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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: doganjo on March 15, 2014, 09:45:13 pm
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I know it's just a big mystery at the moment but i can't stop myself flicking from news channel to news channel to see if there's anything new. I just feel so bemused and helpless - and feel heart sorry for the relatives of all those on board and for the passengers themselves - I just hope they are still alive and that they get out of this situation.
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It must be horrendous for the families, not knowing what is going on or if their loved ones are alive or dead. How can you hide an aeroplane?
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I keep checking online for details but theres not much info.
there wasn't much said about the multiple stabbings in china(?) a few weeks back either. I saw it once on the late night news channel and that was it.
we only get told what they want us to know unfortunately.
on the news this morning, they were suggesting the plane was possibly terrorist / ransom, and that the radar thingys were turned off on purpose before it flew 5 hrs to somewhere in asia. they said if that was the case then it would be hush hush whilst they negiotiate a deal. the plane could be hidden in a hanger, as china doesn't have much technology to find it. so they say.
that is one of my worst nightmares, really puts me off flying, not for myself but because you cant protect your kids in that situation. they said there were 2 infants on board, even if they are all still alive, they would have no food/milk etc left after a week. truly truly awful.
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Shygirl do you take your kids in the car. Over 3000 people die every year in car crashes and planes crash hardly ever it is safer than walking down to the shops.
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I know. ever since 7/11 iv had a fear of planes, not of flying or crashing , just the terrorist part of it and being unable to escape. cars don't bother me as I feel in control of those.
we lived in N.ireland for a few years and the terrorist part there didn't bother me, its just being stuck in a plane with the Barstewards.
I also have a fear of being the kids drowning so I did a lifeguarding course so im prepared !! :roflanim: yes really.
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I can't say i am upset by it…. sure its sad if people have lost their lives, but life has its ups and downs …
bad stuff happens… everyday..
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Very sad for the people involved, of course. Curious about what's happened. And sure there must be several books and a movie deal coming.
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Moral of this story : . :rant:
Tizaala - please stop this becoming some kind of hate statement.
Edited to remove offensive comments
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they could be "british".....
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We can only hope the people are safe and will be found. Its all very strange, in this day and age you would think it would be impossible to hide a plane !
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I think it is very callous to say "bad stuff happens… everyday.."
Of course it does, that was NOT what I was speaking about. I intended this to be a sensible and perhaps enlightening thread for discussion Please do not lower the tone - anyone!
This specific incident is concerning on a number of different levels, and takes nothing away from any other incident where people have been maimed or killed.
It is an intriguing mystery and as Rosemary says may lend itself to a good book or film in the future - when all the information is known and the plane or wreckage has been found.
I agree we aren't getting all the information but there are very good reasons for that
1. The Malaysian authorities don't as yet know an awful lot
2. To protect the families of the passengers and crew from speculation as to what has happened
3. Security for other planes currently in the air or about to fly.
4. Many other countries are now involved in looking for this aircraft and that involves their country's security too
I'm sure there are other reason we don't yet know about.
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There is a very good chance that *IF* it has been hijacked, the hijackers have demanded media blackout or the government have, whilst negotiations take place. Even in this day and age, I'm assuming media silence is possible?
I guess we all have our own ideas how and why whatever might have happened but each situation has to be considered on its individual circumstances, we don't need to consider this linked to 911. yet. Lets just hope there's a reasonable explanation and that it is all sorted soon for those on board and their loved one.
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Your heart can only go out to the families involved !
Yes I think everyone in the world must be hoping they are found safe and well !
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who is lowering the tone….the question at the top of the thread says…. Is anyone else upset by the plane incident?
my answer is no…. why is that callous..just because i have a different outlook to life than you… I refuse to let the worlds problems drag me down…. I donate a lot of personal time working with children with disabilities..they have hard and bad days most of the time….
I did also say it was sad …. but to answer the question once again, i will not let it upset me….
and Bad stuff does happen every day..thats not being callous..thats being realistic…….
work on facts….. NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING YET…..ITS ALL SPECULATION ……
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Aliens ???
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Aliens ???
lol
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It would seem I was taken literally so I have changed the title to 'concerned' - I am upset for the people involved, as I am for any other incident where there is loss or harm to human life, but I am also concerned about the many implications of such an incident. That was why I started this discussion, to see what concerns other people have.
It would appear the pilots have been ruled out as the cause of the ACARS and transponder being switched off.
One final thing: if this aircraft flew low over land, and people on board knew there was a problem, why did no-one try to make a phone call?
