The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: farmerswag on October 06, 2008, 10:21:41 pm
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This will be the first year that I have tupped my own sheep :o :o We have pedigree sheep which is what I imagine that most people here have and have been advised to put the tup in earlier rather than later to allow for maximum growing time before the breed sales. I am thinking of putting the tup in at the weekend, he has 45 to do, a mixture of ewes, gimmers and hogs. Do you think this will be too early? I have enough space to bring all the sheep in to lambas at least one of the hay sheds should be empty by then and an additional shed which houses the lambing pens. Just worried there might not be enough grass here up north ??? ???
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partly the answer will depend on the breed of sheep. lowland breeds will come into season earlier than upland breeds. our suffolks have had the tup running with them since early july. the mules were running with them after 6 weeks and have only just started coming into season. because we sell boxed lamb we have a long lambing to spread out the lambs fattening period, but we do use our oldest tup lambs for selling on as breeding stock.
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I'm hoping to put the tup in 5th November, to start lambing 1st April. Reason? I'm on holiday 1st two weeks in April.
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Hi Rosemary i'm planning on the rams going in with the ewes around the same date i don't like early lambs and I am hopeful to keep the lambing season reasonably short. are you expecting the ewes to all cycle within a short period of the ram going in? just wondering how many late nights i'm going to h ave to deal with :D
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If the Ram can get them all within one cycle then your lambing should be done within a month :sheep: If you change the colour on the tups harness every month then that should let you who has taken and who hasn't and whether your lambing will go past a month. The first time the people we bought our tup from told me about a Ram harness I must confess I thought it was either for handling them, taking them for a walk or pulling them off the ewes, doh!!! The OH was unimpressed to say the least!! Told me not to talk for the rest of the time at the farm :-X :-X
If anyone know a way of shorting the lambing period then it would be every much appreciated. I'm just glad I have alot of willing people to help so hopefully not too many sleepless nights for me
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thanks I have four rams in four breeding groups. ( I am playing around with colour;) I don't use a harness on my rams i don't really need to know dates as such and also a fair proportion are black. but I was wondering how likely it is for ewes to cycle quickly.
last year I put the ram in early but he was a very young ram still didn't get any lambs before mid april. but the one ewe i bought in sept was already pregnant by another ram when i bought her!
this year the rams are more mature and I will be a little more patient even though the rams are already doing their nut!
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My goodness!! I was considering getting some Suffolks next year and was worried about having 2 different breeds, please tell me how you do it? I am convinced that mine would all escape and I will end up with a lots of Suffolk cross Llyens.
My tub is pacing up and down the fence looking lovingly towards ewes at the moment then periodically goes off to fight with the wedders to vent his frustration, very mean boy. I hope he is as keen when he gets in with the ladies and gets it all done quickly. What a life !!!! :sheep: :sheep:
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well if I pull it off i'll let you know!! ;D
I am hoping that the ewes will mostly get taken pretty quickly meaning that there won't be loads of ewes on heat to get boys next door too excited; they will be busy with their own ewes as they are all the same breed its not a complete disaster if there is a mix up but I don't think its likely to happen; Ouessants aren't great big meaty breeds so the fencing should hold but between some it is a fence post with wire on both sides so effectively its double fenced. I learn't this after last year ::)
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Hi Farmerswag
If you put one of your wether lambs in with the ewes for a week or so before you put your tup in he may encourage your ewes to start their cycle so that they are ovulating well when the tup starts to work. Hopefully this will mean a quick start and quick finish. BUT if you have more than 40 ewes use 2 tups as the poor boy will get VERY tired
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I have 42 ewes for him to do, he is a four year old and he knows exactly what he is doing. He was covering commercially last year and did 60 plus so hoping that is up to the task. Your idea about the wedder is a very good one, might go and chase one of them up the hill to the ewes today so can get them into the mood before 'Bob' goes in at the weekend.
I do have another boy lined up incase Bob in not up to the job!!
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evening all, just thought id mention that we use powder raddle that you mix with water only a little then spread it on rams chest this works really well and is much cheaper, feel it is a big outlay for a harness when youve only a handfull of sheep. wear disposable gloves as i spent 2 days at work with red hands and fingernails and some funny looks from customers when surveying! I dont like lambing early because of weather early in the year been told traditionally you put the ram in on bonfire night. we use red orange and green powder and it lasts for ages cheers neil
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now i'm interested where do you get the powder from?????
