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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: knightquest on March 13, 2011, 09:44:44 pm
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Who's making contingency plans for 23rd December 2012.
And, what are they?
Ian
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Whats happening????????????
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Whats happening????????????
The end of the World I believe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OK then SEX!!!
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Well I'm not likely to have that available so I'll just plump for a big cuddle from my bestest friend, my dog. ;D
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hot chocolate? ;) wait and see, what else is there to do?
or have some cyanide plls ready :P :&>
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Anyone know how it's supposed to be happening? and why the 23rd, why not Christmas Eve? We might just have to have an early Christmas Eve methinks, or maybe even a Hogmanay. Can anyone guess that I don't believe in predictions lol
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according to the Mayan Calendar the world as we know it is going to end - different theories on interpreting the date. Scientists say it is the shift of the poles of the earth, others say an asteroid is going to hit the earth. Effects can't really be predicted either way. Hot chocolate for me. And make sure everybody is home for Christmas, just in case... :&>
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But the poles shifted yesterday - when the Japan earthquakes hit - it moved the main island of Japan 8 feet and moved the earths axis!!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Earths-axis-wobbles-your-days-shorter/articleshow/7689494.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Earths-axis-wobbles-your-days-shorter/articleshow/7689494.cms)
If they get another one, like New Zealand did, that could be that. And anyway, will we get enough warning to put the kettle on I ask? ;D ;D ;D
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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not every earthquake shifts the poles , "just" the land mass on the top . Wikipedia: 2012 phenomenon, explains it better than I could. I suppose whatever comes, we'll have to take it... :&>
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I thought the main date was 21st 12 2011 ? ,but it is on that day that the planets line up and many things happen .
Basically , the western consumer, technological lifestyle that we live , will come to an end . It does not necessarily mean the end of the world , although there will/may be very many changes for most.
It doesn't actually take much for out lifestyle to come to a total halt . A pole shift can do it quite effectively , and if the pole shift were too also include major tectonic plate shifting , as is now happening , then TSCHTF .
At the moment it could be the suns activity , sunspots , causing the problem of tectonic plate shift , as well as any 'magnetic' pole shift . The suns activity is increasing as it does every so many years , and 2012/13 is a massive year for sun activity .
A magnetic pole shift is totally different to an axis type pole shift , although for technology , it would be just as fatal .
At the moment we have other things happening as well . On the 15th of this month , the comet Elenin will pass very close to earth . It will be many thousands of miles away , and is not in the least likely to hit us, but, it's gravitational pull will already be affecting the planet . The degree that it affects earth is what nobody knows , until it passes .
Over six months ago maybe even a year , I read about how it ,Elenin, could cause huge tectonic plate shift , as is now happening in the ring of fire . All around the plate earthquakes are happening like at no other time . The worst so far being the one in Japan. That doesn't mean that the one in Japan IS the worst though !! . It looks as though the big one ? 8.9 , may well be just one of many . The next 72 hours is the most likely time for another huge one , making this one look like small potatoes .
The gravitational pull of Elenin could? , cause much more tectonic plate shift than has occurred so far , with massive tsunamis happening all over the planet . If the plate the the UK sits on were to shift as some say it may , then the UK could sink by 78 feet, and due to the worlds plates shifting all over , the sea could rise buy as much as 200 feet. This figure could be much worse over time if the world were to shift axis by more than a few degrees as the poles would then not be the pole anymore , and they would melt making the seas rise even more .
Therefore the UK could be just a series of smaller islands with Ireland disappearing altogether possibly .
The closeness of the comet could cause the earth to actually stop turning for some time , and this would be the major reason for the massive tectonic plate that would send the seas ploshing from one side to the other in a series of tsunamis anything up to 1000 feet high , some say maybe even a mile high , and at speeds of 500 mph or more.
As well as Elenin on the 15th , there is the super moon on the 19th . This where the moon comes closer to earth than it has for years . Again it is gravitational pull that may cause huge problems , when put in conjunction with the effects of Elenin , as well as the sunspots that are continually hitting earth at the moment.
So ... there are a few things happening at the moment , none are good . And the earthquakes and volcano eruptions that are happening ARE caused by one or all or a mix of these things . It makes little difference which one is causing the problems , just that they will be lasting some time , maybe even up to and after 21 12 2012 !!
