The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Beewyched on June 17, 2011, 08:33:15 pm
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When we relocated to Scotland we rented-out our house. As we have dogs (among others in our menagerie) we'd had bespoke double kennels, with covered intergral runs built & paved our 12 metre backgarden for them. We had a large side garden in which we kept our chucks & grew fruit, veg & had cottage flower boarders & a pond with a waterfall. The front garden was gravelled, with shrubs & a flower boarder. Sorry to go on - I'm soooo upset :'(
We let the house to someone with 6 dogs, who we'd met at Crufts & left the kennels there for her to use, with permission to keep the 2 oldies in the house.
Long story ... but she moved out last month, owing us 2 months rent & disappeared - leaving our beautiful house & gardens in a disgusting state - all the woodwork in the house has been chewed (doors, doors, skirting boards, kitchen units) holes & dog scratch-marks, urine & faeces up to 4 foot up EVERY WALL IN THE HOUSE. Mould on every ceiling - because the oil-pipe for the central heating had been chewed through & she must have been heating the house with calour gas fires, a ceiling upstairs had been fallen through from the attic, 2 windows smashed - my partner could hardly breath in the house the smell was so bad & it was obvious from the marks that puppies/young dogs had been kept in the cupboard under the stairs & the box room. All the carpets had been ripped-up, most of the furniture & white goods on the inventory had been taken.
The kennels were chewed - from the outside - nothing but rubbish inside, the pond had been filled-in & no plants were left in the garden (oh & the greenhouse was trashed) EVERY garden was full of dog sh@te - so bad it could be smelt from the other side of the road.
We were VERY upset & CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE DOGS - were told by a neighbour that there'd been 9 adult dogs there & at least 4 litters of puppies there (she'd called the RSPCA & Environmental Health twice in the previous month).
Not too worried about sorting the house, gardens & loss of rent - we'd taken out every possible "Landlord's Insurance" possible. Huh WHAT A JOKE - they WON'T PAY A PENNY - putting it all down to "neglect by the tenant & dog damage" - so tough - we've had a few sets of quotes so far & it's gonna cost us in excess of £10,000 to clean, decorate & repair the place eough to re-let it - we'll never get the years of garden back. The police don't give a d@m either.
IF YOU'RE EVER THINKING OF LETTING YOUR HOME - BE WARNED!
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How dreadful! Can't you find her through google - they must be a round somewhere with that many dogs. Surely your lawyer can help get some of the money back - if they breed more pups you can get them then.
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That's awful - how horrid :-*
Two things here, aren't there? Both involve needing to find her.
1. You need to be able to sue for the damage (and upset)
2. She needs to be prevented from keeping dogs
Did no-one talk to her and get a hint of where she might have gone - could your nice neighbour ask around?
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She seems to have disappeared into the ether, we're wondering if she's done this sort of thing before, she'd made some threatening comments to the neighbour just before she left - can't imagine how she manages to sell puppies - if I were a potential buyer going there I'd run a mile & 'phone the RSPCA! :o Strange thing is, she shows her dogs at Championship level ???
It makes me so mad about the insurance companies though - your sold these expensive policies & told your fully covered for all eventualities - until you need to make a claim >:( >:( >:(
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that is insurance companys for you
will she not be showing this year
once you trace her she should be sorted out ;) ;)
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Maybe you will catch her buy looking for pups for sale, although she will now have just a mobile phone number or a friend with a phone. I wonder where she is with all those dogs, that is unless she has friends or family that can also take the dogs for a while. I fell so much for you, I would hate that to happen and would be more mad with the insurance people as you wonder what on earth you would be covered for? We may be looking to rent in the future with our 4 dogs and I can understand why people don't want any amount of dogs in their homes!!
Names are easy to change but her breed of dog and being some one who shows at crufts she is bond to be found but as for getting any money back you will find that impossible, well almost, you will be told is not a criminal offence but a civil one, they have only broken the agreement with you and not the law!!!!!!
I bet with some help from us on this forum she will be found.........some will see it as a challenge to find her and stop her from puppy farming!!!!!!! Poor you, you must be big time P'ed off!!
