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Food & crafts => Food processing => Topic started by: shetlandpaul on December 03, 2010, 01:43:07 pm
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the wife in her wisdom has promised one of our pigs legs to someone. they arre happy to pay what would you roughly charge for a whole leg of pork. ive never done it before so im somewhat lost. i don't want to give it away but i dont want charge to much.
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I don't have pigs so I just paid around £25 for a large leg of Blythborough Free Range Pork, from a London butcher, for my salami project.
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I've been charging £70 for a quarter pig, these are my first ones so i had to guess, but everyone seems happy, i would say £20 - £25 is fair.
Rob. ;D
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I sell 1/2 a pig at £130 so would be looking for £35 to £40 for a leg.I think Olly398 got a real bargain at £25.
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i suppose it would depend on the size of the leg ???
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Hang on, just checked my maths and I may have misled you a little...
I paid £100 for two legs and two shoulders. I'd just divided by 4 before, but that's not fair because legs are heavier than shoulders.
So probably worked out at £30 plus for each leg.
Sorry for my blooper, hope this helps!!!!!!
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Just ask at Whiteness and add a bit.
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thanks folks. has they were ment to be off tomorrow it was just right for the guy for christmas. but due to the slaughter house being snow bound we will have to delay there going by a week. pity they are stuck in the byre as its to bad out for them.
i will speak to whiteness hermit.
i think its a good deal £25 for slaughter plus 30 for butchery.
i was guessing a leg at about 15kg
ive tried to explain that i can't say how much its going to cost because ive no idea of how much they will weigh. its hard to explain to someone that its impossible to know untill they are cut up. they same guy wants a turkey that weighs 14lb. again i explained that we have 3 turkeys and until they have been sorted its a guess what they come out as.
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Did you manage to get a trailer? The names I gave your wife all have pigs and I dont know if they are allowed to take someone elses due to whatever quarantine rules on the trailers if there are any. Never thought of that.
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no the slaughter house was snow bound. so it will be next week.
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Bixter garage should be getting a load of trailers in off the boat today, we have been waiting all summer for Garriocks next to the LBC to get some in. Garriocks are the cheapest. The small stock ones are roughly around two grand depending on ramps, gates, sides, brakes etc.
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alas for the two grand. oh the wish list if we had the money. i think we will watch ebay for any cheapish ones coming up in the north of scotland.
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We looked at buying and transporting but works out roughly the same.
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Shetlandpaul: on tv last night there was a ham being prepared for Christmas; it weighed 7kg and had cost £75...
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thanks eve. the girls are booked in again for wednesday. touch wood it should be ok this time. have asked if we can watch the killing. i think we should as its part of the process.
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My daughter went to a London Farmers Market yesterday a v. small leg of pork bone in was around 25 - 30 £
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have asked if we can watch the killing. i think we should as its part of the process.
I agree, and I want to see it as well from now on. I'm not sure yet how I'll deal with it, but if you eat meat then really you ought to be able to face up to that part of it... :-\
We heard of an acquintance of ours who says (behind our backs) that she is horrified that we can have our own animals killed - what dreadful people we must be! Yet she buys supermarket meat... ::)
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Oh Eve that is the standard remark from people who leave their brains in the car when they enter a supermarket. my response now is a link to any of the sites showing how pigs are really reared in elevages. Doesnt change their mind but does shut them up for a while.
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yes its a very unrealistic view. they don't seem to understand were there meat comes from. they think pigs are just to cute to eat. now of course they are very friendly wilst chewing on a bit of you. but please these folks are totally lost from there food.