We in the UK may not be excluded from this turmoil , the fact that the UK just held a huge country wide flood exercise involving 10,000 people , may well be just a coincidence , or it may point to other possibilities ? There is a fault in the tectonic plate just below Ireland !!!
All I can say is I am glad I live at about 1000 feet above sea level , and that I have enough food to get by with , till I can grow enough to live on .
cheers
Russ
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You do have to bear in mind, however, that gravity is an incredibly weak force. For a comet to have a significant gravitational effect upon the Earth it would have to pass very close and possess a significant fraction of the Earth's mass. You can't buck physics.
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You do have to bear in mind, however, that gravity is an incredibly weak force. For a comet to have a significant gravitational effect upon the Earth it would have to pass very close and possess a significant fraction of the Earth's mass. You can't buck physics.
argue that one out with the physicists that said it . But also don't forget that it is the moons gravitational pull that gives us tides !!! and a lot more besides .
cheers
Russ
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Oh my oh my i do love a bit of pseudoscience in the early morning ;D
Anybody have some nice scientific evidence to back this up?
Earthquakes, volcanoes etc are a natural process of our planet as the tectonic plates move over its surface. Certainly they are not caused by sunspots!!! Sunpots are just cooler areas on the suns surface. Presume what is meant is solar flares. Now I'm not sure if that post from rusty is meant as a joke (I'm still undecided whether it was or not??), if not think its wrong to present it as fact with pretty much zero evidence in support of any of these claims!
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yep it should be solar flares not sun spots ... I am not an expert !!! and did I say that what I said was FACT ? I haven't edited the post , and I can't see where i said it was FACT !!! I did say as often as I could ...maybe !! could be !!!
It is based on what I have read , and yes it is to some extent taking the p*ss . But what is going on at the moment is NOT normal .
If I state something is fact then I try to put in the links that I got the information from . This was not a factual post and I did not state it was . It was a mish mash of things that are happening and some of the reasons that MAY be causing them .
It is up to you to either prove or disprove anything in the post , if that's what you wish to do . I didn't say that what I was saying was fact or truth .....
I can't put any smileys on at the moment as my pc is going wobbly , they won't work !! but have a nice day anyway ....
cheers
Russ
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And the earthquakes and volcano eruptions that are happening ARE caused by one or all or a mix of these things . It makes little difference which one is causing the problems , just that they will be lasting some time , maybe even up to and after 21 12 2012 !!
That part in particular is stated as fact, but i didnt say that you said it was fact but that it was presented as such. Agree you do say "maybe" and "could" etc but i think it is dangerous and does more harm than good when people take theories (and i use that term loosely here as any credible theory needs at least some sound scientific backing), jumble them up and come up with all these ideas and ends up with people worrying needlessly.
Anyway Rusty am pleased to hear you were at least partly takin the mick ;)
When you say "But what is going on at the moment is NOT normal" what do you mean exactly?
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I for one am looking forward to a big change in the way humanity operates on the planet, for whatever reason it makes the shift. If another 18 months wait is required, fine and if things are already moving to that purpose, great :)
I don't know anything scientific but if the risk of nuclear explosions in a "safe" political country due to natural causes (triggered by sun flares, comets, global warming or any other reason) makes other countries think twice about nuclear energy/bombs then that would be a very positive result in my opinion.
And if global recession and political manipulation result in a shift away from commercialism and towards more local production, sustainability and better consideration of effects of the way "we" live on the planet then about bl**dy time ;)
Those that have abandoned working for the bureaucracy in favour of self sufficiency are ahead of the game and will hopefully ride the wave of change like surfers while others come face to face with the pointless drone life we have been conditioned to accept for decades if not centuries. Giving up religion for personal/collective and responsible spirituality, allocation of cash for sharing of abundant food,skills and other resources, me-me-me for US on a global scale.. I hope things like the Japanese earthquake, the bigger one in Indonesia (it was 9.1), even 9/11 can jolt us from unthinking acceptance of how things are to be, as Gandhi said, the change we want to see in the world..
Right, off soapbox and away for coffee ;D Hail the revolution! ;)
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I am not going to get in to a pedantic argument on whether a comment , the word 'ARE' , denotes I am stating fact or otherwise . The fact is , it was an opinion ...not fact , and not stated as such . If people think that an off the cuff comment is dangerous then thats their problem ( or more correctly yours) not mine .