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It's a fascinating mystery at this stage especially given the technology in aircraft these days and Malaysian are not a Micky mouse airline. They are a very reputable airline.
You just know that someone somewhere has already started writing a book about the mystery.
Bad things just happen and no doubt not one of those passengers on board ever dreamed this would happen to them. Air travel is incredibly safe given the number of flights around the world everyday. It just comes down to your out look on life. I travel all over the world regularly on flights, you just can't think about these things as you will be a nervous wreck. Tomorrow I'll be taking two long haul flights back from Afghanistan to home in the UK, I will not think twice about it. I have been on a light aircraft that caught fire and a military helicopter that had to ditch in the middle of the night in the desert in Southern Afghanistan. I'll not think twice about getting on my flights tomorrow. If my number is up there's little I can do about it. Ps distasteful though the remark was about Muslim airlines it may help to point out that most of them are in the best and safest list of commercial airline companies including Emirates who are about the best in the world. British airways are rubbish!
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I heard on Radio 2 news today that the pilot's home is being searched and that it is suspected he might be involved. Has this now been ruled out?
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I heard on Radio 2 news today that the pilot's home is being searched and that it is suspected he might be involved. Has this now been ruled out?
No, they ruled them out to start with and that's what I know when I wrote that, but I've just watched the news and apparently the Pilot is now being re-investigated - a top US security agent said he thought 'there was something going on with the pilot' I've no idea what that means.
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I didn't hear it all but it was something to do with finding out he had an interest in something that could be relevant. Not a lot of help, I know.
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They are saying the pilot was very fascinated with politics and that only that morning he had gone to court to see a political leader (of which party I don't know) be put in prison. Apparently this upset him greatly. I don't think this would have been the reason behind what happened though, if it was the pilot, this sort of disappearance takes along time to plan I would have thought. What worries me (and its my mind in overdrive) that this was a dry run for something more sinister, so similar to others, I am watching the news all the time for updates. It is truly amazing though how such a massive plane can literally disappear, even if it had gone down in rainforest, you would think that it could be seen by satellite. I hope we find out what happened one day not too far away.
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Sometimes there's something in a story that connects with one very deeply. The reason isn't always evident.
I remember being very upset, for months possibly even years, by a story I saw on a TV reconstruction, where a woman had been abducted by a man who had hidden in her car and then forced her to drive herself and him to an out-of-the-way place. It wasn't what happened then that upset me so much, it was the part where she was being forced to drive at gunpoint - she had been driving as slowly as she dared, as erratically as she dared, with her hazard warning lights going, trying to alert some passer-by or other driver to her plight. There had been plenty of passers-by and other drivers - the story started in a supermarket carpark - but no-one, not one person, had so much as called the police. It still makes me feel hollow, empty and hopeless to think about that.
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I just keep hoping that it will all turn out OK in the end. And if it's not OK, it's not the end. :fc:
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I think its everytime I hear someone say "they will be using the plane for something else", it makes me cold. remembering 9/11 and the ripples, thinking of those poor people if they are still alive - children as well - what on earth must they be feeling. Yes, i would say i am affected by this, when I wake up in the morning I check my phone for news. My husband on the other hand, can put things into a little box in his head 'nothing has happened yet, it doesnt' affect us...' etc (although 9/11 troubled him terribly, as much as everyone else, unlike him to show emotion)
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I agree plums, it makes me wonder if it's not the plane that was wanted but all those people on it or whatever awful reason.
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Sometimes there's something in a story that connects with one very deeply. The reason isn't always evident.
I remember being very upset, for months possibly even years, by a story I saw on a TV reconstruction, where a woman had been abducted by a man who had hidden in her car and then forced her to drive herself and him to an out-of-the-way place. It wasn't what happened then that upset me so much, it was the part where she was being forced to drive at gunpoint - she had been driving as slowly as she dared, as erratically as she dared, with her hazard warning lights going, trying to alert some passer-by or other driver to her plight. There had been plenty of passers-by and other drivers - the story started in a supermarket carpark - but no-one, not one person, had so much as called the police. It still makes me feel hollow, empty and hopeless to think about that.
that's why I was pulled over by the coppers on the motorway at 1am coming back from down south. my fullbeam kept coming on on its own and had flashed a cop car by accident. they followed me for 5 miles before pulling me over to check I was ok. they thought I was in trouble.
(it was the sheep in the back I was worried about but they never mentioned him) :relief:
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:roflanim:
Good that they checked though.