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Hi kanisha
I am putting my tups in from 27th October as my ryelands are being put to a friends easy care ram this year and he is moving them then. the powder raddle is easy to find doing a google search but farmrite have it.
http://www.farmrite.co.uk/category.ds2?c=343 (http://www.farmrite.co.uk/category.ds2?c=343)
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Brilliant thanks i'll be ordering some of this any do and don't s from those that have used it?
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countrywide supply powder think we also bought some from shows, dont know what area your in but its easily avaliable. just been out to the shed its called mastermark raddle powder comes in 1kg tubs made by rowland sandwith ltd,wimbourne dorset 01202 882323 have fun neil
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I have some of this powder..........do not mix it with water unless you want dyed sheep or for it to wash out all over the place!!! Mix it with a little cooking oil instead. It needs to be applied frequently with a large spatula or stiff brush...........I now use raddle harness if anything as its too bloomin fiddly :D :D
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remember that you will probably have to re-apply it to the tups chest every 4 days or so. Otherwise the colour may not last till lambing time - fine if your boys are easily caught. Did my back in this year catching the new boy
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Well after posting this, the tup went in on Thurs. with the other halfs advice that he would spend the first week at least just chasing them around and they wouldn't be cycling yet, well............
He was so wrong, I have seen him on the job TWICE already and they only get checked once a day, never take advice from a man on birth control.
Must try and get his harness on today. Left him in a bit of land gated outside the ewes field while I went to get the harness out the tractor, the OH started yelling and turned round to see my tup running at the fence and clearing a 3ft9 post and rail fence!!!!! Decided after that supreme effort he deserved to be out with the ladies.
Wish my horses would jump that well :horse: :horse:
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This is my first year and although I only have 5 ryeland ewes I have an old tup - 8 years old. After reading all the comments on this post I thought it might take him some time to do the job and a while for the ewes to come into season. Well! I put him in at 3.10 and by 3.20 he was going full steam :o We went out and when we came back 2 had blue on their rear ends ;) I didn't think it would happen so quickly :)
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Well my boy has managed to make himself lame he was that keen!! Randy boy!! Picked up some new gimmers and ewes yesterday and when I went to turn them out noticed that the tup was looking a bit lame. Its a front leg and apparently thats not so bad as when hes working they aren't doing anything. Spoke the vet who said as we had the tup in early not to worry as there is plenty time but if he is not right by the end of the week to jag him with anti inflams, can't wait for that! Can't wait long enough.
On a different note bought a book about sheep for my wee boy, aimed at 3 plus, and when reading it to him found the glossary at the back and found this definition -
'Tupping' - sheep sex
V childish but found this v amusing
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:sheep:im trying to start up a small flock of beltex .firstly i got 2 females and 1 tup bout 3mths old.
last week i bought 4 more ewes they dont seem to mix much but last nt i noticed the tup lamb trying to tup one of the older ewes and hes only 4mths old how should i deal with them ? need some advice please
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he's too young.
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I used to leave the tupping to my rams, not personally!
Regarding raddle, always mix with veg oil, Lidls do some cheap stuff dont nick the wifes like I used to,start with the lightest colour and work to the darkest so you can see if any ewes keep returning. Too many and there is a problem either with the ewe or the tup!
I used to go yellow-blue or green, red, black and change the colour every 14 days, ewes cycle about 17 days, so you can observe any repeats.
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Ram Harness far easier, start lightest colour first through to black last or adjust colours for darker fleeced sheep, changing crayons every 18 days, keep a note of dates marked and the colours and only run one ram with Ryeland ewes so that your pedigree lineage is correct.
Powder is so messy and you need to re apply every few days and it seems to go everywhere except the ram especially if he doesn't want to cooperate.
My tups normally go in in Setember and we lamb late Feb/March but climate a bit milder here than Scotland, so adjust as necessary.
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And don't forget, you must be able to identify your ewes individually too.
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My tups are out now!!
They went out on Sunday (after sponging) and using a harness has indicated he's "jumped" half already!!
We do lamb inside , making it easier. We do 100 ewes and also 10 Jacobs, 10 texels and some favourites.
Next month we do another 150 ewes.
Roll on lambing time!!!!