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Smallholding => Land Management => Topic started by: egghead on June 23, 2019, 10:05:40 am

Title: CPH number help
Post by: egghead on June 23, 2019, 10:05:40 am: I bought our smallholding in 2008 I got a cph no. 843/7004
I have just found out this is a domestic no. with no land.
We have 5.75 ha .I would like to get a agri cph no. as I
have been making hay and haylage for 7 years now.
I have bought all the equipment for this and want to
build a metal clad building for storing my tractor etc and store hay.
I have filed in aregistration form online and now have to do a
land maintenance form.
Please can anyone tell me of pitfalls to this???????????????
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: macgro7 on June 23, 2019, 10:55:42 am: What? Domestic CPH???
I thought CPH is for land at the particular post code. Obviously you need to provide home address for correspondence etc as well.
I think you might just need to ring DEFRA again, as far as I remember your CPH expires after 2 or 3 years if you got it but never had any animals (I.e. never used it).
They will obviously update all your details etc.
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: harmony on June 23, 2019, 11:11:48 am: If you keep your micro pig in a high rise flat you would get a CPH number for the flat. Or you might have a building where you winter cows or raise pigs. Not sure "domestic" is the correct term but yes it is possible to have a CPH for buildings only.

I don't think a CPH lapses. No pitfalls I know of for obtaining one.
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: landroverroy on June 23, 2019, 01:15:46 pm: Quote from: egghead on June 23, 2019, 10:05:40 am
I bought our smallholding in 2008 I got a cph no. 843/7004
I have just found out this is a domestic no. with no land.
We have 5.75 ha .I would like to get a agri cph no. as I
have been making hay and haylage for 7 years now.
I have bought all the equipment for this and want to
build a metal clad building for storing my tractor etc and store hay.
I have filed in aregistration form online and now have to do a
land maintenance form.
Please can anyone tell me of pitfalls to this? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
Yesterday I see you said you had .575 hectare. Which is it? With 5.75ha you will get permitted development to put up your building. With .575 - you won't.
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: bj_cardiff on June 23, 2019, 09:09:09 pm: Quote from: landroverroy on June 23, 2019, 01:15:46 pm
Yesterday I see you said you had .575 hectare. Which is it? With 5.75ha you will get permitted development to put up your building. With .575 - you won't.

I'm confused too..?
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: macgro7 on June 23, 2019, 10:46:00 pm: Is the threshold 12 acres or 5 hectares?
We are bidding for 12.20 acres (4.94 hectares)... just in between
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: Buttermilk on June 24, 2019, 08:53:53 am: 5 Hectares
Title: Re: CPH number help
Post by: egghead on June 24, 2019, 07:01:35 pm: OOPS
Sorry folks I have recalculated it is 0.65 hectare ( zero, point, six five )
The scottish land maintenance form which I am filing in states
domestic holding is less than 0.5 hectare in which case I believe
that we are agricultural holding.