I watched the film armageddon the other night ...oh my god , that is so dangerous making a film like that !!! no, it''s a film .... I made a comment , get over it . Some people seem to take it on themselves to speak for the populous when nit picking what someone has said . Who are you to decide what I say is dangerous or otherwise ? , if you don't like what I say , don't read it !!! Disagree with it by all means , that is your prerogative . I do not do PC never have and never will , if people don't like that , that is their problem not mine , in short , I don't give a shite.
The above may read a bit terse , and that it may be . I make no apologies for that , I say it as I see it and if people don't like for whatever reason ....so be it , I shan't lose any sleep over it.
cheers
Russ
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and who wants to know the exact scientific facts can use a search engine and then enlighten us with their own opinion ;). There is always plenty of things to worry about but what are the facts of what is to come? Nobody knows other than that we are all going to die one day and it will most likely not be pleasant. :&>
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It's OK, Russ, most of us know you well on here! ;D How are the horses this weather, and hope you are coping OK
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My opinions is - that life as we *knew* it is ending every single day. Thats what makes living today so exciting!!
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best... we have skills and the resourcefulness to survive...
Emma T aka Pollyanna
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my goodness.
there has been apocolyptic prophecy ever since man could speak.
this 2012 nonsense is yet another form of propaganda designed to create fear. it annoys me that mankind is so arrogant as to believe
a; that we have the gift of foresight
b; that we are relevant
c; that we can stop or control events.
just sow seeds, look after the earth and be happy your alive. imho.
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Wow rusty didnt mean to cause you to stress. All my posts were really getting at was there needs to be evidence when it comes to these sorts of things. People/articles/websites who have obviously influenced you have done it in a way to make these ideas seem plausable but most of them arent because there is no sound backing to any of it. This crazy hysteria over the things you mention is spreading like wildfire over the net, and why? Because some people trust things written up on forums and websites. Thats why its so important to back up comments in these situations.
Cant really see the relevance of the film Armageddon apart from being a peice of science fiction like most of the ideas in this thread. Anyway Rusty sorry if my last comment rubbed you up the wrong way, I didn't personally see it as something to cause offence merely a discussion. The conversation has kind of deviated away from the original points now so thats all I have to say on the matter.
Now if ireland sinks next week and a mile high tidal wave hits the uk I'll be the first to say I was wrong.
my goodness.
there has been apocolyptic prophecy ever since man could speak.
this 2012 nonsense is yet another form of propaganda designed to create fear. it annoys me that mankind is so arrogant as to believe
a; that we have the gift of foresight
b; that we are relevant
c; that we can stop or control events.
just sow seeds, look after the earth and be happy your alive. imho.
Couldnt agree more with that.
Have a good day everyone
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no stress caused at all Joe11 ,
I have no problem with discussing anything I say , but I do not like censorship of speech or of any of my freedoms whether it be from government or from self appointed net policemen . But thanks for the apology , although not needed. You commented on what I said, and I answered , end of .
The relevance of the Armageddon film was that I made a written comment, and that film is a visual/verbal comment . Science fiction based, the film may be , but is what is said in the links below science fiction ? or science fact ?
Like with many other things that have happened lately , what the scientists say depends on where they get their funding from , and who they actually work for .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html)
is Nasa a good enough source of scientific fact ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110310/sc_space/willmarch19supermoontriggernaturaldisasters (http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110310/sc_space/willmarch19supermoontriggernaturaldisasters)
answers for and against here , but even the scientific experts don't know for sure, YET.
"just sow seeds, look after the earth and be happy your alive. imho. " Thats what I do , not because the end of the world is nigh , but because I want to .
cheers
Russ
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lol.. the horses are fine thanks Annie,
we aren't having bad weather down this way for a change .It has been like spring for a couple of weeks now . The grass was even growing for a while , still is just moving a bit I think ? I hope so as I am running out of money fast ...lol. I hope you get some nice weather to soon , it will help you forget the cold and snowy stuff soon enough , well it works for me anyway mate.
Now , seeing as i sort of took the thread off topic (god forbid that should happen ...slap, slap, slap. ), I will get back to the point .
What am i doing in preparation for the end of the world ?? F*CKALL !!!!
Ok , sorry ..couldn't resist .