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people who leave their brains in the car when they enter a supermarket
;D ;D
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eve, wev had that, how cud we raise them and then eat them? especially feed them to your kids? in my opinion meat youve raised yourself in a safe happy environment is the best way to do it if you have the opportunity. it teaches kids the real value of meat. we eat mainly veggie unless we have killed it ourselves. a friend did our shopping for us when we were stuck in snow, bought loads of chicken joints etc. i felt quite appalled. so many chicken killed and packaged with no thought to them at all. a minute ago my toddler walked past a cockeral hanging in porch waiting to be plucked, and casually mentioned that was for dinner. id rather she had that knowledge rather than those kids on KFC advert on tv stuffing chicken in their mouths with idea at all. (il get off my soapbox now but feel strongly about this!) :farmer:
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Your children are lucky, I was embarassingly old before I learned that bacon comes from a pig and not a cow! :-[
Cheap meat looks revolting to me - 3 chickens for £10 but they were treated well?? Puh-leeze! I just can't buy that stuff, I'd rather have no meat at all. I started having pigs because I knew my husband still bought ham sandwiches (yuck!), and then I fell in love with the little darlings... :love: :pig: :love:
Hopefully it'll be our own chickens from next year. :chook: Let's see how many people will accuse us of being cruel but happily accept some free eggs! ::)
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thats it exactly. our neighbours said they couldnt possibly eat an animal they had seen walking around the week before. i said id rather eat an animal thats had a happy life, she looked at me as if i was so strange! tho i do admit after we had our 1st pigs killed, i couldnt contemplate eating them for about 2 months. it was a steep learning curve that took a while to digest (excuse the pun!) heres the odd bit - i was a vegetarian for 7 years cos i was concerned about their welfare, but now i can rear it myself im happy to eat it. :-\
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:wave: thats got me thinking, my friend is a veggie - because her dad use to shoot rabbits, pheasants and deer etc and she use to see them hanging - put her off. and if you asked my kids, theyd rather eat KFC anyday - i do hope they turn into sane adults - lol ;D
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Did you get them done Paul?
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nope. ruth chickened out this morning. had the trailer ready just the blowing snow spooked her. i don't blame her it was nasty a 7am. looks like they are going to have a christmas after all. pity really they are getting big 104 and 114 kg.
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@Princesspiggy:
i was a vegetarian for 7 years ... now i can rear it myself im happy to eat it
Same here!
A friend's father used to shoot as well when she was a child, and they ate everything he shot. But the rest of that meat-eating village considered my friend's father barbaric, and one day she came outside where her little doll's pram was standing, and someone had put a dead bloodied rabbit in it!! :o :o
@Paul: they'll give you something to talk about with the family over Christmas! Piggy-back for the children!
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bunny boiler comes to mind! thats actually shocking.
wer u a veggie too?
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thats the whole point of rearing it yourself you know it has had the best life and it has given its all to provide you with the tastiest meat possible
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"But the rest of that meat-eating village considered my friend's father barbaric"
Its about time school children were taught exactly where meat comes from and how it is reared.
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kids should be taught cos i was town raised and i had no idea at all. had to teach myself. i at first thought ud need cockeral to get eggs!
and 1st time i gutted chicken, i cudt work out what the big hard lump was! knowledge should be passed down. im teaching myself jam and bread making but i wish id learnt it as kid.
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Same here, plus I had a mother who only cooked bog standard food and wouldn't even prepare a red cabbage because it coloured her hands! :censored:
Now I have this hunger (excuse the pun ;) ) to learn everything there is about real food. I'm slowly but surely getting my head around things but I so wish someone had taught me properly.
The 2 years of cookery classes at our school were useless, btw, they didn't actually explain how things worked and it all tasted either burnt of bland - we were really pleased when the kitchens were turned into IT rooms! :D
Pastrami coming up next, I wonder what it will be like... I think we've strayed a bit from the original topic of the price of a leg of pork ;D
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matters not. as they guy won't be getting it before christmas now anyway. just seen an ad for turkeys free range white double breasted £5 per lb.
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eve that must have been the same school that lillian went to for two years i thought i was a greek god comming home to burnt offerings
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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was at australian party once and they cooked a kangaroo in a hole in ground with loads of burning hot stones covered it and left it for a few hours. how cool is that! they called it a Hungy, obviously not frozen solid there ha ;D we made rowanberry jam this yr thanx to hugh fw, and sloe vodka... hic... :D
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thanks eve. the girls are booked in again for wednesday. touch wood it should be ok this time. have asked if we can watch the killing. i think we should as its part of the process.
i asked if i could watch - wasnt allowed. they let hugh fw tho!
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He had the cameras...
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i had a old work colleague that was ex-abattoir man, i casually asked if they really did all the stunning b4 killing etc he said they didint bother half the time, jus killed em. dont know if that was true but u dont know what goes on behind closed doors. i used to work as relief in nursing homes years ago, and they way some old people were treated , i wouldnt treat my dog like that. i dont think ud know unless u were there everyday. i think u should be able to watch, cos that would keep them right.
