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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 07:17:15 pm

Title: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 07:17:15 pm
hi all
ive just sent some pigs to slaughter
im selling for £50 a quarter to friends and family
im just wondering how that compares to the supermarket prices
i know ill be more expensive and i dont mind because the quality is a lot higher
does anybody know how much per kg pork is at moment    leg/ shoulder/ chops
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: manian on March 02, 2011, 07:33:33 pm
you'll actually be cheaper
we sell for £120 hlf a pig and it averaged out at £4 a kilo
we have been told we have sold for too cheap
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Hairy Hogs on March 02, 2011, 07:42:43 pm
As I have ranted before we sell for £175 a half, butchered up, and dont exactly make a huge profit!!!

It maty be wise to re-check your figures! ;)

Regards
Jason

www.hairyhogs.co.uk (http://www.hairyhogs.co.uk)

P.S. Your meat should be dearer than a flippin supermarket, its been reared properly I guess?  Its also cost you plenty to keep, and it will taste like its a different creature all together!
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: NorthEssexsmallholding on March 02, 2011, 07:58:34 pm
charge more than the supermarket, the meat is far better quality, you actually cant compare it to supermarket produce, you have to pay for quality and usually once people have tasted it then they know that its that much better and will pay more.
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 08:06:22 pm
i think ive been misunderstood
i want to know the supermarket prices so i DONT sell too cheap
£50 is just a start to friends and family
i dont want to be as cheap as supermarkets and probably couldnt
i NEVER use a supermarket so dont have a clue what they charge
thanks
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: bloomer on March 02, 2011, 08:09:36 pm
surely you need to calculate what they cost you to produce

divide by dead weight and thats your cost/kilo to produce

add a bit for profit

thats what you need to charge

i don't keep pigs but i do understand business

there are lots of threads on the subject some with example costings as its amazing what people forget otherwise.

 :pig: :pig: :pig:
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: The Woodsiders on March 02, 2011, 08:11:51 pm
Just sold full butchered British Saddleback, dead weight 69.9 kilo to family for £6.00. a kilo, they were delighted with the quality
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 08:15:02 pm
is dead weight with head and bones etc
or just meat???
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: bloomer on March 02, 2011, 08:24:40 pm
bones included minus head usually, particulally if your selling quarters and halves. its easier to do the sums.



Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 08:33:00 pm
my weight was smallest pig 54kilo
cost £105 to buy and rear
thats just short of £2 per kilo cost
if i double up and sell for £4 a kilo
thats £216 for a whole pig
split into quarters is £54
not a million miles away from £50

think i might charge £6 per kilo tho
so back to original question
what are supermarkets charging
i heard its about £4 kilo
thanks
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: bloomer on March 02, 2011, 08:39:08 pm
tesco website

between 2.50 and 8 per kilo depending on cut for joints

more for medalions or chops etc.
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 02, 2011, 08:44:36 pm
thanks
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Tudful Tamworths on March 02, 2011, 10:00:41 pm
I sell for £120 per half, £65 per quarter, or £6 per kilo leg and shoulder joints and chops.
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: HappyHippy on March 02, 2011, 10:13:18 pm
cost £105 to buy and rear
Can I be really nosey and ask for a break down of your £105 - that's REALLY cheap compared to most.
I won't be offended if you don't want to tell me, but it might help others keep their costs down too ;)
Don't forget to count your straw/bedding costs and killing/butchery charges too.
Karen
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Hilarysmum on March 03, 2011, 09:40:42 am
When you package your meat shove in a copy of Jimmy's farm and Duchy of Cornwall prices.  Your pigs are at least as good as those. 
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Mr Pig on March 03, 2011, 10:01:59 am
Remember the following.

If a pork pig weighs 75kg before slaughter, the carcase sent to the butcher will be around 50-55kg.

By the time he has butchered it including removing bones, head etc, and trimming  you are likely to end up with 35-40kg of saleable produce.

Selling at £6/kg means your income is £210-240. Now deduct the slaughter and butchery costs which may be £50 or so you are almost certainly selling at a loss.
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Blonde on March 03, 2011, 02:37:01 pm
bones included minus head usually, particulally if your selling quarters and halves. its easier to do the sums.  Dead Weight(dress weight) is the body minus the head, front hocks and the internal organs.   You ae paid on the meat and bones of the animal  from the slaughter house.  The abattoir keeps the head and the internal organs and the front hocks and sellfs them seperately or as a joint sale to a butcher.    The organs that are not used for human consumption  go in to  meat meal.  The blood goes to make blood meal.  The  heart valves are exported to the States for humans transplants.



Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Hilarysmum on March 03, 2011, 02:39:53 pm
The  heart valves are exported to the States for humans transplants.  

Honestly???  (seriously would like to know is it true??)

Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Blonde on March 03, 2011, 03:02:42 pm
Pigs and us a similar internally....do you think I am joking.  If I was in need of a transplant and that was all that was available I reckon I would take one instead of dieing.  I have girls to look after and who would look after them If I was not here to do the job.   Any volunteers.  Transplants are not a new thing nor are they a thing  of the  past  but are very real.........  and will be well in to the future of our lives and our childrens lives.  In order for the human race to survive.  Whether it be lungs, kidneys or hearts.  Why waste material that can be successfully used to help those  who may be in desperate need........ help to continue on with their lives.  Why end it if it does not need to end.   
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: manian on March 03, 2011, 06:44:11 pm
The  heart valves are exported to the States for humans transplants.  

Honestly???  (seriously would like to know is it true??)


they use pig valves for valve replacements in this country. it is better than having a metal one and requiring warfarin for life. i believe the pigs are bred specifically though
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: dizzydexter on March 03, 2011, 07:16:57 pm
of cause
£20 for 12 week old weaner ( saddlebacks were £4 at market last week )
i buy 55kg of feed (bocm pauls olympic ) from local farmer for £10
feed 2kg per day for 4 months thats 240kg
total feed bill £45
slaughter £10
butcher £25
about £5 on straw but not too sure as i buy in bulk as i have dexter cows
can i be really really nosey and ask what yours cost
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: robert waddell on March 03, 2011, 07:34:45 pm
dizzydexter can you tell us who this farmer is
BECAUSE HE IS SELLING THE FEEDING AT A LOSS
£300 a ton just now       your costs must be the cheepest
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: HappyHippy on March 03, 2011, 07:41:24 pm
God yeah ! PM me his number, I'll drive down from Scotland to pick up a tonne at those prices  ;D ;D ;D
I'm nearly £8 for a 20Kg bag of farmgate grower/sow & weaner, so your feed prices are GREAT !
My initial purchase cost is generally around the £40-£50 mark.
Slaughter £20
Butchery £40 approx (80p per kilo)
Adding in straw & fruit 'n' veg etc, I'm sure my costs are closer to £180 a pig.
Keep doing what you're doing DizzyDexter, but beware of upsetting local pig farmers if you sell at a price way cheaper than them  :-\
Karen
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Sudanpan on March 03, 2011, 09:35:11 pm
I did a no profit costing of keeping a weaner from 8 weeks to slaughter at 7 months and came out at £175-  and that was before the feed costs went up  >:(
And that didn't apportion any costs for fencing/arc/electric fence and certainly not my time!
Tish
Title: Re: supermarket prices
Post by: Hilarysmum on March 05, 2011, 03:05:41 pm
Blonde, I had no idea this was the case.  If they are bred for the valves what happens to the rest of the carcass?  I think its fantastic, especially if it saves human lives or gives a better standard of living.