The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: kaz on January 07, 2011, 02:24:58 pm
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Morning rounds and 1 missing Ryeland yearling. Nice skinned fleece lying in field and not much else.
I cannot imagine the mentality of some people. This sheep must have met it's end with some B.................. killing it for their own gain. At this stage haven't gathered them all up yet to see who is missing, but knowing our luck of late probably the only one that I have registered to my coloured flock last year. It just makes my blood boil.
Dyfed Powys police trying to tell me that some farmers skin their dead lambs to foster on orphaned lambs and thats how fleece got there. Must have been a big bird to carrying it to our field as no farmers farm alongside.
As far as I am concerned this a major issue. It has taken me years to build up this flock without the police taking the mick.
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there was me thinking(actually knowing)that the Scottish fuzz were stupid it seams it is a major plus point before they join
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I should think there is quite a big difference between a newborn lamb skin and the skin of a ryeland yearling too.
What a bummer Kaz.
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Oh I am so sorry that has happened kaz. Bad enough when your prize hogg dies suddenly but to know a person came and stole it and killed it right there is horrible.
Don't let the police get away with joking about it - it's your livelihood and a crime has been committed, which they need to take seriously. You will recognise the skin of one of your sheep and you should also be able to work out its individual number, by a process of elimination - this is somewhere that compulsory tagging can work in your favour.
Sheep rustling is on the up apparently, and although this is only one animal it is still wrong for someone to appropriate the property of another for their own use without recompense.
Go give it to them :o
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Kaz, that's atrocious! I think I would have the perpetrator hung, drawn and quartered. I wonder if it would have happened if we still had 'village bobbies' or a proper rural police force who actually took the time to drive around their area rather keeping an eye on things rather than spending precious time sitting in wait for speeding motorists who do 5mph over the limit!!! >:(
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That's terrible. I can imagine how I'd feel if it were one of mine. Make a BIG fuss and get taken seriously.
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I'm speechless. Sounds like someone who knows what they're doing too. Awful
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The forces that be, the last I heard was having to refer it to his duty sargeant. If they thought it was worth taking it further they would have to come and take a statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's raining here so probably didn't want to come out and get wet. The nearest police station is 10 miles away.The manic who killed this sheep, probably by slitting it's throat, probably has buyers lined up for the meat.
I makes me wonder what things are coming to. Ryelands are the most docile of breed and are very trusting, so probably someone has probably been gaining their trust to allow it to get near enough,if they haven't got a dog.
I'm still seething about it. What a waste. If I wanted to have it slaughtered I would have taken it to someone licenced to do it.
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Is there any way you can move your sheep somewhere safer/nearer to your house for a while at least? It may not be too clever to go round night patrols, if anyone comes ready prepared to kill and butcher an animal on the spot they would be carrying a knife and maybe be prepared to use it.... (and that's where the police should get involved in - carrying such a knife surely is illegal!)
But this is horrendous, take pictures, number of the police men (they have to give it to you when you speak to them), then go to your Councillor/MP and the RSPCA/SSPCA.
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i feel so sorry for you and the poor sheep. what type of horrible person could do something so awful, i would pester the police make them pull there finger out, waste of space that they are.
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I had a friend that lost a small flock to rustlers. All she found in the morning were remains!. We used to go Glenshee a lot and once found a load of legs and bits on a river bank that were not there the day before. We were told rustlers. They must be well organised and have been watching the regular activity of the owners to know when they can strike, and thats what upsets me ,the knowing you are being watched beforehand. So make notes of any parked cars etc.
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Sorry to hear that kaz. Get yourself a stop motion camera and set it up somewhere discrete in the field where it won't get spotted. It runs off batteries, no wires and you playback via your computer to see what has been going on whilst you weren't there. You can backup the pics to computer too.
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how awful Kaz . :(
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I'm sorry too Kaz :'(
It's disgraceful that this happened in the first place, but even more digraceful the way the police are reacting >:( Give them hell and point out the matter of the thief carrying a knife, a BIG knife - there has been a crime committed and unless they're caught and stopped it'll happen again.
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there was me thinking(actually knowing)that the Scottish fuzz were stupid it seams it is a major plus point before they join
Please don't make such sweeping generalisations on this forum based on someone's occupation.
Apart from being patently ridiculous, stating that all Scottish police officers are stupid is offensive.
I'd be grateful if you'd desist from this type of post in future.
Thanks,
Dan
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Sorry to hear that kaz. Get yourself a stop motion camera and set it up somewhere discrete in the field where it won't get spotted. It runs off batteries, no wires and you playback via your computer to see what has been going on whilst you weren't there. You can backup the pics to computer too.
Don't know anything about these but might be an idea, as this has definitely unsettled me. Hubby not too good for coping with this sort of thing.
What exactly do I need?
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Good god....whatever next.....that is terrible thing to happen, so very sorry Kaz.....and police need a lesson in sizes of sheep >:(
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We live in what is called urban fringe which means we have the benefits of town people dumping their rubbish in our lane plus slow broadband and lousy mobile phone coverage. We're ten minutes from Luton airport and five minutes from the M1 which means that thieves can get away really easily. Everyone in our road has lost machinery from sheds, or had stuff dumped on them. From the police side we have an above average crime rate which is trending upwards and includes armed burglaries.
So we have an electric gate which stops sightseers driving in for a look around, CCTV cameras around the property and we use an alarm system. On the back of our experience I'd make some comments
1. You need an awful lot of cameras to cover fully the exterior of a house with outbuildings
2. Cheap cameras with cheap lenses give crap pictures. A fuzzy picture of a bloke in a hoodie doesn't help. Every vehicle coming on our property has its number plate filmed with a high res camera and the time logged. It's handy to know who's called or tried to enter (and we change the gate codes every few months cos lots of people get to know them)
3. Wireless systems tend to be low-resolution
4. cameras with built-in LED's work quite well at night but suffer from flare in fog or rain (or Scotland) and the heat attracts spiders who build webs across the lens at night so that the motion detection feature is triggered. Gusts of wind also trigger them.
5. The horses each have freezemarks and chips and we have signs up
There are starting to be lots of farm systems sold because farmers are huge targets for theft around here. Lots use mobile phone technology which is very cheap (if there's a signal) and can be concealed in a tree or suchlike. Some will simply take still pictures if triggered by a PIR while others will phone you if movement is detected. Position is very important: you don't need calls telling you that your sheep are walking around.
Apparently you're not supposed to film passing cars on the road outside, at least youre not supposed to be seen to do it. The main road along the far side of our property however has a pair of police ANPR cameras prominently mounted just where a vehicle would have to go to steal our livestock. We take the view that we are making it hard for the casual thief to work without being spotted, and the cautious thief will go somewhere else when he sees the hardware. But we always also make ourselves prominent with hi-viz jackets, floodlights and big torches if we suspect an intruder: we want to scare them off not catch them.
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Something like this Kaz:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=260625
Good for use when too far from the house for the usual CCTV. Hide it away a bit when you position it so it is not obvious to see.
Best wishes.
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We live in what is called urban fringe which means we have the benefits of town people dumping their rubbish in our lane plus slow broadband and lousy mobile phone coverage. We're ten minutes from Luton airport and five minutes from the M1 which means that thieves can get away really easily. Everyone in our road has lost machinery from sheds, or had stuff dumped on them. From the police side we have an above average crime rate which is trending upwards and includes armed burglaries.
So we have an electric gate which stops sightseers driving in for a look around, CCTV cameras around the property and we use an alarm system. On the back of our experience I'd make some comments
:o :o I deal with alot of south african clients where security is very high on everyones list but that list of security protection is horrendous! I am so sad that things in the UK are like that! I live in a community where everyone knows everyone and their business it can have its down sides but also its a positive when you consider its the best kind of neighbour hood watch system there is!
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Don't think it happens too much in the uk....We don't personally have any security other than the odd chained gate and down here in the west mostly its neighbours, farmers and smallholders all looking out for each other so we are very much like France down here. I think other parts are a bit different though....but have to say I know Brittany better than ooop north here :-\
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Good heavens Kaz, that's so awful - I'm so sorry :o
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if anybody is going down the camera route you have to have signs statting that they are being recorded or it is inadmissible as evidence
also on cameras your local Tesco (if they will allow you to have a look at their system)have the best cameras as do the banks but are expensive 2 cameras and full system £1800 but what price security as i have found out you cannot solely rely in plod i will stop myself there before i get another 40 lashes
Africa now there is a country that is serious about security 2things i like about it they had a production v8 sierra no cant say they other thing
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No they rolled back the legislation on the signs for domestic CCTV users. At least they did in England.
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Our lane is regularly redecorated by local donations. Mind you some of the batch of a dozen car tyres dumped over Xmas have been used for holding water buckets. As well as stability they help prevent freezing.
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Oooh!!! Pictures like that really make my blood boil >:(- nearly as much as rustling sheep!!! What on earth is the matter with people these days, they are just so damned SELFISH!
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Absolutly terrable makes me as mad as a hatter too
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What I don't understand is if they can be bothered to load it up and drive it to your lane, why don't they just take it to the skip? ???
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having a flooring company i understand why, its because once you have loaded it from your clients in your van you have to pay for the disposal, the rubbish tips will not accept commercial rubbish for free, so once they have it on there van they will run down a lane have someone in the back and chuck it off while moving at speed, it happens near us too...
very hard to catch them
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Yes, that's true here too - I recently took my builder/joiner to our tip with rubbish from his van to save him the £35. All I had to do was drive and show my residents card at the gate!
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Thats terrible news kaz, especially when we think we can rely on the police to look into something seriously - and they obviously didnt. Why do all pay for a police force, dont we?
On the side note, its really hard as a small business to cover the cost of rubbish disposal - I am in no way endorsing dumping, but the cost for disposing stuff as a business is massive. I think about all those plastic bottles I recycle in my rubbish every week - then I think of the huge pile of farm wraps and feed bags I have - surly it would be more economically viable to pick up as much plastic on one run ie collect all my plastics at once.
Even garden waste has to be licensed to carry as a small business - its biodegradable for goods sake and can be used to produce energy!!
I think there needs to be more separate levies on waste disposal and transportation - certain things cant be disposed of without massive costs - and other things should be disposed of and recycled as a service from the system we pay for as tax payers.
I also live in a pretty relaxed area thats looked after by neighbours, we also live in a dead end road with no main roads for miles - I obviously wouldnt want to advertise on a public forum for gangsters and burglars but lets say nothing is really tied to the floor like when I used to live in the city - for a start any burglar would need to be towed out the yard at this wet time of year.
When the tourists come in the summer we have to tighten down - locals dont tend to rob each other :)
Hope you can find some solctice in that we are all wishing you the best in finding who has taken your livestock kaz.
Baz