound old ( a bit) but we used to get chips in our own dishes it we wanted too but that was stopped when weights and measures etc came in, so whats wrong with getting the same weight of chips dropped into a dish of your own, ditto with ice cream, beer, wine (that one started my mum off on the bottle)Pop and milk bottles had money back or were re used, some still are........... ::)
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Maybe we should re cycle at source, unwrap stuff in the shop and put it in thier rubbish collection to go back to the manufacturers
I believe they did (not sure about where or if still done) in Germany or was it Scandinavia?
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Well at least some where has thier heads screwed on, Germany or Scandinavia are usualy good at stuff like that...keeping a B&B we end up with loads of packaging and I hate going through it although quite often people put stuff to the side!!!! I would love some process that turns the rubbish into fuel and filters out bad fumes like you do with water, is it realy that hard to get rid of toxic stuff and if it is, they should start making packaging out of non toxic and bio degradable things more than they do, every thing has plastic seals (hang on thats a mammel) a women on the radio said you can re cycle those and plastic bags like you get stuff in, peas, frozen stuff etc, I just put it into non re cycling stuff as i don't think we have that facility here and I am not sure its cost effective like cans and glass! Oh well!!!
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Well folks the place to be is Somerset :farmer: We lived up a long lane where the bin men could not reach and were allowed to keep to the weekly black bag (we did our own recycling at Taunton). Then we moved house to a separate bin system, brown (compostable waste - weekly - but never used by us), Big green wheel bin (landfill two weekly), black glass, tins, plastic, paper, clothes shoes. Some areas do not take plastic roadside. They have cut the hours at the local main collection sites but have increased the number of bin collector sites eg at Tescos which does take plastic
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Now if shops like Tesco gave you some form of reward for proper recycling then that would be brill, maybe stuff for schools even or money off vouchers!!! rewards work!!
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on the bins it says they give stuff for school from it
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maybe it will help to pay their schools stuff rather than do new things for them - someone should ask. However, why haven't other stores done it?