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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Fleecewife on October 27, 2022, 05:29:08 pm
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We know that without commitment and drastic action by the whole world, the human race is doomed by the effects of mankind-induced Climate Change. No I'm not a raving loonie, just a scientist looking at the facts.
So why is Britain not sending our new prime Minister, his Chancellor, and our Monarch to represent our country at the discussions? Something more important to do? NOTHING is more important to our species than survival.
There are plenty of superlatives I could use to describe how shocked I am, but they are all now overworked and meaningless. Everything seemed so positive last year at COP26 in Glasgow, now Our country can't be bothered?
Does anyone know who from Wales, NI and Scotland will attend? If Nicola isn't going then I shall stop voting for anyone anymore!
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/23083659.rishi-sunak-snubs-cop27-egypt-visit---nicola-sturgeon-set-attend/
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/23083659.rishi-sunak-snubs-cop27-egypt-visit---nicola-sturgeon-set-attend/ (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23083659.rishi-sunak-snubs-cop27-egypt-visit---nicola-sturgeon-set-attend/)
Phew :relief:, after I'd written that I realised I didn't want to stop voting ::) . Good for you Nicola Sturgeon :thumbsup:
What I don't understand is why King Charles doesn't just go. He is the King after all and he really is concerned about climate change. Maybe he will decide at the last minute to attend.
Does no-one else on TAS care about what's happening to our planet?
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Does no-one else on TAS care about what's happening to our planet?
Yes of course but the question was answered
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I do care, and i vote accordingly - but other people voted these clowns in and the clowns will keep pandering to the fossil fuel industry until they're voted out.
I do hope king Charles does go too, but I expect he's still being pressured not to go by 'downing st'
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Does no-one else on TAS care about what's happening to our planet?
Yes of course but the question was answered
No, there were a couple of questions. I was hoping to open a discussion on the apathy towards Climate Change by the population and those who apparently lead us. Are we all just exhausted by Covid? I feel that way a bit but I am also immensely disappointed by the lack of any of the promised progress following COP 26. There was such a sweeping positive vibe then. Or do people just have short attention spans? Even I sometimes thing 'oh, are we still banging on about Climate Change? But we have to keep at it, we have to cause a change in attitude and approach to our planetary problems and start making some pretty big changes to our behaviour. Many nations are consumed with anger at this apathy and selfishness from 'developed' countries and we just sit here like fat cats.
I have a feeling that David Attenborough, who feels so strongly about the whole problem and its solution, is going to die before anyone actually does anything that will make a real difference. Maybe that's what it will take.
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Rather than flying to Egypt perhaps King Charles would prefer to attend via zoom, thus reducing air pollution
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If COP27 had the foresight to set that up it would certainly assist the cost in harm to the planet - does anyone know if they have?
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Does no-one else on TAS care about what's happening to our planet?
Yes of course but the question was answered
And the planet will be better off without us anyway. It will survive even if we don't: the sh1t weather and radioactivity will both persist after we've pretty much wiped ourselves out, but it will survive !!
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Too disillusioned to care about COP and most of the current climate change angles.
The anti meat, milk, which I’m not into.
The obsessive tree planting by numbers game vs total amount carbon captured per hectare over lifespan of trees. They seem to just like to focus on the millions of trees planted. Little regard for the endless damage caused by importing trees to fit the bill. Still not banned I see.
Not much help for farmers wanting to do regen ag. (or organic I believe) as in financial security in initial years of loss of yield/teething problems.
Next to zero help for trying to set up local organic veg box scheme and community growing/outdoor ed scheme. The politicians love the sound of our work but there’s zero govt money to back it up.
I’ve not been abroad in nearly nine years. I’ve friends who bang the drum for low carbon who fly multiple times a year and lecture me about eating Scottish steak and my harmful wood burning stoves.
Electric cars are currently a bit of a nonsense especially in this country with the grid near capacity and 3-7 day black outs last year in my neighbourhood.
Those at the top are still in their jet planes. When they give them up I’ll listen. Otherwise I couldn’t give two hoots about the celeb list for COP.
I know that this constant fear mongering has to stop as living in doom and gloom and guilt mode will also be killing us. It’s constant in schools with no signs of abating which is terrifying as teenagers are now being diagnosed with environmental depression and suicides based on the environmental reality “The world would be better off without me” as mentioned above are now a reality which families are having to deal with. I’d rather they switch off the noise about climate change for a couple of years.
I’m all for reducing pollution, reducing packaging, moving away from consumerism (#ban all advertising?), renewable clothes and energy, recycling, growing our own, eating seasonally, Uk holidays, loving nature, working with communities to love their environments and source/grow local food. Not interested in what internationals want to preach. If Nic was so bothered why is Scotland still extracting oil? Shouldn’t that have been stopped by now? I don’t understand the big international picture and how it’s ok for us to extract oil so long as we’re not using it..? Or doing a bit less than years ago..?