No the fact is I am not doing anything really . I really do just do the things I do because I want to (did that make any sense ? ). All the self reliance stuff, I do because thats how I choose to live my life . Loads of boring reasons, and somewhere down the bottom is 'because the end of the world is nigh ' .
If TEOTWIN ? then the things I do will come in handy to say the least ( now there is a fact !!!) .
I am getting the veggie plot up and running again , after a nearly 3 year unwanted break . Lots of digging getting done now , and each day adds to fitness to allow more to get done , if you see what I mean .
The plot is about 30'x85' with another 4 beds for grain each about 10'x 85' , maybe a bit smaller , all depends on how much digging I get done !!.
The veg will feed me easily if TSHTF on a big scale , plus I can extend the plot to whatever size i need to , if family were to come to stay on the land due to some collapse .
The grain will almost keep me in bread for a year from the wheat , approx 60lb from about 3lb of seed sown . The oats about the same amount , would keep me in porridge and supply enough to use in cooking for a year , and the barley would provide animal feed and some to use in cooking . The rye , completing the 4 grains, would supply grain for rye bread , which keeps longer than wheat bread , crisp bread and other uses in cooking .
I also keep a turn over of growing small amounts of seed such as linseed , hemp, alfalfa , sunflower , rape seed etc to provide fresh clean seed to sow the following year . Things like the linseed and hemp will provide fibre for cloth, sacking and string as well as rope , as well as seed for eating and for oil production . The sunflowers also provide oil for cooking or for fuel , plus any waste after oil extraction can be used as animal feed. The same applies to the oil seed rape.
I hope this year to grow amaranth and quinoa seed , along with some other millet type seeds . These produce huge amounts of seed per plant , that can be used to eat or to feed animal stock .
I hope the the cotton seeds I have are still viable , I can then grow all my own cloth !!! Just about got my spinning wheel ready to complete , and the loom is next on the list to do ,at last .
I will also be sowing some tea plant seeds ( camellia sinensis)http://www.tregothnanshop.co.uk/ShowDetails.asp?id=257 , although it will take a few years to grow big enough to supply me with enough tea for a year.
I also have some (well a few million actually )papaver somniferum seeds . These are in fact opium poppies . No I don't intend to start a heroin supply route up , you can buy opium poppies in any garden center and also the seeds that you buy to put on/in your bread are mainly opium poppy seeds. ( quick sad FACT here ; if you eat a poppy seed roll a day and you are tested for drugs , you will possibly test positive for opiates !!) . I will grow them because I like the plants and if things did go tits up , I will have the seed to grow any opiate medicinal drug that may be needed ie morphine , but that would only be IF TSHTF .
I also have willow growing that will supply all my basket making needs as well as fuel, converted into charcoal , for the forge and the small foundry I have . I can then make/repair any metal tools I may need . The bark will also supply a natural substitute for the pharmaceutical aspirin .
I have a large bed of comfrey that will supply healing creams gels etc as an aid to any injuries that may occur in the future , I have used this before and it does work .
I could go on for hours , but would just bore the pants off you all .
All in all , if SHTF and TEOTW does occur , well if our way of life were to end anyway !! then I would be pretty well ready for it . In fact apart from the PC and wellies , it wouldn't make that much difference to me really , I live the life already in many ways.
cheers
Russ
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WOW!!!
Russ your level of organisation puts my thoughts into the 'bending over and kissing something goodbye whilst praying to something hopeful' catagory.
LOL Emma T
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seconded, now all you need are the mantraps and shotguns to keep the unprepared riffraff 'orf your land'.
good man russ. i like the cut of your jib!
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I have already got the mantraps dug and ready ...no point in a shotgun as there won't be any ammo once the world as we know it over... so I will use my longbow instead. I can hit a small hay bale ( man size ) , easily at 120 yards . So I am ready for whatever comes my way .
I might make a black powder musket though if time permits ? Got all I need to do it ... a lathe , forge ,foundry , plenty of scrap steel and lead , plenty of wood for the stock and I make my own charcoal , can make salt petre and I have plenty of sulfur anyway , but you can make black powder with it .
Easier to make new arrows though !!! they don't make any noise either ....lol.
