The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Blackbird on June 06, 2023, 10:10:41 am
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Hello everyone - I haven't posted on here in ages, but always interested in others' posts. I have a tiny flock of sheep that I keep for their wool. I have a Shetland ewe of about 11 years. She's never lambed and there's no chance she's been 'jumped' by a ram. She's always had larger udders than the others, but after having her shorn yesterday I can see they seem to be much bigger. They don't seem to cause her discomfort and she's healthy and happy. Has anyone any ideas what might cause this please? Could she be a 'maiden milker'. (She's not easy to catch so I haven't tried to test for milk) (http://)
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I've never come across either maiden milkers in sheep nor such a swollen whole udder in a maiden ruminant. (The udder is the whole organ, so is always singular - unless referring to the udders of several females collectively. Individual sections of the udder are called "quarters", as they are in cows, even though the sheep usually has only 2!)
I did have a heifer became swollen in one quarter, which the vet called "felon", just clear liquid, no evidence of infection. She had a benign wart on that teat which had pulled the opening open, so we imagined a fly had got in and caused the reaction.
I'd want to get my hands on her and check for heat, hardness, discomfort and yes, milk. Any of the first three she needs urgent treatment (try udder mint if it's very mild, otherwise she will probably need antibiotics.)
When you say there is no chance she's been jumped by a tup... What about unknown fertile males? Could she ever have been kept with an imperfectly castrated wether or a natural rig (one or more testicles internally, could have been mistaken for a ewe lamb when checking... it happens!)? Internal testicles can become fertile in extreme cold; we and many of our farming neighbours had unexpected lambs born on May 10th/11th one year after a real deep freeze (sub -10C) in the mid December previously!
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Thanks Sally, I've just caught her and felt the udder - no heat or hardness and she doesn't flinch if I palpate it. No sign of milk from the teats (of which she seems to have 3!). I've sent some more close up photos to the vet and am waiting for them to give me a call.
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Update: Had a chat with the vet - she suggests that as the ewe is otherwise happy and healthy and shows no sign of infection, or discomfort when udder is palpated, the cause may be a response to oestrogen from the clover in the grass. That's not something I've ever heard of - may be of interest to other TAS-ers? Will keep a close eye for any changes of course. Meant to add that she definitely can't be pregnant as the only male in with them is a 12 year old wether and I think any undescended testicles would have dropped by now! ;D
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Oh! I had completely forgotten, it was so long ago now... but yes I *have* seen it before, a flock of 18 unbred gimmers all suddenly bagged up after being moved onto a fresh sward rich in red clover! Well done your vet, sorry I didn't recall that earlier.
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That's really interesting about the clover. We have clover but mainly in the tups' field - maybe that's why they're such ladies :D 8)
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I bought empty 12 ewes from a breeder who was giving up. Come spring with the lush grass they all bagged up to the point that I called the breeder to ask if they could be pregnant. He said it was not possible as the ram had died and there were no other rams about... by the end of summer udders shrunk to match my weaned dry ewes and then they were tupped and pregnancies and lambing progressed as normal... I think in my case it was the flush of good grass. Not a phantom pregnancy but certainly something hormonal due to the good grass and change of season. In any case, they were fine so long story short unless she looks poorly I would not worry too much :)
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We had a couple of cull ewes a few years ago - that supposedly couldn't have been anywhere near a tup. Until 3 of them lambed about 2 months early ::) we then found out the neighbours stock fencing wasn't soo good & they had tup lambs in for July & they crossed the river to get to our ewes!
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i see you already have your answer from your vet, but to confirm i have also had a non breeding yowe "bag up" every year. Vet checked previously- not infected and only clear fluid comes out, so we now leave it as im more concerned i will introduce infection by opening the teat. We concluded Is due to good grass and yes we have clover (though white clover) in the pasture. I think maybe non-breeding is not "normal" (even wild sheep breed annually) so thats why goats and sheep tend to do odd things when we dont breed them (i had maiden milking golden guernsey goats a long time ago too)