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Some 'renters' think that as 'landlords' we have money coming out of our arse's and they have the right to treat everything you own as their own (sometimes like s**t), that is until something breaks down, then its your responsibility all of a sudden. It really does my head in sometimes.
Anybody who has ever owned and cared for a property knows the kind of expense thats involved in the upkeep of it - its a fine line between profit and failing - the line is normally how tenants treat 'their' (your) home.
I hope your dont get another tenant like that again as it sounds a nightmare scenario.
Insurance is also a nightmare, our country's economy is built on the back of it now at the mo. I insure the same as you, and I guarantee - same as you, they wouldnt pay out on anything I went ahead to claim for. I bet youve even let a couple of claims 'ride' in the past too, just like the rest of us - frightened that your insurance would be doubled the year after. They have us by the 'balls'
It seems that like our insurance system only ever benefits people who know how to extract money from it with loopholes and the correct terminology. Its wrong.
I say - I dont think you should stress anymore but instead face facts - even though we all know you deserve financial compensation - your not going to get it - sorry to be blunt.
I also add - I hope you get it sorted and a tenant that respects your generosity when it comes rto keeping animals responsibly in the house in the future.
Baz
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I just looked at the other link and there is enough info to hopefuly find her as the pedegre name may be able to be traced, especialy if she breeds again and if she is that money grabbing she will!!!!!!! Shame she did not breed some thing less rare than Labs, there are millions of them out there!! I mean I have four, my daughter 2, her friend 2 etc etc
Notice in pet food shops and vets saying something like " Urgent, could """""""" please contact ????? as they have a valuable item of thiers that needs re claiming, add a phone no. and say reward waiting!!!! or maybe not!! shall have to re think that one!!
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They have updated their website recently, and blanked out the 'about us' page on their website. I thought it might just have been coloured out but I tried a selct all, copy, and paste, and nothing came out. You can still email them though. Perhaps somone in England could email them and ask to see their dogs with a view to buying a puppy? It would be silly to do it from up here - they'd probably twig.
What about the KC - have you contacted them - not necessarily to discuss the damage, just an enquiry to see if they have a more recent address or number? People like them give the Accredited Breeder Scheme a bad name.
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Thanks for all your replies - sorry, guess i'm just feeling so upset at the mo - can't believe the insurance doesn't cover anything - what are we covered for? Surely taking our furniture & kitchen goods is theft? but the police don't want to know - the white goods alone were over £2,000 & most of them were under a year old when she moved-in. We left them for her because our tenancied holding is part-furnished & we felt sorry for her being on benefits & on her own. She'd been living with a nice couple we'd known for a while, who had a proper registered kennels & she needed to get her own place as they were moving away with their business (they don't know where she is either). OMG she was selling those puppies for £600-£800 each! Th ey were being kept in appalling conditions & the neighbour had reported her for hitting & kicking them - it's disgusting.
Ps. She's got the Accredited Breeder logo on her website, but if you read her site she says she doesn't agree with it - I wonder why >:( >:(
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well that surprizes me with plod a baldy tyre tax out by one day mobile phone in hand serious crime they dont give a flying stuff about
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Yep, too right Robert - when we rang them all we had was a lecture about "what do you expect when you rent a house out, you should be insuranced for this anyway, don't worry about it" ::)
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ring the coppers again, say you need to report a theft and need a crime reference number.
our constab gave us one over the phone (non-emergency number) so we could pass it to the insurance, then a copper came to the house about 3 days later (pointless!)
the insurance will surely act if there's a CRN, if your covered for theft?
failing that, make a big fuss at the local police station!
As for the so-called breeder - inform the kennel club & any championship shows you think they'll attend. MAybe a little ABH in public would get the coppers' attention (and show her for what she really is in front of doggy people!)
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I keep thinking some one must know her well, how did she come to be living with the old couple for a start? They may know about friends etc, maybe her car make and reg number!! SHe must have had help to do all that and transport your stuff away, some one with a trailer or large van maybe.
Are there any dog bones left around? are they dog bones? Did you check the waste/rubbish for any evidence?
Hope you have loads of photos for proof and evidence, if there were that much chewing she must have kept them in and alone a lot!!!!
Saying that, some one who used to live here is always getting phone calls from people they owe money to and he is easy to find, I googled his name and saw his house up for sale as I rec the furniture and also he still lets places out here as he gets a lot of trade via us :/
We will find her!!
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Put it on Facebook! The Police and crooks all use it too
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SHes on Facebook, I saw the same photos of 2 Labs, maybe some one could friend her!!!!
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Ps. She's got the Accredited Breeder logo on her website, but if you read her site she says she doesn't agree with it - I wonder why >:( >:(
If you read her page about that, near the end it says,
"WE were accrediated breeders but when we noticed how many puppy farmers had joined the scheme we left in disgust. Many accrediated breeders will tell you the Kennel Club inspector has been and inspected their premises and dogs......what they won't tell you is they get approximately 2 weeks notice of the impending visit. Anyone even a puppy farmer can get things in order ready for an inspection with 2 weeks notice.
We do not insult our puppy buyers with fancy accrediated breeder folders but we do allow you to have a puppy who has been raised to the very highest standards and has been microchipped and had his / her first vaccination. We also leave it to our buyers to inspect our premises and let us know how well we are doing.
Maybe one day when the scheme has raised its very low standards we will rejoin but until then we know that we are doing a great job."
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S sorry for the awful thing BUT fight the insurance company. Dont take no for an answer. Its cheaper for them to settle eventually than to keep continually answering your letters, following up etc. Also as you say WHAT are you insured for.
Bombard them with letters from the bottom up, recorded to the man at the top and have a chat with the insurance ombudsman. If all else fails try watchdog and You and Yours on Radio 4.
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That's good advice re the insurance. I gather they're told, in some offices, to refuse all significant claims - and most people give up, making big profits for the insurance company ::) so don't make life easy for them - I think the consumer organisations are a good idea :)
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She may not be in the breeder scheme , but are the pups KC registered? . if so look on the KC website. she may have changed her address with them because she has to renew her membership and affix.
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I suppose the trouble is, if/when we/you find her, not sure what can be done anyway other than alert RSPCA or SSPCA.
I looked as I bet others have, at links to her name and noticed a Facebook link of some one who had not paid for a picture or similar, I bet they are always on the move and are clever at covering thier tracks, she has loads of Facebook friends with Labradors though. If I were you my head would be buzzing with ways to get her and I actualy dreamt about her and the dogs last night, the power of the tinternet aye!!!!!
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Have you thought about trying a private detective? I know it would mean more outlay for you, but if they found her ::). Also if the utilities were in her name she would have to change them, ditto bank.
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I have been watching all of this with interest and horror. My OH has a couple of properties that he rents out. Your story is so bad I couldn't even bring myself to tell him about it.
With regards to the private detective I am not sure what benefit it would be to you. I think you had said the woman was on benefits so even if you find her the likelihood of you getting any money out of her is slim and you would need to pay the private detective into the bargain.
I agree with others fight the insurance company. What do they think you have been paying your insurance premiums for?
Wishing you all success
Sally
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Don't be fobbed off.
A crime has been committed. If the police won't take it seriously file a formal complaint and copy your MP.
You had insurance for which you paid a premium. Be persistent and send letters: phone monkeys are trained to get claims to fizzle out.
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You had insurance for which you paid a premium. Be persistent and send letters: phone monkeys are trained to get claims to fizzle out.
I think this is the most likely way to get you some money back - she's unlikely to have any even if you can sue her as people have pointed out.
Finding her just allows you to get the Environmental Health people to shut her down - and possibly bring her to the attention of the RSPCA and the Police, with respect to the cruelty.
I asked my ex-bobby husband about criminal damage and he says it's a civil debt (even the damage) so would have to be pursued via the courts or insurance company.
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I totally agree with fighting the insurance company but if she is getting benefits is she declaring the payments for her puppies? Given what she has done to you and my PM I suspect not. I am sure the Inland Revenue and the benefits agencies would be interested about possible fraud. You need to push hard to get your dosh, but also this 'person' needs to be shut down from what she has done to the animals she had/has in her 'care'. I only suggested the gum shoe so that you know where she has moved to - but your best bet would be alerting one of the authorities that get dosh from us or give its out
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Hi Lynne,
Just read this, a good going over with a hard object springs to mind here, getting the house sorted out at your own expense makes you consider if there is anyone out there that you can trust. Have you thought about a family member next time. Yes you can never get the years back that you both spent on the garden. But please remember this "what goes round comes round" as the ungreatful bitch will eventually get her comeupence, then and only then will she know how you both feel. :-*
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Sadly people like her have nothing to loose and no respect, she has most likley done it before and will do it again, she must be selling her pups still, but she could be anywhere in the UK. It would be nice to find her but like we all know, you will not get your money but you will get some satisfaction at least!!
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Thanks for your supportive & helpful messages :bouquet:
Sandy - we have managed to find where she has gone, full address too, & we have sent it to the Police, RSPCA, Pets as Therapy, Guidedogs & our insurance company (though don't know if they'll do anything ::) ).
Despite the claims she makes on her website, Pets as Therapy have never heard of her & they are notifying their Chief Exec with regards to taking action, the Police (who do not have any dogs from the Devonelite "Kennels" working with them) are liaising with the RSPCA about welfare concerns, I'm still waiting for a response from the Guidedogs. So - Lillian, it'll come round a lot quicker than she may think!
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An excellent start have you considered the Vat man etc? :dog:
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I'm so glad that you are making some headway. I hope you still get recompense from the insurance company but even if that is a lost cause it sounds as if she will get her come uppance one way or another.
Sally
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Thanks Sally :bouquet:
Lots of mixed emotions at the mo & so worried about all those dogs & puppies :'(
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An excellent start have you considered the Vat man etc? :dog:
That's a thought, she's been on DLA & getting Housing Benefit & Attendance Allowance too, but she's well enough to drive from South Wales to Manchester & run her dog around a show ring, then drive back - all on her own too, our neighbour told us & the results are on the champdogs show site ::)
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I can see her being on TV, saints and sinners and animal 24 7!! Well done, she need stopping!!!!!!!Poor dogs
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what would she have to do with vat there is no vat on animals
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http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/ (http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/)
contact them!
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That sounds like a good idea Little Blue
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It works too... :D (mwah-ha-ha!! there are some people who just take the P*ss, and stop there being enough left for those who really need it)
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http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/ (http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/)
contact them!
Just got it sent now - thanks for the tip LB :bouquet:
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Sorry I ment TAX and the fraudulent income/benefit claiming people. Glad you are getting them - hopefully so it gets those animals away from Cruella :)
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Only just read this......................In My Humble Opinion..........................She couldn't drive far OR run round a ring with broken knee caps!!!
Sorry if I have offended anyone.
Ian
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;D ;D I used to work with a lot of people who had broken knee caps"""" Sometimes the Law is not going to do anyone any good""
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There are a few expats over here who claim invalidity benefit (and in 2 cases the invalidity allowance for a new car every couple of years) who work for cash in jobs that most able bodied would not want. I know of at least 2 possibly 3 who are for the high jump. It may be slow but they do catch up eventually. Of course this is helped by people who get p ssed off with them and alert the authorities. At the end of the day its the genuine cases who suffer from the fraudulent few. GO GET HER!!!!!!!!
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There are a few expats over here who claim invalidity benefit (and in 2 cases the invalidity allowance for a new car every couple of years) who work for cash in jobs that most able bodied would not want. I know of at least 2 possibly 3 who are for the high jump. It may be slow but they do catch up eventually. Of course this is helped by people who get p ssed off with them and alert the authorities. At the end of the day its the genuine cases who suffer from the fraudulent few. GO GET HER!!!!!!!!
It may be worth 5 minutes on the dwp fraud line that Little Blue mentioned HM ;)
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Thanks for your supportive & helpful messages :bouquet:
Sandy - we have managed to find where she has gone, full address too, & we have sent it to the Police, RSPCA, Pets as Therapy, Guidedogs & our insurance company (though don't know if they'll do anything ::) ).
Despite the claims she makes on her website, Pets as Therapy have never heard of her & they are notifying their Chief Exec with regards to taking action, the Police (who do not have any dogs from the Devonelite "Kennels" working with them) are liaising with the RSPCA about welfare concerns, I'm still waiting for a response from the Guidedogs. So - Lillian, it'll come round a lot quicker than she may think!
Such good news ;D
And it's people like her who make tenants like me (especially now I've got a sheepdog) struggle to find homes....so give her a (metaphorical) slap from us too.... >:(
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I dont normally get involved with forums but having just read this post felt I had to say something, this person who is being slandered about in this post is renting from me now, I have only known her a short while but having seen all her dogs which are in immaculate condition, have wonderful temperaments and are all a very friendly clean bunch I cannot understand why anyone would say that they have been beaten ,kicked and lived in dreadful conditions, Surely anyone who went to buy a puppy and saw the so called conditions that the dogs were kept in would walk away and report them to whatever authorities they felt fit! I am not getting into any liable matter with whoever it is that has a gripe against this person but I can assure them that the matter is already in the hands of a solicitor so I would think twice about posting things on forums first. On a last note my house that is now being rented is immaculate!!!
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There are always 2 sides :o
All people know is what they are told, maybe its a lesson to us all to think about both sides of the story and the reasoning behind things!!!!!!
Great if the dogs are fine, that can only be good news for all concerned!
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well i never!!!! superinjunction anyone?
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I dont normally get involved with forums but having just read this post felt I had to say something, this person who is being slandered about in this post is renting from me now, I have only known her a short while but having seen all her dogs which are in immaculate condition, have wonderful temperaments and are all a very friendly clean bunch I cannot understand why anyone would say that they have been beaten ,kicked and lived in dreadful conditions, Surely anyone who went to buy a puppy and saw the so called conditions that the dogs were kept in would walk away and report them to whatever authorities they felt fit! I am not getting into any liable matter with whoever it is that has a gripe against this person but I can assure them that the matter is already in the hands of a solicitor so I would think twice about posting things on forums first. On a last note my house that is now being rented is immaculate!!!
You are clearly a friend of this person & yours is obviously not a genuine post (afterall this is your first post on this forum) your profile is blank, but would it help if I send photographs of the condition of my house? Very pleased to hear a solicitor is involved, as this means there will be a response to the legal notice that you will be aware was issued earlier this week.
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It could well be the person in question who has posted posing as a friend. :dog: :dog:
How did they get wind of this forum and in particular this posting, It's possible that someone on here know's them?
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Googling their own name or affix to see if anyone is speaking about them could have got them here.
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Yes but nobody's mentioned the individual's name or affix on the forum.....weird
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Yes but nobody's mentioned the individual's name or affix on the forum.....weird
I did SQ, on the 21st June - but you know what they say about hats ;)
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Oh sorry - must have missed that ::)
Cancel my last :)
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Just caught up with the latest on this (forum going slowly coincided with our Internet going slowly...) and am so glad you're making progress, after such a horrible experience :-* As for the one-off posts ::)
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Sorry to be a little sceptical, I am in the process of becoming a landlord right now. I have had experience in both being a homeowner and a tenant and working for my landlord as a painter / decorator throughout university repairing their 50+ properties they rent to students so have seen both sides of the fence (and really seen some sights in these student rooms!).
The level of damage described could not have been done over a short period of time.
Who was managing the rental? Estate agent? Yourselves? How often was the house inspected, if at all?
I have heard many horror stories and my parents have also been burned by trying their hand at renting property. Many issues can be avoided or at the very least minimised by regular visits to the property, especially with DSS tenants (Please note, this is not a stereotype, but a fact. On average, housing rented to DSS require more maintenance and repair than those rented privately, aside from students). Take these opportunities to monitor the condition of the house, raise any issues you have and also receive any issues, questions from the tenant.
It needn't even be a knock on the door, simply walk past the house, peer over the garden fence.
If it was managed by an estate agent, they may be liable for neglect as they have not managed the property. In a contractual agreement with the agent it usually states an interval for which visits are performed to monitor the condition of the property.