I might even cast a cannon ...just to be on the safe side ...just a 10 lb er . It will only take a couple of old engine blocks to do it.
cheers
Russ
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Russ, I am sure you are a figment of my imagination! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You sure make me laugh! xx
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I don't know why Annie ? ... I am deadly serious !!!!! ;) :D :D
cheers
Russ
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;) Yes, I know you are, Russ. If TSHTF I will stay well away from your place - don't fancy getting a bum full of buckshot ::) ;) ;D ;D ;D
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s'ok Annie , I will only shoot anyone that's after me sprouts .... :o ;) :D
cheers
Russ
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Ah well, but if you have good sprouts you may have a lot of folk after them ;) ;D
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Russ, I am sure you are a figment of my imagination! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Bugger !!!! All these years I thought I was real ....and it turns out I am just a filament of someones illuminations !! ::) ::) ::)
Oh well , on the bright side ( extra filaments) , it doesn't matter if the world does end today !!! speaking of which ...only about 6 hours to go before Elenin does her stuff !! :o ;) ;) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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I love the life you lead Russ. I'm sure we strive towards self sufficiency to that level on here.
One question though, if a tsunami struck, are you high enough to survive a twenty five foot surge?
My thoughts were more basic regarding surviving the initial impact/earth quake and tsunami. I thought about getting to high ground (in Birmingham, we are as far from the sea as we can be) and we have a shop which is as high as anywhere around. We stock loads of 15kg of dog food so they would be sorted. So I was thinking of tinned food, communication equipment, a generator and a sharp knife. At this point, I will have to add a long bow! :D I used to be a toolmaker so can turn my hand to making most things so .................anything else?
Perhaps something to read...................Blair/Camerons/Cleggs memoirs? Not read, BURN ;D
Ian
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hello Ian ,
the land is about 960 feet above sea level , so it should be out of reach of most tsunami's . Being 12 miles from the sea was a bit of a worry , but there are many hills between me and the sea plus some of the area is higher between the two as well , so all being well ...I'm ok !!!!
Being a tool maker is perfect mate .. as you say you will be able to make whatever you want really . But if you have a lathe remember that the genny will need to be capable of running it and you will need enough fuel stored or a way of growing it ie sunflowers etc. You could also think about a water wheel in a stream for power , that would run a lathe plus you could use car propshafts+scafold poles to connect if you had any distance to cover.
Communication gear is out of my thinking really . I have said to family , if anything ever did happen , just make your way to my place . They wouldn't have any mobile form of coms so there would be little point in me having any here. I would think CB radio would be the easiest to set up . I never got into it when it was the IN thing , but you can get a complete set up for about £70 now . That would be easy to keep up and running as it will run direct off of 12v car batteries , all assuming that a pole shift doesn't wipe all batteries out ? Not read into that one at all yet !!!
I live in a very rural area so doggie food is easy to sort . Sheep, cows , bunnies , whatever . Although I don't hunt , I have done in the past , and could easily do it again , not sure what it would be like in Brum though ?
I have mentioned things like hemp for sacking and string and rope etc , linseed for yarn and cloth as well as oil from both , even cotton for cloth . But for foot ware you really need to think of leather . I know if it was a terrible disaster with loads of dead people around you could collect loads of shoes ... but if there was more than a few days since you finding them and the time they died ....putrid feet in minging shoes ...yuk .. I think I would give that a miss. No , read up on curing cow hides, sheep skins etc. You would also need salt , loads of it . so either buy loads in .. or you can collect it from the sea .
I did this years ago to see if I could get enough to survive on ( I did it after watching Survivors in the 70's) , I got loads . I just collected buckets of sea water and made a flat area on the sand , covered it in thickish black plastic and poured the sea water into this . It was summer , so the shallow water , about 1/2" , evaporated very fast . All you do is keep topping it up . The water evaporates and leaves all the salt on the plastic . Just let it dry up every now and then , and tip the salt into containers , job done , you get loads of it .
If it needs cleaning , you just add clean fresh water to it and let it evaporate again , carry on till the salt is clean ... simple as that . I think I got about 12-15lb over a weekend .
To tan the hides/skins you can do it with chemicals if you have them , but most are really nasty , so go the natural way , brain tanning ...google it for details also loads of vids on youtube on how to do it .. very simple again .
You then have leather for shoes, boots , clothing and horse gear.
Also if you keep bees you get wax for preserving the leather along with some oil that you have grown .
