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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: tizaala on October 31, 2011, 04:24:35 pm
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Before you give this corrupt organisation a single penny , have a look at how they use your money,,,,,,Disgusting.
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But don't confuse them with the Scottish SPCA
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I stopped donating to the RSPCA some years ago when i found out how much they had in their bank accounts and in investment funds! They also just took one of my neighbours to court over her parents will, her mother had been bullied to leave her all to them and dr Gill contested the will and after a prolonged very expensive court case she won, it has cost the RSPCA thousands upon thousands to pursure this, i don't think donors want their money spent on lawyers, its supposed to help animals!!
Mandy :pig:
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I don't understand the poster and I wouldn't make a judgement based on that peice of information. There must be more to this story than that.
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i remember that case mandy :farmer:
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I don't understand the poster and I wouldn't make a judgement based on that peice of information. There must be more to this story than that.
it hit the headlines in all the papers, Rosemary - it was barbaric! Most of the dogs weren't aggressive either! I was told that the officers who were called there were told they were aggressive and went prepared to kill them. We had an incident with the RSPCA - a committee member neglected her 11 dogs and was rightly prosecuted but the RSPCA wouldn't hand the (specialist breeds) dogs over to be re-homed by the Breed Societies and as a result they went to people who didn't know how to cope with these breeds. I believe 5 of the 11 had to be re-homed again. I wouldn't give the RSPCA ONE penny!
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Do they have the right to destroy dogs - just go to someone's home and kill their dogs? Seems weird since folk on here who suffer dangerous and nuisance dogs don't seem to be able to get anything done about it.
I never see a paper so I wasn't aware of it - so these RSPCA employees went to someone's house and killed their ten dogs without a court order, simply on a report from a member of the public who said they were dangerous?
Surely not? They would be liable for some sort of prosecution themselves. The RSPCA aren't a law enforcing body.
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The RSPCA aren't a law enforcing body.
But they were a black uniform and behave like the police - no RSPCA (or for that matter SSPCA) officer has the right to enter your property WITHOUT a law enforcement officer present, not sure if they would need a warrant too. Lots of people don't know that.
Same goes for TV licensing bods too...
But I have stopped reading the papers a long time ago... (or donating to large charities).
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I've just 'googled' RSPCA ten dogs - came up with interesting statements under following address
http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/statement-rspca-expert-witness.html (http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/statement-rspca-expert-witness.html)
I know someone who rehomes dogs, she used to do a lot of fundraising for RSPCA, now does more for smaller animal charities. I think she realised how much the big bosses were being paid while she drove round in an old banger raising money for them.
I also know an RSPCA inspector, who dearly loves animals and seems to work all hours doing what she can to help people. We discussed a TV series and I commented the RSPCA weren't shown in a very good light, she agreed but said where the programme had made it look a short time from original visit to animals being taken away, it was actually about 10 months of trying to get the owner to look after his animals.
I'm not to impressed by the RSPCA, but there are some who try their best for the animals.
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This is a link to their accounts and report up to end of 2008
http://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232711337412&mode=prd (http://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232711337412&mode=prd)
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They are a huge organisation - they are a 'brand' and perhaps 'have' to run it that way to survive. ie big money - not badly as you suggest :)
Obviously its sad when any animal has to get put down :) - The rspca seem to be a bit like marmite, perhaps its because they are dealing with something close to peoples hearts.
I believe that an RSPCA officer has no right to enter your property - the only person who can authorise entry to property is a judge - or a senior officer who believes that certain specific crimes are taking place within the premisses at that time. (ie someone smoking a joint when they look through the window or a pile of stolen washing on the line etc etc) - Not even a bailiff cant enter a premises unless the court has authorised them.
I think donations would be better spent at a local level than the rspca - but I dont knock what the rspca do in the majority.
Baz
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The RSPCA apparantly now have more powers to seize animals, go on your property etc. I have had personal experience of this heavy handedness, and was shocked they seem to have money to burn on a wild goose chase,involving three vans, a vet and two police officers. I was made to feel like a criminal, questioned, made to sign their statement, and they wrote down everything I said. They fully intended removing my animals due to the visiting officer deciding my farm dogs had been abandoned. They then checked every single animal and hen on the farm. My dogs were paraded in front of their vet, who had to admit there was nothing wrong with them, and they were not abandoned. I was ill for weeks from the stress of what had happened, and shudder to think that they may have snatched my animals had I not come back from work.
I always gave to the RSPCA, but if that is how they are spending donations, they will get no more of my money, it now goes to an anmal sanctuary I visit regularly.
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I am afraid they will get no money from me, they took some fox cubs from us once when the mother was killed on the train line. we took them in and they promised us they would be humanely destroyed, i later found out they were in the process of rehabiltating them and releasing back into the wild.
I cant tell you how wild i was about that, i would have done the job myself if i known they were going to do that and i can only appologise to the farmers of Wales cause i think that's where they and some more they had were bound for.
I was with my first husband then and we were very green in those days and just didn't know what they were like.
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How strange that the fox cubs were going to be let free ...yet someone I know found a cat with kittens in her garden. Beng naive she rang the RSPCA- thinkng they look after animals. Yes, they would find them homes. She later found out from a friend who works at a vets, that the kittens were brought there that morning and destroyed.
There are animals in genuine need of help I know. But people near me, live in fear of the RSPCA coming and taking their animals. These are not cruelty cases, just people who have a lot of dogs, or cats.
One of my neighbours admitted she had reported my anmals, purely based on the fact "i have a lot and she thought I did not love them all". This lady has no livestock, and has no idea on what care an animal needs. For example she cut the wool off my pet sheeps face one day, as he was too hot. Thank God she has now moved house :) But look at the trouble she caused by her misplaced kindness!!!