China built 60,000 miles of motorway last year, the reality is that while we should do what feels right, whatever Britain does will likely make zero difference to global emissions.
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I agree with everything you have posted [member=28951]Steph Hen[/member] ,but now I have retired and am living on a very tight budget I can't afford to care too much; just keep expenditure to a minimum. Yes, there is a huge amount of wastage by those who have so much money they haven't even bothered to think about the environmental impact of it.
So what can we do? So what can we do??? Reality is nothing much. We keep limiting our damage but we are all wrecking the planet, just some more than others.
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So what can we do? So what can we do??? Reality is nothing much....
Well you can vote - not for the one who has the best TV personality, but for the policies - and no, they're NOT all the same; that's just the excuse of people who can't be a***d to look into it an go and vote.
Regardless of who actually gets voted in, you can write to your MP and ask them about their policies, push them on issues that matter to you, and if they don't answer badger them until they do ( though you may want to give them several days grace - to be fair they do tent to be busy).
I suspect a lot of us on here already do quite a bit - growing our own food & and fuel (for woodburners) at least.
COP27 is important, as is our representation (or lack thereof) - we are perceived as a wealthy country, and one of the industrialised nations that have enjoyed the benefits of getting rich by use of fossil fuels, so we need to be seen to be making commitments to persuade others to do likewise.
It might seem like we're too small to make a difference compared to China for e.g., but i think we still have a higher per-capita carbon footprint than China. Also we (and other western industrialised nations have a track record of failing to meet out promised commitments to renewable installations wheras China tends to promise less but then exceed what they promised.
I believe the UK is responsible for about 1% of global emmissions and have about 1% of the population making us about average; that doesn't sound too bad, but then the entire continent of Africa is responsible for just 4% of emmissions (pop 1.4 billion - 17%), and in that context we should certainly be doing more.
Sorry I'm rambling on a bit, and i do sympathise with Steph Hens POV about doom and gloom - i listen to R4 and they seem to have switched, around 2 years ago, from climate change denial to an almost constant stream of climate gloom. I do suffer from 'Climate depression ' and it can make it difficult to get up in the morning, but it also pushes me to try and actively do SOMETHING - even if it's just badgering my MP :) , or getting on my bike instead of driving for a short journey ::) [size=78%].[/size]
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If Nic was so bothered why is Scotland still extracting oil?
Energy policy is a reserved matter to Westminster, so ScotGov cannot stop it. It has said it will orevent fracking and coal through the planning process, which is devolved.
I'm not an expert on oil, but I believe there are different kinds, and North Sea oil is "higher quality". If we stop, there will just be more low quality oil extracted elsewhere.
I don't think ScotGov is perfect, but it's making progress. The tree planting is depressing - especially with plastic tree guards.
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Agree with everything that Steph said.... have totally switched off. For my own sanity I make some environmental-positive decisions and not others...
I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site...
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I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site...
So don't discuss it. I'm not sure it is politics - certainly not party politics.
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I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site....
I agree, we should not be discussing the pros and cons of each devolved government, but the UK government MUST be held to account as it holds power over and controls all the devolved nations
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I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site...
Sorry, i don't intend to be political, climate change should not be a political issue. There's no question that we (human beings) need to be doing more about it.
But as different political parties have very different priorities... - hence my emphasising importance of voting.
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I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site....
I agree, we should not be discussing the pros and cons of each devolved government, but the UK government MUST be held to account as it holds power over and controls all the devolved nations
Why just the UK Government? It doesn't "control" the devolved governments in devolved matters (except, of course in the matter of budgets).
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Does no-one else on TAS care about what's happening to our planet?
Yes of course but the question was answered
And the planet will be better off without us anyway. It will survive even if we don't: the sh1t weather and radioactivity will both persist after we've pretty much wiped ourselves out, but it will survive !!
That's a given. The planet will survive. Doing something about Climate Change, slowing it, preventing it, whatever, is about saving the Human Race and our home. Sometimes I do wonder why, but then I remember all the wonderful individual people I have and have not known. Yes there are some who don't seem so worthwhile, but perhaps like wasps and death watch beetles to Nature, they are essential parts of Humanity, we just don't know why.
Perhaps those who talk the talk should rename it Project Save the Human Race - I like that :sunshine:
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Agree with everything that Steph said.... have totally switched off. For my own sanity I make some environmental-positive decisions and not others...
I thought though we do not discuss politics on this site...