The theft of your white goods are of significant value. Landlord insurance is the equivalent to buildings insurance for homeowners. This does not cover the contents and as such, you will not be paid a penny for that unless you have separate contents insurance on the property.
All insurance policies will list what is and isn't covered. It is extremely important to ensure you read the terms & conditions of insurance when it is taken out as a house is a considerable value, it is worth being 100% sure.
In future, I would suggest as a condition of tenancy, that the tenant has in place contents insurance for which a claim may be made upon termination of the tenancy agreement if they are not willing to pay for any damage caused.
I know this won't help your current situation now, but could help you in the future if you wish to continue as a landlord.
I sincerely hope you receive some compensation for your losses but seeing that even if you do catch up with them, the best you will get is a £1 a week taken from the persons benefits and it is likely that you are not their only creditor and also likely that you are not a "preferred creditor" as per citizen's advice.
Best Regards,
John
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I have had just one foray into the 'buy-to-let' arena, and found a local housing association were offering reasonable guaranteed rental on fixed-term contracts - 2, 3, or 5 years. The rent they offered was maybe 7-9% lower than the market rate for the property - but it would be guaranteed for every month for the whole of the contract, no agent to pay, no empty periods, no worries about tenants defaulting, leaving, etc. They wanted it completely unfurnished, just carpets and curtains. I had to have landlord's insurance, of course, and also a gas service contract etc. Other than that I had no costs (only any repairs to the central heating, that kind of thing - but if I wanted the association would organise any work and just deduct the cost from my next rental payment), and the association were bound to return it in as original condition allowing for wear-and-tear. I knew it would be DSS tenants, and that it was likely to be short-term and emergency housing, so could be families with problems, and could be a lot of changes of tenant in the period. But I felt that the hands-off guaranteed income plus the nice warm feeling that I was providing a home for someone who was in need more than compensated for the downsides.
At the end of the period the association repainted throughout and replaced curtains; the carpets were still ok. (They hadn't been new.) I don't think the house was worth any less at the end of the period than it would have been on any other kind of rental.
I know this arrangement would often not suit any individual at a point in time where they are needing to rent a property out - but I did think it was a super arrangement if you knew you wanted tenants for 2 years or more and didn't need to be leaving the house furnished. Oh, and because the income was guaranteed, the bank were happy to take it as security for a mortgage on the property too.
It's rare, and very nice, when it's an everybody wins situation! (And I never had any complaints or worries from the neighbours, either.)
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Thanks Sal - that sounds like a great idea for us. As it is such a long way for us to travel back & forth, we were only doing annual checks ourselves & relying on the tenant to tell us if there were any issues (last check being last September).
The problems only seemed to arise when something inside the house required attendance & the contractors refused to return to the property because of the "loads of dogs running around the place" & it being a "health & safety concern because of the dog sh@te in the house".
When we contacted the tenant about this, she started to get funny with us - pulled her "Devonelite" website homepage & left owing 2 months rent (even though Housing Benefit had been paid into her bank account to cover this) & wouldn't give us a forwarding address.
The neighbour who had seen her kicking the dogs saw the people who helped her move-out, but didn't realise what was going on at the time - but she did take photos of the vehicle - it has the "Holcroft" Labradors on it. I am surprised that someone who shows their dogs has anything to do with her considering the conditions the dogs were kept in, but I notice they bought a puppy from her last year & seem to have been doing fairly well with it in the show ring.
Update: because the furniture etc was on the inventory, as part of the Tenancy Agreement - it IS THEFT!
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So does that now mean the police have to get involved?
Lets hope so ::)
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Though I have been watching this discussioin for a while and I had until now no intention of posting to it.
To the original poster, you may or may not have a case with regard to your dispute with your former tennant, that is for the police and the courts to decide and both parties will be subject to any ruling on that.
The only reason that I now post is that you have named in this discussion another party who has had no involvement in your disbute, who you don't know and doesn't know you. You have the right to state your case with regard to your former tennant, but this is not the place to name names or name other people who are not involved in your disbute. In naming "Holcroft Labradors" in your last post and in the manner you did, I can only assume that you wish to tarnish the good name of that person in the eyes of fellow Labrador people and the Show Dog community at large. They have not committed any wrong against you and therefore I suggest that you remove any mention of Holcroft Labradors in respect to your disbute in this and any other discussion board that you may or may not be disucssing your dibute with your former tennant. Failure to do so or any further mention may result in action being taken against you.
To other contributors,
There are always two sides to a disbute, you have only heard one and though you may have sympathy for the original poster, I would think that an open mind is the best thing to have. As the original poster has indicated that legal procedings are in the works it is now for the courts to decide who is right or wrong in this disbute, once that has been settled then you will have all the information you require to come to your own conclusions or the rights and wrongs of the case.
Regards
Mark
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What they posted they posted as a statement of fact and not an opinion. Unless you can prove libel in a court of law they don't have to remove it. As they have pictures of the van being there they can prove that it is a statement of fact so they have no need morally or legally to remove the name.
Personally I would be more worried that if the original poster is telling the truth then you (I assume you are Holcroft Labradors) have allegedlly handled stolen goods and you could also be charged with conspiracy to commit theft.
Oh and to the original poster forget the RSPCA they are useless and run by animal rights companies that want to ban pets. They also have no legal powers. Phone the local council and ask for the animal welfare officer as they actually have a clue and power to seize mistreated animals.
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Pooky
Statement of fact? I dont believe so. To be a statement of fact it has to be substantiated by evidence and examined in a court of law. As the case has not come before a court of law be it a criminal or civil court it cannot be a statement of fact. Therefore at this present moment in time all that is being discussed in this forum is nothing more than hearsay. By naming Holcroft Labradors the original poster has defamed Holcroft Labradors and that is why I politely suggested that any mention of them be removed to prevent any further defamation occuring.
If as you suggest that Holcroft was involved in theft or handling stolen goods and the landlord had photographic evidence of a criminal act taking place, surely the police would have acted on this information at the time. What the original poster has failed to disclosed to the group that they were present on the morning the tennant left the property, the tennant did not do a runner and as there was no inventory taken or signed at the time the tennant moved in and no inventory was checked or signed off on the handover of the keys in person to the landlord by the tennant on the morning the tennant left the property. This is why the has been no action taken by the police or the courts.
Holcroft Labradors had no stake in the dispute between the landlord and tennant, the only part they took was to transport a number of dogs from the property. Neither I or they would have posted any comments on this forum or anywhere else in respect of this dispute as this is clearly a matter for the two parties to sort out in a court of Law.
Regards
Mark
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Mark
This is not why no action was taken-the person involved refused to give a forwarding address, hence requesting information. Inventory-the only thing she left was a chest of drawers that had been conveniently placed against a wall in an upstairs room to hide a hole that had been chewed in the wall by the dogs she had shut in there.
Photographic evidence is available for the Police, and will be provided to them as soon as her address is confirmed. Then action will proceed. There is also a seperate civil action taking place against her. As I assume you are in fact Holcroft, which by the way was a name that would have been little mentioned had you not chosen to involve yourself, you will know that we attempted to contact you directly following the move as you were photographed as being present. This contact was made out of concern for the welfare of the animals and it was asked whether 'Holcroft' could confirm that the dogs would not be subjected to this treatment in future and that they would in fact be cared for properly in the future.
There was no response to this enquiry, which was a shame as it had been assumed that a reputable breeder would have taken the time to intervene on behalf of animals that needed help, especially as they had seen for themselves directly the state of the property and were in fact helping her to 'clean up'. I use this term loosely, as I fail to see how anyone could possibly believe there was no issue when dog urine and excrement are present inside and outside a house which can be smelled from a distance of 30 yards away.
As it would appear that several people stayed the night in the house on the evening before leaving it would have been nigh on impossible for Holcroft to be unaware of the significant amount of damage done by the dogs, and the general level of disgusting unsanitary conditions that were present.
My partner travelled overnight to be at the property to find horrific conditions and a house that is uninhabitable and a tenant and Holcroft leaving with the tenant refusing to give a forwarding address.
We look forward to having the opportunity to resolve this in court and will be delighted to post an update on the outcome.
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This thread is locked now.
If Beewyched would like to post an update, that'll happen. :)