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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: twizzel on March 09, 2021, 07:03:06 pm
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I have a ewe that had a caesarean 48 hours ago- for the first 24 hrs she was eating well, but last 24 hrs off her food totally. Tried ivy, cut grass, coarse mix, nuts, hay, silage, barley. She picked straw when I bedded her pen tonight and has licked her lifeline lick half heartedly but that’s it. She’s retained her afterbirth and the vet saw her today for which she’s had a cocktail of anti inflammatory, calcium, glucose, vet only antibiotics, oxytocin and vitamins. But I need to get her eating and wondered if anyone had any grand ideas I've not tried yet :thinking:
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Carrots?
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Carrots?
Really ?! I can try :roflanim:
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Our sheep love carrots - they squabble over them - but they have to be hand fed. They won't have them in a bucket lol!
Good luck with your ewe.
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I have tried making a porridge of digestive biscuits in water, then feeding into the side of the mouth, over the tongue, using a large bore syringe (no needle obviously) a little at a time. Hold her chin up a little until she swallows. The best type is a catheter tip syringe, the kind used for a lamb feeding tube. Digestive biscuits will give her sugar and roughage, which might keep her rumen going. If she likes that then she will progress onto bits of biscuit, again pushed onto the back of her tongue, which have the added incentive of crunchiness.
If your trees are starting to break buds, she may take leaf buds and pussies from willow if you pick them for her, or stems of sprouting broccoli. I'm sorry I don't know where you are Twizzel, but you may have cow parsley leaves appearing, she should love those and clover.
These should start her wanting to eat again :fc: but I expect she's had enough for a while.
Is she passing urine, wind (both ends) and pellets? If not stand her every time you go to her.
Good luck.
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Turned her nose up at carrots :roflanim: chewed them up and spat them out. Won’t eat ivy or grass put into her mouth either.
She is drinking, urinating (I think), not really passing poo as she’s not eating anything to digest. I wouldn’t mind betting her rumen has packed up to be honest, it wasn’t moving much when the vet listened earlier. She has no problem standing, in fact she is stood nearly all the time. She just stands facing into a corner mostly. I think if no improvement in 48 hours I’ll have to put her down, sadly spent enough on what is already a cull ewe. Her lambs are taking a bottle readily :unwell:
I’ll have a look for some cow parsley tomorrow.
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A shock such as surgery can cause the rumen to stop functioning, so it is important to detect if she is burping or passing flatus. She won't eat if her rumen has stopped. Put your ear against her side to listen for borborygmi (a grand word for bowel sounds) Try the digestives, even without making porridge if you are short of time, just in case they help. Even if this ewe doesn't survive, it will be good practice for the next one you do want to survive. It's early days to give up on her.
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Went to the shop, forgot the biscuits :roflanim:
The vet suggested drenching with strong coffee which we’ve done, and is dropping out a sachet of off food powder so will mix that up later and give it her. She’s bright enough and wants her lambs, but just won’t eat. Apparently the caffeine in coffee kick starts the rumen and gets the guts going again, so hopefully will see some improvement soon.
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Fingers crossed for her (and you.) It's a good sign she is interested in the lambs. We had a ewe took a while to come right after a caesarian, the vet said to leave the lambs with her, even though we were having to bottle feed them, "to give her something to live for".
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Fingers crossed for her (and you.) It's a good sign she is interested in the lambs. We had a ewe took a while to come right after a caesarian, the vet said to leave the lambs with her, even though we were having to bottle feed them, "to give her something to live for".
Absolutely. I let her out of her pen this morning for a leg stretch and she called and took her lambs with her. So that’s something I guess :thinking: I won’t take them away yet, just top them up which isn’t a problem to do.
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Has she had a good shot of B complex to stimulate appetite and Pro-Rumen to help gut flora? Small amounts of anything are good at this point... grapes may be worth a shot.
She had neovit (vitamins) yesterday. Tonight she had 2 litres of off-feed drench which is specifically formulated to get the rumen up and running :fc:
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Seems the coffee got her guts moving, and the off feed drench sorted her rumen... she's eating this morning and chewing her cud :excited: :excited:
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Brilliant news! I've never heard of giving them coffee before... Possibly a safer source of caffeine to Irn Bru, which was what I had been going to suggest if she still wasn't right!
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I’ve heard of it used in cows. For reference I used 4 big heaped tablespoons (must be caffeine, not decaf) mix to half a litre of warm coffee. It was strong :roflanim: but it got her guts moving. Then she had 2 litres of off feed drench which given how frothy it was when I mixed it, obviously had plenty of yeast and gut bacteria in.
She’s still not cleansed but has plenty of antibiotic cover. :relief:
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I’ve heard of it used in cows. For reference I used 4 big heaped tablespoons (must be caffeine, not decaf) mix to half a litre of warm coffee. It was strong :roflanim: but it got her guts moving. Then she had 2 litres of off feed drench which given how frothy it was when I mixed it, obviously had plenty of yeast and gut bacteria in.
She’s still not cleansed but has plenty of antibiotic cover. :relief:
Was this proper coffee or instant? And if proper, did you filter the grounds out?
What was the drench you got from the vet?
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Instant Nescafé gold blend :roflanim: She had Selekt Off Feed drench, 100g to make a 2 litre feed. It’s mainly used in cows but obviously works in sheep too :thinking:
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Oh, I am using Selekt Glycerol drench for my goats (freshly kidded and off food) and have found it works really well. They do tend to lick it off the drenching gun after a day or so... and start eating again fairly soon.
I will put the note on the coffee in a safe place, I am lambing a couple of older ewes this year....