Everything we do and say has a 'political' aspect to a greater or lesser degree. If Dan thinks we are discussing politics then he will turn us off, but if he sees that we are discussing our very survival and our contribution to it then he may let us carry on. Party politics has to come into any discussion about our survival in the face of climate change, because any major changes to reduce our warming world have to be the decisions made by politicians. There are endless things we can do on a small scale, but the big, glamorous, game changers will be Politics led. It makes me cringe because all politicians have a short term view which acts against the long term decisions we need. Yes, we must vote to try our best to get the best people onto the job then keep them on track. One person doesn't make a difference, but lots of people of the same mind do, and the more we discuss Climate Change and its impact on our survival the more people there are of like mind to influence the decision makers. It's not a perfect system but it's what we've got to work with.
I'm sorry to see you opting out [member=28951]Steph Hen[/member] but I find [member=2177]mab[/member] 's comments to be positive and encouraging - we just have to carry on doing everything we possibly can. You can't and shouldn't shield children from life. I grew up in the Cold War and it was terrifying for years. But to pretend to your children that our Earth is jogging along fine and it's worth their while to plan a future for themselves, is to deny that if we don't slow down this hell for leather dive to destruction of our race then our children have no future. I have children, grandchildren and the possibility of great grandchildren looming, so I will do everything in my power, small as it is, to ensure their future. Don't stick your head in the sand Steph, step up and defend your children.
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Rather than flying to Egypt perhaps King Charles would prefer to attend via zoom, thus reducing air pollution
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Perhaps Joe Biden and his enormous cavalcade of planes, lorries, cars and body guards would like to contribute by zoom too. Compared to that, even the Middle Eastern Potentates in their private jets are small fry in their damage to the planet and hence to us.
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It’s ok, we do loads and I love discussing things with them. I like to operate with actionable solutions and skills which is empowering.
School and media had a tendency to operate on the big thinking which is scary.
Eg On puzzle sheets each colourful, single use page had a maze, colour-in, etc. As well as ‘doom facts’ about loss of biodiversity and endangered species, extinctions and habitat. Every page. A multiple times daily drip feed of this negativity is only harmful for 3-8 year olds. This age group aren’t empowered to decide where they go on holiday or how their family heats their house or how many children their parents choose to have!
Where as a discussion about choosing an apple snack over a Cadbury chocolate is a great project starter. (Transport networks, packaging, habitat, health, etc.) Or deciding whether to buy new Lego or second hand with pocket money). Valuing eggs, fish and meat on the dinner plate. Composting. Actionable for children=empowering, in my opinion.
My son was very sad recently when he found out about the energy cost of heating water. “Swimming pools are really bad mum. But I like swimming...”
Sorry for the overly detailed post, I am on side!
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It’s ok, we do loads and I love discussing things with them. I like to operate with actionable solutions and skills which is empowering.
School and media had a tendency to operate on the big thinking which is scary.
Eg On puzzle sheets each colourful, single use page had a maze, colour-in, etc. As well as ‘doom facts’ about loss of biodiversity and endangered species, extinctions and habitat. Every page. A multiple times daily drip feed of this negativity is only harmful for 3-8 year olds. This age group aren’t empowered to decide where they go on holiday or how their family heats their house or how many children their parents choose to have!
Where as a discussion about choosing an apple snack over a Cadbury chocolate is a great project starter. (Transport networks, packaging, habitat, health, etc.) Or deciding whether to buy new Lego or second hand with pocket money). Valuing eggs, fish and meat on the dinner plate. Composting. Actionable for children=empowering, in my opinion.
My son was very sad recently when he found out about the energy cost of heating water. “Swimming pools are really bad mum. But I like swimming...”
Sorry for the overly detailed post, I am on side!
:wave: 8) :sunshine:
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Well I read your post about 5 times [member=28951]Steph Hen[/member] before I realised you were actually writing some kind of English but a far different version than I am used to. I still can't understand what you are saying because it has terms in it I don't understand at all. I'm not criticising you- it's been 10 years since I was in England and clearly things have changed. "Empowering",'the big thinking','doom facts' (well I presume they are facts not Infox, so they might be bad but you must live with them). They started using 'buzzwords' in Engineering just before I stepped out of it and perhaps it has become widespread? Grandson said to me years ago- "you're a dinosaur Grandad".
I've seen this in French classes in England. We went to them only to find that what we were learning was 30 years out of date. They don't talk like that anymore, so despite learning 'French' it was next to useless.
Sorry, I'm not contributing to this thread but......
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It has been mentioned tonight that King Charles contributing to COP27 with a virtual message or a video link 'has not been ruled out' ie it's a possibility.
The reason I think it's important that the King of Great Britain should make some contribution is because the world expects it so it would be a slap in the face for other countries if he seemed not to bother after his lifelong interest in Climate Change and its effects on the Human Race.
He is also organising a get together of the 'climate' movers and shakers ahead of COP27, presumably to consolidate the UK's approach and see if we have made any advances this year. Well, I'm pleased with that as a second best - our King hasn't given up!
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Ah well Dishy Rishi has decided to join Nicola and go to Egypt now. Will they share transport I wonder :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: