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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: princesspiggy on December 17, 2010, 08:23:22 pm
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what do u think about animal charities that raise money to feed commercial breeds? a place we visited last year had quite a few abused horses and cats etc, which was really sad, then a few rabbits which is nice for kids to look at that. then in the barn it had commercial xbreeds of sheep, some ex-pets, some young, some elderly but all there "for rest of natural life". i personally (now u may disagree) thought that this was so bizarre. the place in question (no names ) have been in severe financial trouble for long time. why would you fundraise to feed commercial sheep when they could be killed for meat? and that feed could have gone to feed other needy animals? if they were rare or exceptional breeding animals that would be different. there was also a tamworth which from which i could gather had no real purpose. im sure his breeder intended him to slaughtered by 1 year. and they arent cheap to feed. what do u think?
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some strange folk out there the whole point of animals is to eat or work (if you cant keep one eat one) but then i might be strange and get it in the neck for this
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Russ
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i know but interesting conversation
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your fault princesspiggy
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i actually heard the intake of breath after i posted it. bin thinking bout it for a year, just wondered what others thought.
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well you got my view
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the whole point of animals is to eat or work (if you cant keep one eat one)
I don't entirely subscribe to this - we have 2 pet dogs and three cats, one of who doesn't leave the house (the other two are great mousers but we'd keep them even if they never caught another rodent), and two ponies that might doa bit of work next year, but that are really kept for our pleasure - but farm livestock has to earn its living, even if we don't expect as much as a commercial farmer would have to.
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well we have two cats never out the house(they would get killed on the road have lost a huge amount to spading motors) and five dogs not one working yet collies a black Shetland pony good bloodlines rosemary has taken the words out of context with the posting
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what about people that keep commercial hybrids as pets, where parents are different purebreds and all offspring are destined for meat. so in reality there should never be any elderly hybrids as none are for breeding and all will be killed in first year. a friend of a friend, has a hybrid pig, that literally fell off back of lorry, is completely huge pet, but i wondered what health problems it might have with legs carrying all that weight as its breeder never intended it to live a long or healthy life.
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well its against law to eat cats dogs or horses in uk. so they need care for rest of there life - responsibility shared between breeder and owner. just fundraising for a charity (and i did donate for few years before visiting) to find the money goes on sheep - not rare breeds either - but some wifey that had pet lamb then changed mind and gave it to sanctuary, that should really be in food chain. maybe feeding underprivileged kids!! or even the abused cats? just my view
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never knew that some butchers used to sell cats as rabbits that was after the war German sausage is horse is it not and dogs well there used to be Asian restaurants that used dog i think it is taking it to far that breeders are responsible after selling
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i dont know about importing, but sure u cant kill them here? i mite be talking rubbish. i breed ponies and i would (somewhat romantically) like to think that i would be able to advise or assist if any came upon hard times. as i brought it into world anyway. but i also had a duty to that animal that it was bred properly in first place to be sound in body and mind enough to live a useful life. is there any reason we dont eat carnivores in uk?
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I think I have to stand on the fence on this one , I couldnt eat Digby
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i couldnt eat bobby, but im not reg charity asking for donations. totally for rare breed projects etc and places that have work placements for disabled etc. there was prison project in australia getting inmates to train wild brumby horses to rehome. was really successful apparently with cutting numbers of re-offenders.
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I'm not sure I see the point of these animal sanctuaries. The one near us is full of ancient sheep and unwanted male animals of all descriptions. I have given some of my time to help out in the past as , if you are going to keep these animals alive, they need to be looked after properly and they never have enough help/money but I do feel uneasy about the whole thing.
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keep changing my mind on this one.....
i think all animals should have the right to live well... (as i'm sure most of us do which is why we breed our own animals)..... they didn't choose to be a hybrid and are as deserving as pure bred animals. (the rspca doesn't kill mongrels)
as long as people donating to the charity know what they are donating to then it is no different than us keeping some animals that we have grown attached to as they were poorly.
i would rather have places so that children can learn where meat comes from and have the chance to pet animals, than for people to have micro pigs etc
well thats my thoughts at the mo but may be different in half an hour!!! ::)
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at one of the shows this year lady and o/h asking about keeping pigs one of the things i ask is what are you intending to do with you pig o just keep it your not going to fatten it and eat it o no i could not eat anything i feed i don't even allow the cockerels to be killed well what if you swapped it for somebody else,s pig o thats a good idea eh whats the point is it just that i have been brought up on a farm or am i hardwired to the tasty succulent mouth watering vision of pork lamb turkey chicken and anything else that we can produce
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well if youve seen cockerals or rams fighting and injuries u know they cant all play happy families. stallions will chase their sons away after certain point. our shearling ram got into our pet ram's (dear bobby) field this winter and severely beat him up, cut his head and face, and gave him an absess on eye. nature can be cruel, not good enough to breed from so will be going to butcher very soon, (actually long overdue so my fault and could have bin avoided) and theyre meat is sooo good. bin holding off actually cos really wanted to keep the skins, anyone know how? seems such a waste not to have them back.
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i observed bulls fighting one was ours the other was our neighbours fist encounter ours won the rematch our bull was getting beatten in steps me and lethered the shite out the neighbours bull not to be recomended younger and fitter and ours was worth more than his the animal kingdom is like the glasgow dance halls
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do boars fight bad?
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to the death
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was at aviemore (i think) wildlife park, they keep preswalski (woteva) ponies, they only keep stallions. one whiff of a mare and will kill eachother.
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a bit like wegies
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? tried googling that - got wedgies!! :dunce:
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no totally different wegies is Edinburgh for a resident of Glasgow
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gotcha now! our ex- neighbour was a wegie, so i agree! >:(