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cattle stuned with captive bolt gun then hung up throat cut to bleed with heart still pumping skinned gutted feet of cut in half into chiller still ha
ving muscle spasms pigs the last time i saw it they were electrocuted with tongs cant say about sheep hallal is throat cut with a prayer said i think your man was having you on happy hippy will be along to comment on the granny farming
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lol ! yes, here I am :wave:
My mum and dad's care home was small, family run. We only had 19 residents at most and my mum's a trained mental health nurse (she's also a little hitler and TOTAL control freak !) needless to say our levels of care and hygiene were very good indeed ;) I worked as a dispensing optician for a domicillary eye care company in Glasgow for a while and visited care homes the length and breadth of scotland - I saw some awful things and also some very lovely things (but you don't hear so much about them ???) I think that the bigger homes where they have managers for this and that doing so much time on paperwork, they don't have the same level of care, sure they'll do the work, but don't actually care for the people - "it's just a job". And those are the one's that NEED all the inspections ! My parents opened the home to care for people, not to make money. It ran for 20 years, closed 3 years ago, with big debts - but I can honestly say, hand on heart, that our level of care was superb ! Anywayyyyyyyyyyy, rant over - what were we talking about ?
Oh yeah, abbetiors, lol ! If they're not killing humanely, there will be a taint to the meat from the adrenaline released by the animal when under stress. This would be quickly picked up by suppliers I think, and looked at. You've got to trust your gut in these cases, speak to people who use the abbetior, check it out for yourself and remember - if they've nothing to hide, they won't mind you prying ;) ;D ;D ;D
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We had a friend who had very strong rules on what his family could eat, game keeper shot game birds, rabbits and deer. his idea being that wild animals would have no chemials in their meat. I got very fed up with him one day as one of his sons had been down to see his gran and had eaten a bacon sandwich, his dad went mad, this boy was 17. I asked him a simple question where do his wild animals feed, on the local farmland. Some fields have crops other grassland. What do the farmers spray on their crops and fields to kill weeds etc i asked him. he looked at me as if I was stupid. We knew he collected shot deer and hung them in a very dirty run down building. he bought the cheapest supermarket bread. Nothing you could say would have changed his idea, his way was right. :farmer:
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change a man against his will
he,s of the same oppinion still
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Anybody ever done the killing at home? After what happened last time at the abattoir... >:(
If anyone is planning on a home kill in the next 6 months or so, I'd very much appreciate the opportunity to assist / watch / clean up the yucky bits - even if it's at the other side of the country (seriously).
:love: :pig: :love:
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depends on the weight of the pig
you have to be able to hoist it up(of the ground)
tractor loader or teleporter even a forklift
shed with concrete floor a good supplie of running water
and a suitable drain
now the hard bit killing it
a shotgun with goose shot or a rifle now the licence holder has to be authorised to do this with the rifle
be carefull as the bullet can travel more than a mile also some pigs can be double sculled
lift it up cut its throat skin it gut it hose it down cut out the anus hose it again th en cut into handleable pieces cut/chop/saw clear up mess then enjoy your pork/ gammon/bacon &sausages and it is only for your consumption
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what animal r u wanting 3 watch?
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@ Princesspiggy: pigs, though it might be just as interesting if it's lamb or cattle - it's just to see the whole process and how people organise it
@ Lillian: all of that covered except someone to do the first cut (the disembowelling). The farm where we keep the pigs is like an agricultural Antiques Roadshow, they have every possible tool and machine ever invented hiding there underneath the cobwebs!
:love: :pig: :love:
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i had a old work colleague that was ex-abattoir man, i casually asked if they really did all the stunning b4 killing etc he said they didint bother half the time, jus killed em. dont know if that was true but u dont know what goes on behind closed doors.
They are stunned automatically. I can give a graphic description if needed. For the most part the pigs are respected, as the slaughter man said, if the pigs are stressed the meat is tough. There are cameras in all our local abattoirs. Most are brain dead before throat is cut, if not the slaughterer calls for the euthenasia callipers before finishing.
This is my experience of several abattoirs here. I am sure the UK which has high level of animal welfare rules would be better.
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Home Kill:
A rifle is ok or a gun but its not always as clean and quick as would be expected. Ideally a humane killer gun would be best.
I knew of a French person who wanted the pig hung by a back leg before being dispatched. The leg broke in 3 places. Would therefore suggest pen pig in small area and dispatch before hanging.
Most difficult part of a home kill is removing the hair. If not done properly hairy crackling. Its also a problem disposing of the guts unless you are able to burn them. Abattoir have several processes in place to keep hygiene at a very high level. Not available to home kill.
Have done both (customer wanted home kill) and personally prefer the abattoir for quality finish. Just my opinion though. None of my pigs are stressed through the abattoir process.
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Thanks, HM!
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