For tools , you can use car coil springs heated and straightened out , for cold chisels woodworking chisels , punches and loads of other tools . Flat springs will make good froes , draw knives , and plane blades , they also make good knife blades that hold an edge well.
Torsion bars are good steel to use as are half shafts , they make good hammers. Talking of which , a good trip hammer would be handy too . You can get plans for free on how to make one on the net .
The books could be used for bog roll ??
cheers
Russ
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I hadn't really thought about tsunamis hitting the UK till fairly recently , but it seems they are more likely than I had thought.
So many disasters could hit us , but I think it is man that is more likely to cause problems that we may face . Although things like solar flares knocking out electricity stations etc and other essential technology that we depend on , could hit us very hard and very fast .
I think you need stuff that would get you through the first few weeks of a disaster , kept safely where you can get it easily if need be.
You need to think of water first .... water from the tap may be one of the first things to stop . So a way of filtering water is essential . You can buy all sorts of expensive crap , but good old sand and gravel will do the job almost for free , time being the only real cost. Once filtered, any rain water , or as clean as possible source , can be used to wash clothes if need be , as is . But if you want to drink it , it has to be boiled first .
So next on the list is fuel for cooking/boiling water . That will be whatever you have around you . Gas in bottles , or wood or coal , dependent on where you are .
A good basic first aid kit , plasters , bandages ,germolene , detol , aspirin ,paracetamol ,ibubrofen ( tabs + gel) + a needle and thread ( a curved needle works best !!) . If you are blind like me , a spare pair of specs would be handy .
Next would be whatever type of food you eat that will last a few weeks , so dried or tinned .
The above would be for emergency get you by type things , if you were at home . If you were outside , the list grows ... you need a tent , one that can be carried easily . Sleeping bag , camping cookware and eating utensils . Good outdoor clothing and waterproofs , and good walking boots.
The list can go on as long as you want it too really . But if you are on the move , you have to be able to carry it all in a rucksack , so keep the weight to a max of 80lbs for a man and about 50 or 60lb for a woman . Sorry ladies , not being sexist there , just that most men can manage a bit more weight than the girls can .
It is hard for me to think of all the things needed in such a situation , as I have everything I need already really . But that only applies if I am on the land where I am set up . If I was on the move , I would go as light as poss . Just the clothes I stand up in , a knife , and sort out from there.
Shelter , for example , would be a plastic bag and squeeze under a hedge somewhere . Food whatever I could find or catch . It all depends on circumstances really . But whatever comes along .... I won't give in without a bloody good go at surviving , all assuming I don't pop me clogs in me sleep tonight !!!! ::) ::) ::)
cheers
Russ
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If you think about the catastrophic events that happens throughout the universe - we have quite a safe planet to live on :)
I find it best to try not to think about scenarios like this happening to me at all. Also in light of the situation what can I do anyway?
That said - My thoughts go out to anyone who has to watch their family suffer.
Baz
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what about lightning storms rusty, maybe a hat with an earth wire? ;D
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Cotton here? Waste of time, resources and effort when you have plenty of sheep with a free crop of wool on their backs which regrows every year. Wool is much warmer in winter than cotton, cooler in summer and requires minimal effort to work, unlike cotton.
Russ - the only point I can see in your survivalist approach is if you have children with you to carry on. On your own you're a dead end.
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RUSTYME you are AMAZING, :-* :wave:
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OMG , I hadn't thought about lightening !!! must get a static strip fitted to me boots !!!
Cotton , a waste of time ? Well maybe so , but the thing is I am doing what I am doing because I want to ...NOT because I think the end of the world is about to happen . This is just s discussion about 'what would you do IF ?'
I just want a different way of life to the consumer, buy everything type lifestyle, that is the norm in the UK . It's fine for those that want that way ( although completely unsustainable and they will soon find that out !!! ) , but I want a different life , where I can grow clean food and make my own clothes , without restrictions or poisons being fed to me , and the scientists telling me that it is perfectly safe to have mercury and lead injected into me as well as my food etc etc etc .
If you were thinking of cotton as a commercial product in the UK , yes it would be a waste of time , but how is it a waste of time for me to grow it ? I sow the seed, it grows , it flowers , I spend a few hours picking the cotton bolls , then I spin it !! not labour intensive really . Plus I don't have the land to have loads of sheep for wool . I will be getting a few as I do want 'some' wool . But I will be growing linseed also, so even if the cotton doesn't work out , I will have that as well .
As for the dead end bit ... yep quite right ... so do I go and throw a rope over the nearest branch and swing ? Dead end or not , it would take a good few peeps to get me into the noose , I will only leave this planet kicking and screaming , I will not just lay down and give in, no matter what .
However , I have nieces and nephews who have kids of their own , and it is my duty , (if nothing else) to help them in any way I can . My family is the one thing I would lay my life on the line for , I owe it to them , out of love , to do the best I can , and that I will do . ( Apart from anything else , if I made the rope out of my own home grown hemp , it would probably just snap anyway ....and rope burns really sting ...) ::) ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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I will only leave this planet kicking and screaming , I will not just lay down and give in, no matter what .
Like your style - totally in agreement with you!
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the biggest hurdle that i see in your organised plan if the recent events were to happen closer to home is the hight that you are retreating to when Chernobyl wet bang it was the high areas with rainfall that were affected and still are(according to some expert that was on the telly) Scotland the Denny hills and parts of Dumfries and Galloway cumbria and parts of wales were all affected by radiation fallout (and more instances of cancer at lower levels) and it is a big if if the men and women in white jackets were telling the truth in the first place about the level of fallout?????
so if you survive the radiation then you have to amass the trappings of modern engineering as you have indicated fuel ,generators ,lathes,smelters etc etc o and sand for the moulds with the chemical required to cast first time
as for me i don't give a flying stuff what happens we can do sod all about it till the revolution
and to quote a departed friend of my mothers(when diagnosed with cancer) every day is a blessing :wave: :wave: :wave:
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yes ... I agree ... but my plan organised or other wise , isn't in fact a plan , it's just what I do !!! It just seems organised when put in relationship with a disaster and written down on paper , or in a forum .
I can't do anything about radiation fallout or any of the chemicals that they are spraying in the air for whatever reason , no more than I can filter the poison out of the air that comes from cars , I can only do the best I can , the same as everyone else .
I am in Wales , so maybe I did get some of the fallout from Chernobyl ? I could trip over and break my neck walking out the door ... do I never walk out the door in case ? no of course not . I carry on doing what I want to do , living my life .
Trappings of modern engineering I have . I have a lister generator , designed in the early 1930's , runs on diesel or sunflower oil or any other oil I have to hand . It is also easy to cast new body parts and pistons if needed , that's why I got it . Lathe I have .. an old Myford 7 . It will run off of the lister either by leccy or by a belt off the lister , it will also run off a belt taken off a water wheel that will power the workshop . I have the forge set up and working , and the foundry only takes a few hours to set up when I need it . I need no chemicals to smelt old cast iron or aluminium . I have already cast a few hundred pounds of ali , although it all got nicked ... bastards.
Fuel for the foundry and forge I have growing already , just need to convert it as and when into charcoal .
Each to their own , some work 40 hours and more a week , to get what they want .. I already have what I want , and just do what I want to live , when I want to . The reality is, what happens in the big bad world makes little difference to me now , and even less as time goes on.
Many things can come along and pull the rug from under me , but does that mean I should just sit around and do nothing , waiting for 'something'? You do what you do and I will do what I do ...just enjoy whatever it is you do , I certainly do ...
cheers
Russ
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we all have one life and we all should live it to the full :) :) :) :) :wave:
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Rusty you sound just like my OH! Except more intelligent :D ;) (I'll not be showing him this post). Are you in the north of Wales, like us?
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Having read your posts, Russ, I think I may have found my solution to the EOTW.
All we need to do is send someone in under cover of darkness to nick your glasses, then, in the morning, we all just walk in and take over, cos you won't be able to hit anything with your bow. ;D ;D ;)
Then you'll be working for us. MMWUAHAHA :P
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lol.... thick as three short planks in series parallel me ....
No, I am not too far from Carmarthen , sort of south west Wales. Been around this area for 34 years now .
Lived just outside Oswestry for about a year in the early 80's , but other than that , been around and about the same area since 77.
cheers
Russ
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Having read your posts, Russ, I think I may have found my solution to the EOTW.
All we need to do is send someone in under cover of darkness to nick your glasses, then, in the morning, we all just walk in and take over, cos you won't be able to hit anything with your bow. ;D ;D ;)
Then you'll be working for us. MMWUAHAHA :P
bugger... you spotted the weakness... that's me done for then !!!! where's the noose ? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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<<As for the dead end bit ... yep quite right ... so do I go and throw a rope over the nearest branch and swing ? Dead end or not , it would take a good few peeps to get me into the noose , I will only leave this planet kicking and screaming , I will not just lay down and give in, no matter what . >>
Hi Russ. I wasn't being rude with the dead end bit, just realistic. Not much point in being the only survivor. There are all sorts of possible ways in which we might find ourselves in a post-a-poxy-clipsy scenario. A tsunami here isn't unheard of - there is geological evidence of a huge one in the neolithic, when Britain was still joined to Europe, which took out the east coast and may have been the cause of clearing out the channel and north sea. That is thought to have been the result of a big chunk of the Norwegian shelf collapsing. Then there are written records from the middle ages of a tsunami coming up the Bristol channel and wiping out a large area. All sorts of other disasters, natural and man-made, are all possibilties. We do live on a wonderful Earth, but every now and then she itches and scratches and shakes some of us off ;D
I am not pouring scorn on your ideas at all, but I don't think you have thought it through beyond the self-survival bit. Britain is sufficiently highly populated that 'the authorities' - in this case the military - would still be effective, and Britain is also small enough that every single smallholding is mapped. So, you would not be able to hide your location, nor could you defend it on your own. However, you do have a trump card in that you have a store of knowledge about the skills needed to live without modern technology which would be irreplaceable for the future of the country. So instead of thinking along the lines of trying to keep everyone else away and ending up dead, you could use your knowledge and skills to teach others how to survive - heaven knows few enough have the skills today.
I have seen all the disaster movies too, some more realistic than others, and all are fairly gloomy about how human nature will pan out to turn the world into a war zone. I am totally naive but nonetheless I'm with I think it was ellied who said it would be an opportunity for a new and co-operative society.
And you could be King Russ ;D
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My OH is always talking gloom and doom, he said last year that Japan could be in for a big quake and now he is talking about America. What ever is going to happen will, as far as I am concerned the world has never stopped changing and will go on regardless if we are in it or not.
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hello fw,
I really don't sit down and think it all through at all really . I just live my life and think , now and then , about what if ? . If there were a collapse of society then , the armed forces to an extent would step in , but there comes a point where they can do nothing , and they would just be looking after any of TPTB that are left over , or whatever.
Over the last few years we have had ever increasing demand for data and information from the government , about us and what we do etc . , even info about the land we work . I just tell them to f*ckoff , and they do , end of .
All forms about my land are filled in with "f*ckoff... none of your business" . They did send the forms again a few times telling me I had filled them in incorrectly , i just replied that I hadn't and that I meant f*ckoff blah blah blah ... and to stop hassling me, and they actually replied saying that they were sorry , no more been heard from them .
So they won't have too many details on my little bit . Plus they wouldn't be interested in my piddly little bit anyway .
I really think you have the wrong idea of what I am doing . I am JUST living my life , doing what I like doing .
If certain things happen , then I will cope as best I can .. that is it . Am I worried about the armed forces driving out to my place to get what for them, would last a few days ... no not in the least . I grew up in an army family and I still know people in the forces now . I have a good idea of what would happen and what wouldn't... like I say , the army is the least of my worries. Some tit wondering around looking for food would be more of a worry then the army.
My level of teaching is .. "go read a book and do it " !!! I just want to live my life without hassle , and in the main I do . For those that want to open their doors and share their life with their fellow man , good luck to them , I don't . I have my friends and family and that's enough for me . In some apocalyptic other world existence , things may be different , till that arrives , I do what I do .
cheers
Russ
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I feel that the Earth and the Universe are doing what they always did - change and move. We are just a coincidence in between, not nice when it hits us. shame that human error (thanks, Mr Oppenheimer) makes things so much worse for everybody and everything alive :'(
we can be prepared to a certain degree through being self-sufficient as much as possible but I feel my dependency on oil, electricity, mobility all the time. Who said that awareness is the first step to improvement? Buddha? Wise man ;D :&>
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http://www.cheniere.org/ (http://www.cheniere.org/)
problem solved lol.