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(it was the sheep in the back I was worried about but they never mentioned him) :relief:
:roflanim: Love it. And also love that they followed you and checked that you were ok :)
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OH recently did some work for an 'aviation lawyer' or some such thing, anyway he said they often carry top secret stuff on passenger liners, and it's been hijacked for that, reckoned the people would be OK - but I can't see them feed 200+ people for so long.
wonder what they'll make of this debris seen in the ocean? I've been told it will be shipping containers, so many are lost every year.
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Hijacked or taken over by terrorists with the threat of a 9/11 style attack. Shot down by US or other military. Massive cover up. Don't think for a minute that governments care a hoot about the passengers. That's where I'd be putting my 50p if the bookies were taking bets.
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Definaltey an Alien invasion there! Nothing else could take away such a large air craft! Like come on seriously! Not like you can hide in it your garage and have it re-sprayed! And the last words from the pilot and co-pilot was 'All right, good night' hmmm Mystery!!
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As someone else said what about tracking mobiles - they know exactly where they are at any time and guaranteed there were a large number on that plane albeit on Airplane mode - but apart from a catastrophic incident you can bet some of them had been switched back on. So where is MH370- I'd bet my house and pension somebody in the World knows exactly what has happened.
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I have to agree, someone knows the truth. Not that all those poor people going out of their minds with worry on their loved ones will be told. Life in todays world as little or no value.
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To answer the question of the OP; I'm not more concerned than for any hijacking.
I'm certainly not sold on the alien theory.
I would guess a hijack and dumped in the sea - if they went into the southern ocean first it would be hard to find, and there'd be no mobile reception that far from land (assuming they didn't take the mobiles off the passengers at the outset anyway); although one can only speculate as to why they would go there to ditch in the sea - possibly to get the kind of attention this has drawn?
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But there have been no claims from any faction - so what have they gained? Nothing.
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if it was done by an organised faction then I would have expected a claim by now, true - maybe it was just an individual (pilot?) who went off on one; fact is we don't have much to go on so it is all wild speculation.
it would be difficult to land/hide such an aircaft on land without witnesses, unless it was organised by a rogue state, which is why I suspect it has gone into the sea.
As to why? - even if/when we find out what happened, I'm not sure there will be any answer to that question that will make sense to a rational mind; well, unless it turns out to have been a bizzare accident - but i doubt that.
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I only listen to the radio and read a few news sites online , so have a limited picture of this 'event' .
It is very strange to say the least , in fact nothing about the whole thing adds up really .
I could believe that the plane didn't even exist to begin with , easier , than the charade that has been going on .
Decoy ? I dunno , but i know i don't believe the kack we have been told so far .
Keep your eyes peeled elswhere for the real event going on , smoke and mirrors .
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Veteran_pilots_theory_on_missing_plane_goes_viral.html#gmEZH0LOKg509Rb1.01 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Veteran_pilots_theory_on_missing_plane_goes_viral.html#gmEZH0LOKg509Rb1.01)
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Don't know how you found that, John, but it's the most credible explanation I've seen so far. Thank you.
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Sounds very feasible.
I used to work on aircraft test facilities, one type of which being fatigue testing of tyres and brakes. I once sent a note up to the pilot of a plane I'd been sat in while it taxied for over an hour on a hot day, telling him what I did for a living and that I was concerned the tyre on the nose wheel, now being very hot, would explode in the event of having to land quickly after take-off. They took us back to the airport to let things cool down for a while. :relief:
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the electrical fire theory is also the one I've heard, though from a completely different source. The question that remain in my mind is this; why would aliens light a fire in an aircraft? It makes no sense, but I guess you can't expect aliens to think like us.
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:roflanim:
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Don't know how you found that, John, but it's the most credible explanation I've seen so far. Thank you.
that is what i meant from the beginning, the Press and news teams, have a job to make every story a drama,
even now, this explanation has not been broadcast …. they love to scare people
I have had customers say, the plane is in Iran, and they where convinced…
reading the explanation from a Ex pilot, totally makes sense..i am not saying this is what happened, but of all the things the guy said, it would sound like a procedure …
i honestly think its going to be a sad ending though
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That's been debunked apparently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114)
So back to speculation again.
More debris seen on satellite by China - so the search continues. Poor, poor people. :'( :'( :'(
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It's the families I feel for. If the crew and passengers are dead, which seems likely, they are past feeing for but the ones who love them still don't know.