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The RSPCA apparantly now have more powers to seize animals, go on your property etc.
Roxy, they are not a law-enforcing agency, they are a charitable organisation. They can only enter your property or inspect your animals in the presence of a police officer and a warrant. Animal cruelty is a crime after all. If they are suspicious that animals are treated cruelly they will have to get a warrant - it can be a lengthy process and they try and cut that short to save time & money!
I have this spring put down my elderly Shetland girl, she was 12 and very thin and usually had a bit of a dirty backend (no worms, just I guess being fed more or less entrely on concentrate as no teeth left), but otherwise bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and eating lots. She didn't lamb anymore, but was my only retired lady... but new (townie) incomers made me worry about the SSPCA and I felt it was safer to let her go.... there are quite a few of us who do not trust these animal charities.... People have similar problems with elderly ponies, and the SSCA is very heavyhanded about them.
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Anke, its so sad that those of us with elderley, thin, wobbly animals have to have them pts rather than let them live out their lives.
A friend dowloaded me some very interesting info on the RSPCA - and they did say them did need police and a warrant. They had no warrant when they came here - but they did say that they do take the police, because they do encounter some irate people not allowing them access. Wearing a uniform with a collar number, its understandable that people think they are law enforcers.
I still think some law was passed that did give them a big more weft than they had?
They seem to have a lot of money available looking at the new vans etc. they drive round in :)
Anyway, I will not be informing them of any so called cruelty cases, would rather go and give the owner an ear wagging my self if need be, that subject anyone to the horror I went through.
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They will get no money or support from me either, A number of years ago a sspca person had the nerve to enter my property to inspect my dogs on a complaint from a neighbour. I was not there at the time and would have not known anything about the visit had it not been for another neighbour telling me. I was not pleased and immediately phoned the local sspca man and asked him what he thought he was doing entering my property with no permition and leaving no notice that he had been there, He replied that he was acting on a complaint from a member of the public and that everything was OK with my dogs. I said that was good but it would have been nice of him to have arranged his visit with me and I would have been only to happy to let him see my dogs as I had nothing to hide. I said to him how would he like it if I came to his home and had a nosey about. A friend also had a similar thing happen to him not once but three times till it got through to the sspca man that the complaining party had a personal grudge against my friend. I like many have watched programs on the tele about these organisations and have not been impressed.
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I use to run with a commercial rabbit enterprise and as a paid up member of the national association I was invited to sit in on the comitee .
One rabbit farmer was " visited " by the zealots from hell .
They looked at all of his 1,000 or so plus herd and found three cases of early ear canker which is easily treatable for pennies .
The rabbit farmer had the stuff on hand to do it and it was part of his normal routine to check for it every week and treat in isolation cages when it was found .
The zealots demanded he sign over the whole herd which he did because the fear of god was placed on him .
Result RSPCA had no facility to handle or feed the herd so they put them all down at the farm and paid for the carcass removals .
I too have had run ins with them on my own livestock set up . I was not covered by any UK legislation for what i was doing so someone in the RSPCA decided on their own back that a different area of live stock regulation would apply to me , I told him to go away in short sharp jerky movements.
they turned up mob handed with a police man a week or so later .
They still did not gain access for I explained the situation to the copper who on reading the RSPCA's paper work said " no nothing in there allows you access " .
A few weeks after they turn up again with another policeman and a warrent for access because " Someone had reported me for inflicting cruelty on my animals and not looking after my stock " .
This time I readily let them in ..
You should have seen the look on their faces for the sheds were totally empty they'd been power washed out and sterilized .
It was all part of our planned closing down and moving homes exercise because of my increasing disability that had been in place for several months .
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My Hubby used to be a dairy farmer and he had a cow that went down and spread herself a thing that sometimes happens with cows. He called his farm vet and she was under his care unfortunately she developed an ulcer on her leg. He was reported by a " friend" for cruelty, (this cow is still under the vet) RSPCA and Trading Standards called out so hubby let them on farm he had nothing to hide.
This all ended with him nearly being prosecuted for cruelty and all this with the cow under the vet. It ended up with inspectors vet and Trading standards having a standup row in his yard with him watching on!!
The cow was shot and they all went away happy but mud sticks and he found people refered back to that cruelty case for a long while afterwards.
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just seen there latest advert wanting your money to help them with the greatest animal rescue ever
TO FEED AND PROVIDE FOR THESE ANIMALS THEY HAVE SAVED FROM CRUELTY :farmer:
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I think we both knpw the same inspector penninehillbilly, she is one of my dearest friends, i have known her work a 13 hour shift and then stay up til 2am with a dying guineapig (someone thought that it would be alright for several weeks without food or water) that she had rescued that night. She has no time for the 'fluffy bunny brigade' and bends over backwards to help people.
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I think we both knpw the same inspector penninehillbilly, she is one of my dearest friends, i have known her work a 13 hour shift and then stay up til 2am with a dying guineapig (someone thought that it would be alright for several weeks without food or water) that she had rescued that night. She has no time for the 'fluffy bunny brigade' and bends over backwards to help people.
She is to be commended but the organisation is the problem - it has become self generating and should be stopped.
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It used to be that the RSPCA was full of vets with knowledge & common sense but now it appears it is squeemies and veggies who do their damdest to stop people having animals as pets or for meat .
If only joe Public and his family knew a how it all stacks up they'd be out of business PDQ
Just do a google search on the heirachy and you'll see what I mean .
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It's true that the organisation will not employ enough vets these days. local vets will not back up inspectors for fear of losing business. by the time a court order is obtained, some animals cannot be saved